Post by: oneshotkill on February 01, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
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Post by: denali on February 01, 2011, 10:13:24 PM
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/ (http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistols/pmr-30/)
Post by: gadwall on February 01, 2011, 10:21:30 PM
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Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 01, 2011, 11:19:33 PM
The Buckmark is a great gun for something that has a non-steal slide. Something that has virtually no aftermarket options. But has a trigger that is usually superior to out of the box Rugers.
But, the Rugers have a great following of aftermarket options that will allow the heavy barrel models become a tool worthy of getting a competitive shooter to master class, (NRA Standard Pistol) with great reliability for a lot less than any european model of competitive target pistol. The Ruger is also made in America. I don't think you can say that for all of the Buckmarks.
I personally dont' like the Ruger MKIII's that are designed to be within the People's Socialist Republic of Kaliphornia rules for loaded chamber indicator and won't allow the trigger to pull unless there is a magazine installed.
My recommendation would be a Ruger MKII or a Buckmark. Both are good guns. (I shoot modified MKII's in competition)
-Steve
Post by: GEARHEAD on February 01, 2011, 11:47:58 PM
Post by: toothfangclaw on February 02, 2011, 01:41:36 AM
TFC/Matt
Post by: PolarBear on February 02, 2011, 01:47:26 AM
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Post by: GregMcFadden on February 02, 2011, 07:36:09 AM
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Post by: swanny on February 02, 2011, 07:51:34 AM
I bought a Buckmark last year after much debate because it really did just feel the best. I have loved it so far and had zero issues. No misfires and the thing is super accurate with a variety of ammo that I have used. It's fun, but if anything I would HIGHLY recommend getting more than one magazine for it, because those 10 shots can go super quick. :P
Post by: Blacklab on February 02, 2011, 07:58:10 AM
run yes they are ;)
Post by: oneshotkill on February 02, 2011, 08:16:17 AM
Post by: thinkingman on February 02, 2011, 09:39:19 AM
My brother has a Mark II and my best friend has a Buckmark so I have shot both. The Buckmark felt better to me. My dad is leaning towards the Mark II or III because it is the only 22 auto he has ever shot and liked it when he shot it.I have owned and shot a pre-Mark Ruger for almost 40 yrs.
My dad gave it to me and I'll never get rid of it.
I bought a longer barreled MkII and buffed the internals, added Volquartsen parts...It's a good shooter.
I bought a Buckmark Micro a couple yrs ago...basic, nothing special.
It has a better trigger than either Rugers and is just as accurate, and fits my hand better and a better grip angle (very similar to my other favorite, 1911).
Now the Rugers stay home and the Buckmark goes to the range with me every time.
Post by: h20hunter on February 02, 2011, 09:41:52 AM
Post by: FC on February 02, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
FC, If you're going to condem a Ruger MKII, please say why.
Count III's again :chuckle: , I have a MkIII 22/45 and out of the box it was the junkiest pistol I have ever tried to use! After I spent 8+ hours on it, the pistol runs flawlessly and has a pretty decent trigger too. I had to de-burr the inside of the receiver, all of the stamp points were pushing in against the bolt so that took quite a while to relieve it. I also had to polish the bolt, as the machining was very rough and it would hang up on the receiver after 100 rounds or so as the pockets and craters in the bolt would gather enough carbon and crud to start dragging. Polishing the bolt and receiver 100% fixed those problems and the gun will actually function without oil now.
Once the bolt would cycle reliably I only needed to get the pistol to reliably feed and extract shells and see if I could make the safety actually usable. I removed the LCI (loaded chamber indicator) as the forward edge of it's metal tab that protrudes into the rear of the chamber wouldn't slide over the rim of the case sometimes and prevent the pistol from returning to battery. The pistol would still fire as it was close enough to be able to trip the hammer but it wouldn't strike the primer with enough force for ignition usually but when it did it would result in a failure to extract.
Removal of the LCI 100% fixed the failure to return to battery and failure to extract problem.
I removed the magazine safety next as the pistol had a tendency to run the bullet into the base of the feed ramp where it would either split and jam the gun or it would sheer a piece of lead off while frequently bending the bullet a bit although it would generally chamber those they weren't my most accurate shots :P .
The cause of the failure to feed problem was the forward pressure of the magazine from the magazine safety mechanism itself, it caused the magazine to be constantly tilted in the magazine well, it also made it difficult to eject a magazine.
Removal of the magazine safety 100% fixed the failure to feed issues, the manual safety problems and magazines now drop free when you hit the eject button. The manual safety would previously bind and either not move fully to the on position or get stuck there, it now moves smoothly and easily with a nice positive click on the detent.
While I had the frame gutted I did some corrective surgery on the hammer and polished the sear to get a better trigger, huge difference. The MkII parts will fit if you would prefer though and you can go that route to defeat the magazine safety as you can't just remove it, you must make a shim for the side of the hammer or replace the hammer with a MkII type.
It just occurred to me that this info might be helpful to someone else Steve, if you want to sticky or otherwise save it feel free. My 22/45 is completely reliable now and very accurate but I would never buy another.
Post by: h20hunter on February 02, 2011, 10:55:28 AM
PS. Do you do any side work gunsmithing?
Post by: FC on February 02, 2011, 11:04:17 AM
FC...please don't post if you don't know what you are talking about. Jeez.
PS. Do you do any side work gunsmithing?
No I don't but I do work on all of my own stuff and some of my friend's guns too. Why, do you need something fixed? :chuckle:
Post by: GregMcFadden on February 02, 2011, 11:33:43 AM
-Greg
Post by: h20hunter on February 02, 2011, 11:36:35 AM
Post by: FC on February 02, 2011, 11:47:14 AM
FC, thanks for the writeup, I think I will have to get the ole dog out and try your changes on my mkIII...
-Greg
Good luck, take your time and take some pictures if you need to. The magazine safety is a real turd to put back in there if you were to change your mind or have a problem making a shim for the hammer but you can get a Volquartzen hammer for a MkII. The spring that wraps around the mag safety doesn't actuate anything else either so you can safely (and happily) remove it too without causing any malfunctions.
Post by: whitey on February 02, 2011, 12:11:19 PM
+1 for Browning..
Post by: singleshot12 on February 02, 2011, 01:17:13 PM
I want to trade the Sig in for the Kel Tec mag. though anyone know anything about them?
Post by: Kent Hunter on February 02, 2011, 09:43:54 PM
Post by: Coastal_native on February 02, 2011, 09:48:07 PM
Nobody liked the Walther P22? I'm no gun nut, but I think it's fun. That thing will shoot anything you put in it, and I'm always hittin within 5 ft of my target :chuckle: Plus, it looks really cool with the tactical look. It looks like a real mans gun, but smaller :chuckle:
I've probably exposed my ignorance of handguns...I'll shut up now.
Post by: CastleRocker on February 02, 2011, 10:14:26 PM
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