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Title: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: h20hunter on February 10, 2011, 01:54:25 PM
So, my plan this summer is to set my camera up in a nice little spot and haul in apples and a trophy rock. I figure I can do this every now and again and get some good pics and maybe hunt it this fall. This is on the wet side by the way. My question is this. I know the apples will draw 'em in quick. If I replenish the apples every now and then will the mineral sup be enough to begin getting bambi to frequent the area. I hope to get some good cam photos and do this for kicks. If I decide to hunt it in the fall it would just be somewhere I could hike to faily easily for a day hunt. Also, this is public land but sees very little to no use. What do you think?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: raekmike on February 10, 2011, 01:56:34 PM
Good post..  been thinking the same thing...
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: Special T on February 10, 2011, 01:58:00 PM
I tried what your talking about and it didn't work too good... I have heard from others what you need to do is use a apple flavored salt lick and that will keep them coming back... I couldn't keep apples on the ground... 15 gal were gone in 3 days!  :yike:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 10, 2011, 02:10:49 PM
As for timing, I've always been told--'the earlier you start, the better your chances'.  I have one spot i started last November and the apples go quickly, but they were there mainly as the attractor.  Then hopefully they will start to like the corn, food block, salt licks, etc.  Certain items should be placed on something that keeps it drier, such as salt/foodblocks placed on a board, so it doesn't soak up moisture from the ground. 
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: h20hunter on February 10, 2011, 02:14:08 PM
Yeah, I figure the apples would go fast but the combo with the salt/mineral/trophy/gel/cobb whatever else would help establish a pattern. Get them used to the area then if I decide to hunt it jack up the apples the week before and realy load it up. Then, if I decide to hunt it sneak and give it a go.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: 400out on February 10, 2011, 02:26:09 PM
Your on the right track but what you should know and this is kind of from experience and what others have reported on here is the deer will tear it up until antler growth is about done then they will almost forget about the mineral licks  :dunno: Don't know why but it just happens. Maybe tease them with the apples then when you see a change in the patterns start upping the apples! Another thing is the bears will get into the apples and the deer won't see any of them  ;) I had a sow and 2 cubs go threw around 250-300 pounds of feed I had for the deer and elk in about 1.5 days! Now let me tell you that get expensive :bash: Hope this helps and keep us informed of what you do  :hello:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: h20hunter on February 10, 2011, 02:30:10 PM
I have hunted the area and seen some bear sign but not down as low as I'm planning. Also, if the bears move in that means no hunting for me. I know there are deer in the area and figure it would be a kick just to give it a try. I can probably carry 30 pounds of apples in pretty easily, maybe even make two trips to really load it up. What about using a sled to haul a load in....hmmm.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: brew on February 10, 2011, 03:24:31 PM
be careful with the apples....dam bears are opportunistic and will go anywhere they smell food and have a steady supply of grub.  also skunks, racccoons, possums will eat any available food source.  Heck one of the biggest coyote's i've ever shot was laying in an old orchard eating gravenstine apples one fall afternoon.  Maybe try some alfalfa flakes....one guy i know who used to bait deer in the NE corner said he used them cuz the bears normally left them alone....just my  :twocents:  put a trail cam up to make sure....they're hella cheap now and save a lot of time deciding on which area to target for what you're after.....good luck !
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: h20hunter on February 10, 2011, 03:29:38 PM
Thats a good point about the alfalfa. I bet I can find a feed store that will have something. Gonna be a tough one to hike in a 50lb bag.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: CementFinisher on February 11, 2011, 12:21:43 PM
How far apart should feed be from a mineral lick station. I set mine about 150yards. first year trying this, damm blackies are ghost looking to better my odds.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: h20hunter on February 13, 2011, 02:30:49 PM
Okay, cam and bait station is set. I stopped into a farm and feed store and picked up a 25lb apple mineral lick. It was a Sweetlix brand. Also, I filled biggest pack with apples and hauled it all in. I'll tell you what, that 25 lb block in the bottom of the pack was not doing me any favors after the first mile. Ill have to take my GPS and see how far. I would say it's about a mile and half in. While at the feed store I also grabbed a little 1lb bag of apple horse treats. Figure I would throw them in the mix. I'll head back in a couple of weeks and freshen it up and change the card out. I'll let you all know how it goes.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 2/13
Post by: heartshot on February 13, 2011, 04:30:24 PM
looking forward to the report!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 2/13
Post by: h20hunter on February 14, 2011, 12:38:58 PM
So....I'm only 24 hours into my first trail cam soak and am ready to go check it. Thankfully, I have to work. I plan on weather permitting to carry in another load of apples this Sunday and swap cards. I would think any deer in the area would find a nice fresh pile of apples pretty quickly. How far do you think they will be drawn in from? I did smash up a few to get the scent dispersed.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 2/20
Post by: h20hunter on February 20, 2011, 02:19:37 PM
Well, a one week soak and nothing yet. I don't expect much but know it is only a matter of time before the deer find my sweet goodness I have left them. I humped in another 42 pounds on my back and a few extra pounds on my two buddies. The pile has been added to and now with 60 lbs or so of apples, some horse treats, a few pounds of pears, and a 25 lb mineral block and I can wait a couple of weeks before returning. I took my GPS this time and it is only 1.4 miles behind the gate. Not to bad. Here is a pic of me at my pile.


Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 2/20
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 20, 2011, 02:40:34 PM
Just looking at the pic, was wondering what it looks like in the other direction, if you look at other Trail-cam pictures you will see that if you set them up out in the open like that, most of your pics will be in the dark.
better to be 10-15 feet off a trail, 30-40 yards INSIDE cover.
Most animals dont like to be exposed like that.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 2/20
Post by: h20hunter on February 20, 2011, 02:58:20 PM
The other side is a long ago out of use logging track. There are two little 1 foot wide trickles and heavy brush on both sides. I have seen deer track along the edges and know that they use the old path to travel between areas. There is a small clearcut about 200 yards further and then only thick brush. I figure that since there are not tons of deer in the area it will just take them a bit to find the stuff. There is no foot traffic that far back that I know of. I have only seen deer/bear sign, no boot tracks, no dog prints. I'll give it some time and then can always relocate. For now, I have a place near work that will sell me apples cheap, like 40 to 45 cents a pound. So, I can hike some in and see how it goes. So far I think I have plenty to bring them in.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 2/20
Post by: blacktailcrzy on February 23, 2011, 06:29:17 PM
great thread keep updating us thanks
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 03/07/11
Post by: h20hunter on March 07, 2011, 09:14:01 AM
So, back out the the apple pile this Sunday morning. I'll tell ya that hoofing 43lbs of apples with 3 or 4 inches of old wet sloppy snow blows. Oh well. The good news is that I've got a pile going with about 100 lbs of apples. The bad news is that I haven't gotten a single nibble. Now, I know there are deer around, just not a ton. I figure the deer #1 haven't found them, #2 are not moving a bunch because it's cold and they are staying where they have food already and are safe and #3 Its only a matter of time. Am I crazy for wanting to stick with it on this one site. I really like the location and think that when spring finally gets here and then into summer it will be getting hit hard. Another good thing is with all this cold weather the apples are staying nice and fresh.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 03/07/11
Post by: Special T on March 07, 2011, 09:54:48 AM
Deer do not like the sent of humnas even on apples. I once had apples laying out, and the deer seemed leary of them. So i took one and thew it at them, all does. after being startled they gre curious, then started eating them. other piles i have set up were only hit after the rain had killed off my scent.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 03/07/11
Post by: h20hunter on March 07, 2011, 10:11:23 AM
I think it will just take some time and spring to arrive. Every trip out to dump apples makes me want to keep on adding and eventually shoot a deer there.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: h20hunter on April 02, 2011, 05:07:39 PM
So, back out to the bait site. Nothing. Nothing at all. However, I can now say I have about 100 lbs of apples at this one spot. I'm gonna let it sit for a month and then check back and see if I have any action/sign..anything at all. The good news is that I have a 2nd spot going. Now, last week I went back out to check and had a nice little block, one of the small ones, and about 42 lbs of apples. It was a nice pretty day and I enjoyed just being out. Today however, rain, hail, and bitchy old lady walker with a dog that gave me the stink eye. I load up the pack thinking it will be a repeat of last time. Nope, all my apples are gone and the brush looks a bit more worn. Also, my little brick is just about chewed into nothing. I dumped my apples and heading back out. Luckily I picked up my trail cam from site number one. Back into town, fresh batteries, another small block, some corn, and one of those corn and whatever else blocks. I know it will probably fall apart in the rain but I don't care. Figure if I'm gonna walk my butt back out there I'm taking something else tasty. Back in the truck, back to the gate, back down the trail, back up the hill, through the brush, dump it all out and get the camera set up. I'll give it another week or two and then go back.

So, what ate my block?

Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: JimmyHoffa on April 02, 2011, 05:58:59 PM
Good luck.  It's cool to see that the critters are eating your treats.  Do you look for mineral content of your treats?  I know a lot of blocks list crude protein and such, but I don't remember seeing much in the way of mineral content listed.  I like to take them the salt licks with all the other minerals mixed in before and during antler growing season.  They are about a pound each and cost a dollar at my local feed store.  They are easy to carry with the apples.  I'll cut an apple and rub it all over the mineral block and then cut small pieces and lay them on it.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: h20hunter on April 02, 2011, 06:07:40 PM
The blocks have the standard variety of minerals and such. I'll be curious to see what is doing the damage to the apples. 42 lbs in a week is pretty good I think. Overall I covered right at 6 and a half miles today. I'm on my second medicinal (sp?) whiskey and the knees are feeling a bit better.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: zackmioli on April 02, 2011, 06:51:52 PM
looking forward to see all your work pay off with some awesome pictures!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: h20hunter on April 02, 2011, 06:56:52 PM
Yes, pictures are cool, horn porn and all. The payoff will be a double lung'r with a 100 grain 3 blade!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 02, 2011, 11:18:42 PM
Just a suggestion,....when you put mineral blocks or other attractants down, scrape all the needles, leaves etc. until you have bare earth about 3 feet diameter.
 :twocents:
A lot of what you are seeing is the rain washing the minerals into the earth.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: h20hunter on April 03, 2011, 08:49:34 AM
Good point. Next time out I'll do a little manscaping and clear the ground a bit. I didn't think rain would wash a block away like that but I suppose it can after looking at it. However, rain sure didn't wash my apples away!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 03, 2011, 08:52:07 AM
Some wear would be from the animals licking, they will lick grooves into the blocks, but the rough texture is from rain.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: h20hunter on April 03, 2011, 08:58:59 AM
Maybe next time I'll build a little rock "hut" to cover the block. That would protect it from the main rain and still allow the animals to get to it.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 03, 2011, 09:12:40 AM
Actually, you want the minerals to soak into the ground, they will eat the dirt.
I have seen areas where there is a hole in the ground over 6 inches deep by 2 feet wide, and the earth cleared out over 6 feet in all directions, but these are in Eastern Wa.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: h20hunter on April 03, 2011, 09:20:10 AM
Aha, thanks. That will work fine then if the rain keeps killing my block. There is a little hump in the ground that is about a foot taller than the surrounding ground. I've put the block on top and the apples go just wherever. This is my first time with a camera out so I'm getting a kick out of the "what is it" since I don't have pics yet.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: PolarBear on April 03, 2011, 09:20:46 AM
Maybe next time I'll build a little rock "hut" to cover the block. That would protect it from the main rain and still allow the animals to get to it.
Place the block at the base of a big fir or cedar tree under the boughs.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 03, 2011, 09:21:41 AM
I can't wait to see some pics off the bait sights.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: h20hunter on April 03, 2011, 09:29:38 AM
D-Rock: Get out of the casino and come on a walk and I'll show it to you.

Regarding the base of a tree. Not really an option at the site.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/02/11
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on April 03, 2011, 09:41:26 AM
I don't think that will happen. If I recall from older posts he is completely against baiting. :dunno:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 09, 2011, 11:05:39 AM
Well, looks like I have new friend. A doe and her two fawns. They love them some apples. Looks like between the three they ate all 42 lbs or so. Date and time are not correct on the pics. Went back out this morning and dumped a 50lb bag of sweet COB. Yeah for me.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 09, 2011, 11:07:01 AM
more
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 09, 2011, 11:14:15 AM
In the snow.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 09, 2011, 11:16:12 AM
Okay, A few more.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 09, 2011, 11:40:00 AM
Good pics, interesting thread. Keep it coming!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 10, 2011, 08:30:20 AM
I have been there.  How do you find good spots like that :dunno:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 10, 2011, 05:20:05 PM
yeah a friend of mine was using apples in the early season around winthrop and the wardens wanted to bust him for bear baiting  .. So i suggest do not shoot a bear if it comes to your deer bait ....
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 11, 2011, 06:17:59 AM
If I get a bear on apples I won't even be in the area with a bow or rifle. Just not going to take a chance on who is more believable. The guys with the apples or the guy with the badge.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 11, 2011, 07:24:20 AM
If I get a bear on apples I won't even be in the area with a bow or rifle. Just not going to take a chance on who is more believable. The guys with the apples or the guy with the badge.

Ain't that the truth!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: ORCA_SIX on April 11, 2011, 08:18:12 AM
You should put a sign up. " :hello: NO BEARS ALLOWED". That should work.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 11, 2011, 09:50:14 AM
TmI to m :bash:uch information  :bash:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 11, 2011, 09:57:36 AM
Offensive thoughts removed.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: D-Rock425 on April 11, 2011, 10:11:14 AM
It was ok I didn't care
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 11, 2011, 10:14:49 AM
You think 50lbs of wet cob and a 20lb pressed block with last a couple weeks?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: ORCA_SIX on April 11, 2011, 10:19:07 AM
Are you tracking your total cost on food and gas for your bait station? How many hours in the field? How often you are having to refill?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 11, 2011, 10:42:06 AM
Nah, I figure 30 or so miles walked so far, hours....?, cash, oh, probably about 150$ so far. However, I'm having a lot more fun than sucking down beers or sitting on the couch. I am also learning new areas and just enjoying myself. However, I'll still be having a nice beer and couch surfing a bit.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: ORCA_SIX on April 11, 2011, 11:06:31 AM
That's cool. At least you are getting out. I always wondered what people put in for time and cost.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 11, 2011, 11:31:35 AM
Nah, I figure 30 or so miles walked so far, hours....?, cash, oh, probably about 150$ so far. However, I'm having a lot more fun than sucking down beers or sitting on the couch. I am also learning new areas and just enjoying myself. However, I'll still be having a nice beer and couch surfing a bit.

A nice beer? Like only one?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 04/09/11 PICS!
Post by: h20hunter on April 25, 2011, 10:17:12 AM
Quick update for you all.

So, back out this weekend. Here is what I learned.

1. my legs are getting in shape because a 50lb bag of cob on my back is pretty easy.
2. my kids wagon will indeed hold two boxes of apples and another 50lb bag of cob.
3. my kids wagon is not meant for that purpose.
4. bears are loud in the thick brush.
5. skip the wagon next time and make a few trips if I'm that motivated.
6. trail cam bateries only last a month or so.
7. dead trail cam batteries fall out of bottom of kids wagon.

So, this weekend I'll be going on a battery easter egg hunt. Fun.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/25/11 Some humor at my expense.
Post by: seansfire on April 28, 2011, 03:12:18 PM
just wondering how much the bait blocks cost each and how big they are and which stores carry them? i found a block that looked like hard molasses with corn and grain in it but didnt look at the price. looked alot like the block in your pic.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/25/11 Some humor at my expense.
Post by: h20hunter on April 28, 2011, 03:53:45 PM
One of the blocks was about 20lb, cost was like 12$ or something. I picked it up at the feed store. Deer seemed to like chewing on it. I'll be heading out this Sat to change the cam to video and find my 8 AA batteries.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2011, 08:46:21 AM
So, for those of you following here is what I learned this morning. Batteries are indeed not to hard to find. I managed to find 5 of the 8 that I dropped somewhere. Maybe somebody found a few over the week. I know at least one person rides horses so maybe they picked them up. Either way, first time out, finding 5 out of 8 isn't to bad. I'll be keeping my eyes out when I head back in a few weeks. No new bear sign in the area which is good. Plenty of action on my apples and cob pile. The cam has 260 pic on it but the 2nd memory card does not appear to be reading in the cam. So, I left it in and switched it over to video mode. I set if for 10 sec record with a 30 second break in between. I'll give it two weeks and then go switch the card out. I tell you, since I'm still on the learning curve here it was tough to leave the card in and not bring it home. I was looking forward to some bacon, eggs, cofee, and new deer pics! However, my will was strong and I let it be. So, stay tuned. Next time out I should have some good video and plenty of pics to sort through. Maybe a YouTube slide show with some video I think.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 30, 2011, 11:03:54 AM
How many miles is your cam from where you live? I am starting up 2 cam/mineral sites of my own around the 15th of May. You have a very interesting thread going and im excited to see the new pics also. Your helping me shorten my learning curve as this will be the first time I have my cameras up feeding deer versus just on a well used trail.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: DoubleJ on April 30, 2011, 11:11:49 AM
I just set my first bait pile yesterday.  I only had 10lbs of apples so I cut them in half and spread them around.  I had a 1gl jug of acorn buck juice that I poured all over the 3 rotting stumps in that area.  I set up 2 PVC feeding tubes filled with oats.  I pour a pile of cob at the base of each one and mixed it in with the oats.  I want them eating oats more than cob for 2 reasons. 

1.  it's got more protein than cob.  I've read that from Feb-Aug, protein is what they need for nursing fawns and antler growth. 

2.  I have 400lbs of oats.

I also have 3 apple flavored salt licks from walmart and one 50lb mineral block from the feed store in the area.  Trail cam is set.  I was out shooting my new pistol today and decided to check the cam, just because.  12 pictures, no animals.  Branches must have set it off.  I hiked the mile and a half back out of the woods and, when I got back to the truck, I realized I forgot to turn the camera back on.  :bash:   I'll go back in a few days and turn the thing on.  I want to try and keep the scent out of there.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2011, 01:51:34 PM
Glad to help people with their own learning curve. The site is about 30 min from home. The hike is about a mile behind the gate. I also thought about cutting my apples but figure if I don't they will stay fresh longer as the days get warm. From my first month of activity I have found that deer don't eat part of an apple and walk away. Nor do they leave bit and pieces. They seem to eat carefully and not waste a bit of the apple. I also buried some of the apples beneath the cob. I'll have to see the pics and video later to know. There is no vehicle access so everything goes in on my back. Not trying the wagon thing again. I'll be interested to see how your stump licks go. I've got three stumps that would make a good mineral soak. I'm thinking of getting some bulk salt and that deer cane crap and getting at least one stump good and soaked. Hmm. I will say that putting 50lbs of wet cob on your back is more comfortable than the apples. This morning I had one stinking apple right in my kidney that I could not get shifted. Since I was set on covering ground I just dealt with it and got the job done.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2011, 01:57:22 PM
One more thing....about scent. I have been sitting, walking, clipping my nails, and just carring on in general at my site. I pee where I want and wear my everyday boots and take no scent precaution. Why.....well, I figure if it smells like me all the time then the scent will not be different. Different is alarming. Same 'ol is not. Last time I check the cam they were at the site hours after I left. If "me", meaning my scent, is just another normal smell for them they won't pay the least of attention when I'm in a blind with a bow drawn. You may think I'm crazy but I've seen this first hand. I've sat 12 feet from a 4 pt. mulie while it fed on apples. Oh, yeah, by the way, I was fully exposed with no gloves or facemask. I had camo on but just held still. My scent was just part of the everyday smell they were used to. However, can't hurt to keep the scent to a minimum. We'll know soon enough I suppose.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: DoubleJ on April 30, 2011, 04:46:04 PM
I used a wheelboro to get all of the stuff in.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 30, 2011, 07:29:47 PM
What do you mean by "cob"? I realize its corn but is it just cracked corn or is it actual dried cobs?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: bobcat on April 30, 2011, 07:44:48 PM
C.O.B. =  Corn Oats Barley
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 30, 2011, 08:43:30 PM
CRAZY ..... Cant believe a bear has not found them yet ..
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 30, 2011, 08:48:23 PM
C.O.B. =  Corn Oats Barley

Is that what that stands for I always thought it was

C:raby
O:ld
B:it#@

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: HornHoarder on April 30, 2011, 09:18:38 PM
One more thing....about scent. I have been sitting, walking, clipping my nails, and just carring on in general at my site. I pee where I want and wear my everyday boots and take no scent precaution. Why.....well, I figure if it smells like me all the time then the scent will not be different. Different is alarming. Same 'ol is not. Last time I check the cam they were at the site hours after I left. If "me", meaning my scent, is just another normal smell for them they won't pay the least of attention when I'm in a blind with a bow drawn. You may think I'm crazy but I've seen this first hand. I've sat 12 feet from a 4 pt. mulie while it fed on apples. Oh, yeah, by the way, I was fully exposed with no gloves or facemask. I had camo on but just held still. My scent was just part of the everyday smell they were used to. However, can't hurt to keep the scent to a minimum. We'll know soon enough I suppose.


That is the same scent control program I use around my farm. I call it conditioning them to human scent. I know it sounds crazy, but it works for me. I wear my dirty work clothes, pee near feeding sites, smoke. The bucks still come in. Of course I start this pattern months before the hunting season. I believe they get used to it.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 04/30 More Success
Post by: h20hunter on April 30, 2011, 09:53:49 PM
Crazy old.....thats funny. The cob I'm using is wet...so sweetened with molasses. I'm with you on the bears not finding it. I know there is bear in the area. Hell, I've heard him/her and seen it's scat. However, until they find it I'm counting my blessings. Good to hear there is somebody else that believes that scent "conditioning" works for them.

Well, the fights were decent tonight. The one dude with the huge lump on his head was nasty. I kept wanting him to get that baby cut open.

Next weekend....halibut.

See yah.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: h20hunter on May 07, 2011, 04:10:04 PM
Good day all. Here is an update. I headed in today and found another battery. Now, I've found 7 for 8, not bad. I actually may be ahead of the deer. I have the same doe with her yearling. Now however, she only has one with her. Maybe she kicked one to the curb?? No new bear sign in the area. They seem to be eating the cob from all the pics and vid clips I have. From my video they were there this morning a couple hours before I went in. Also, I found an apple sitting literally on top of my trail cam. What the hell? Figured that out when I found the pics and vids of the crows picking an apple up and sitting on top of my cam. Also, for some reason my cam will only accept a 2.0 gig scan disk memory card. If anyone has an extra I'd be happy to exhange it for a couple I have of different brands. Weird.

So, onto the pics. Take a look and tell me what you think is going on with the hair on these critters.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: h20hunter on May 07, 2011, 04:13:26 PM
Few more.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 04:23:42 PM
That one deer looks like it's got hair loss disease.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: h20hunter on May 07, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
Here is a bit more if you have the time. Speakers on.


Blacktail Bait Cam, 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhuGFsu20GU#)
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: DoubleJ on May 07, 2011, 06:59:13 PM
Made it through the winter though so, it should be fine going forward, correct?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: h20hunter on May 07, 2011, 07:25:56 PM
Are you talking about the ragged looking little one? I'm not sure what is going on there. I think I've got pics/vids of a couple groups.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: DoubleJ on May 07, 2011, 07:42:33 PM
They are yearlings with hair loss.  It is caused by a louse.  It is my understanding that almost all blacktail fawns get it and after about a year, they become immune to their effects and it does not return.  They are very vunerable their first winter though.  If the winter is harsh, the fawns could die because their hair isn't as thick as it's supposed to be.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 07:48:06 PM
I guess they're calling it "Hair Loss Syndrome" now (not disease). Some info from the WDFW site:

Deer "Hair Loss Syndrome" Fact Sheet
April 2010
 

 
“Hair Loss Syndrome” caused by exotic lice
“Hair loss syndrome”(HLS) of black-tailed deer was first  described in western Washington in 1995. The condition is caused by a heavy  infestation with a Eurasian louse of poorly defined taxonomic status in the  genus Damalinia (Cervicola) sp.  The normal hosts of this louse are  European and Asian deer and antelope, which are not seriously affected by the  lice.
 In contrast, when black-tailed deer become infested, they  tend to develop a hypersensitivity (severe allergic) reaction to the lice,  which causes irritation of the skin and excessive grooming by the deer.  Eventually, this excessive grooming leads to loss of the guard hairs, leaving  yellow or white patches along the sides (Figures 1 and 2). Infestations are  heaviest during late winter and early spring, and many affected deer,  especially fawns, die during this time. The geographical distribution of HLS  has steadily expanded since its first appearance and now affects black-tailed deer throughout their range in western Washington and western Oregon. This species  of lice has been found on elk in Washington, but does not result in the severe  hair loss seen in deer. To date, the presence of this louse has not been  documented in mule deer or white-tailed deer in Washington east of the Cascade  Range.
 Beginning in 2003, WDFW began to receive reports of deer  from the Yakima area of south-central Washington with clinical signs similar to  HLS. These reports were of deer occurring in the black-tailed/mule deer  intergrade zone in the eastern foothills of Cascade Range, and were the first  reports of apparent HLS in eastern Washington. Reports of more severely  affected deer were received in 2004. In March 2005, lice were collected from four affected deer and identified as Bovicola tibialis, yet another exotic  old world species with fallow deer as the normal host.
 During the early spring  of 2006, WDFW received numerous reports of dead deer, especially fawns, in the Yakima area with hair loss. The geographical extent of reports received in 2006  had expanded greatly compared to previous years and included occurrences of the  condition in mule deer. Aerial surveys and harvest statistics suggest that  the deer population in Yakima and Kittitas counties has declined by about  50% since the arrival of the lice.  It is unknown if Bovicola tibialis infestations are  the sole reason for the drop in deer numbers, but they are suspected  to be a factor.
Bovicola  tibialis is also associated with hair loss  in deer in Klickitat County. In Chelan County, the occurrence of Bovicola tibialis was documented in  2009, and by April 2010, deer affected by hair loss were observed  throughout the county's mule deer winter range.   
 Neither species of the exotic lice described above affect  humans or domestic animals.
 In captive settings, deer have been successfully cleared of  lice infestations with the use of medication. However, in free-ranging  situations, there is no practical method for delivering effective doses of  medication to large populations of wild deer.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-07, Fresh pics
Post by: oldleclercrd on May 08, 2011, 07:29:31 AM
Very interesting! My buddy shot a turkey this year and it was covered in lice. Pretty disgusting!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-14, Some tips added
Post by: h20hunter on May 14, 2011, 09:25:34 AM
Good morning web surfers. So, this morning I had to run out and put my cam back out. I have learned that the damn thing will only read a 2g Scandisk card. Not a 4g, not a Kodak, only one card exactly. So, I have an extra on order and went back out to put it up. I took in another pack of apples and some more cracked corn. Here is what I learned this morning. First, there is at least one buck in the area. He, with his 4 inch fuzzy nubs were crossing a field down and around the ridge from where my cam is. Good thing to know. I saw no new bear sign which is good. I also found a half an apple left. If you look at the last clip in the vid posted you will see there are quite a few left as of last week. Well, one week later picked over hard. Also, here is a tip for beginners like me. I buried some of the apples beneth the cob and cracked corn. I hoped the deer would figure this out pretty quick and hang around longer digging in the cob/corn for sweet tasty apples. Well, it worked pretty well. They dug in and found the nuggets. Hopefully, this encouraged them to eat some of the oats and corn along the way. Some of the trails in and out of the area are a bit more pronounced so I am getting a good idea of where I will be setting up.

So, cam is out, fresh apples down and a bit of cracked corn. Cover the apples with other stuff and they will stay longer and dig for it. Also, I know they are eating the cob and corn because it is disappearing faster than the birds can eat it. I'm going to let it soak for a few weeks and see how many pics I get when the apples are all eaten. My guess is that I will have half the pics by number with only cob/cracked corn/mineral blocks as when I have fresh apples out.

We'll see!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-14, Some tips added
Post by: h20hunter on May 14, 2011, 09:32:28 AM
Oh yeah, one more thing for beginners like me. As I was enjoying the view I realised I did one very basic thing right from the beginning. My cam faces away from the sun regardless of time of day. In the evening the sun drops behind a ridge so I never have direct sunlight into the lens. I think this helps get clearer pics.

Anybody wants to chime in on blind timing please do. My plan is to set up a small one man pop up in a corner. The brush is thick and I can trim a bit and place a few feet back in. This will give me a 20 yard shot or so and give me a quartering away or broadside shot. How soon should I put my blind in? Will they get used to it pretty quick? Should I even use a pop up or simply brush it up and rely on my camo, scent control, and minimal movement?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-14, Some tips added
Post by: AKBowman on May 17, 2011, 07:35:49 PM
If I have the time prior to the season I like to build natural blinds I feel like I can hear what is coming and see a bit better. Its nice to be in a blind to get out of the elements though. A one man pop up is really small especially if you are shooting a bow, I sat in some at the Lacey's Cabelas b/c I was thinking of getting one for the exact same reason but it was really to small to shoot my bow in, the animal would have to be in one spot and one spot only.

Which season are you thinking about hunting? Early or late archery? Are there any trees around to hang a stand?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-14, Some tips added
Post by: h20hunter on May 17, 2011, 07:43:55 PM
I'm planning on hunting the general season in Sept. The area is any deer so my odds are good. I know there are some bucks in the area and will be looking for my first blacktail and my first buck all in one. I like the natural blind area and could have the pop up if the elements make it tough.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-14, Some tips added
Post by: AKBowman on May 17, 2011, 09:07:21 PM
Yeah the first part of the early season would be a better choice for trying to kill a BT buck. As I'm sure you already know the late season can be hit or miss. If you can keep the does coming in to the feed you will surely get bucks coming in during the late season, just a matter of timing with getting a hot doe.

Maybe using estrus would help to keep a buck around during late season.

The later it gets in the early season I would look at putting your blind deeper into the timber/cover on entry trails a buck might be using. Look for the inobscure trails generally down wind of the main trails, these are the trails the BT bucks will be using until rut hits. Once they rub the velvet clean they are REALLY GENERALLY nocturnal and hard to kill until they get into the rut, prior to rubbing they will use the clear cuts during daylight hours.

PS- I have yet to kill a decent BT buck with my bow  :)
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-14, Some tips added
Post by: h20hunter on May 17, 2011, 09:57:46 PM
I'm hoping you are correct about the ladies drawing them in. Right now my time stamps show around the clock visits. The spot I plan on hiding in is thick thick thick. I can cut a shooting "hole" or two and be well hidden. Hell, I'll take any buck as a first! Worst case I take a fat ol doe for meat and can say I've killed all three doe in Wa., whitetail, muley, then blacktail. I'm just having fun doing the cam thing, learning the area, and getting out. If and when I put the smack down it will be a nice touch and a bonus for the work I've put in. Also, thanks for the advice on placement and the tip about secondary trails, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-21, New pics for you
Post by: h20hunter on May 21, 2011, 10:01:21 AM
So, I went out this morning really just to make sure my sd card would work. I didn't expect a whole lot. Last weekend I went out and put out one load of apples. This morning I only took cracked corn and cob. Well, lots of action over the week. I call this update the Northwest Trailcam Trifecta.

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-21, New pics for you
Post by: h20hunter on May 21, 2011, 10:02:53 AM
A few more.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-21, New pics for you
Post by: h20hunter on May 21, 2011, 10:05:07 AM
I'm going to cool it with the apples for a bit. I want to see what kind of action I get on just salt, minerals, cracked corn, and cob. However, if Mr. Yote keeps showing up I'll put some apples out and sit up on the ridge with the 'ol AR. No more Mr. Coyote. The bear is cool. Since he was there only a day and a half ago I could still smell him. Hope he moves on.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-21, New pics for you
Post by: iRem on May 21, 2011, 11:05:50 AM
Oh Cool more pics,  I need to take out some salt to supplement the wet cob and block.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-21, New pics for you
Post by: h20hunter on May 21, 2011, 05:46:24 PM
couple more
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-21, New pics for you
Post by: oldleclercrd on May 21, 2011, 05:57:19 PM
Apple flavored backstrap!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-21, New pics for you
Post by: bowsandhose on May 21, 2011, 06:40:47 PM
cool
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-21, New pics for you
Post by: h20hunter on May 21, 2011, 07:08:56 PM
Apple flavored is the best. I'll be curious to see it over the next few weeks. I've got it set over to video mode with 30 second captures. If Mr. Coyote wont leave it alone he is going to be in for a 55 grain surprise.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2011, 01:30:56 PM
So I can't stay away from the cam. I just have to know what is there on an ongoing basis. Good thing I went out because something kicked the hell out of my cam. The only thing I had on it was a quick blur, then ground. Good news is only the strap was broke and the chipmunks on the ground seemed determined to use up battery life by making sure the cam got tons of video of them. I didn't see the culprit but when you see the poo I don't think you will have any doubts about what has been feating on cob. Another thing about cob, when it gets wet, being grain, I think it doesn't take to long to ferment. Not only am I going to have apple flavored deer but since they all should be drunk it should be a slam dunk. I did get some deer action but nothing really new. I cut some bushes and worked on my shooting area a little bit. Chopped some blackberries and did a little game trail maintence.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2011, 01:31:38 PM
And this pile of recycled cob.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: h20hunter on May 29, 2011, 01:32:15 PM
One more, recycled apple.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: oldleclercrd on May 29, 2011, 11:06:45 PM
Looks like its time for some predetor hunting!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2011, 06:35:20 AM
Yes it is. I plan to give it a another week or so and then after my hike in to just sit up on a hill a bit off the pile and wait for the yote. I'm sure he is still around. Even if no apples there are plenty of birds and chipmunks that have made the bait pile home.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: Tom Reichner on May 30, 2011, 10:49:10 AM
I can probably carry 30 pounds of apples in pretty easily, maybe even make two trips to really load it up. What about using a sled to haul a load in....hmmm.

30 pounds is good if you can replenish the area with another 30 pounds every other day.  100 pounds a week is minimal if you want to keep deer using the area on a consistent basis.  If you bring 30 pounds in every other day for a month, you should establish some consistent deer use, provided no bears are in the area.

100 pounds twice a week would be much better.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: h20hunter on May 30, 2011, 11:51:54 AM
Yeah, that would be better but with no orchards close like in Omak I'm having to settle for 80 or so pounds every other week on average. I've got deer coming in for the cracked corn and cob when the apples are depleted. Before I hunt I plan to load it up. So far so good though.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: blacktailcrzy on May 30, 2011, 08:00:21 PM
where can i get apples like you guy and not have them brake the bank?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: h20hunter on May 31, 2011, 07:17:24 AM
Blacktail crazy:

I have a market close to where I work. They quality is probably a step down from your local grocer and the market is...shall we say...a bit lower key. I buy them by the case a few here and there and pay cash. For example, the grocer at my local store will sell me a case on sale for 89 cents a pound, so about $37. A case runs anywhere from 40 to 45 lbs. I can get my local market guy to go as low as $21.50 a case.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: blacktailcrzy on June 01, 2011, 05:56:00 PM
ok are you paying less because the market has taken them off the shelf for sale or just because they do have as much over head as the big box stores
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 05-29, The Poo tells all!
Post by: h20hunter on June 02, 2011, 07:19:56 AM
I think I'm paying less for a few reasons. One, cash and the ethnicity of the maket owner lends to a more agreeable outcome when dickering over price. I also think that these are a step down in "grade" from your typical Safeway type grocery store. The overhead of the market has to be much less than a box store. Picking up two cases tomorrow and heading out to the site this weekend to do some watching  for the apple stealing coyote.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-6, Crappy Weekend Update
Post by: h20hunter on June 06, 2011, 07:19:59 AM
Just when you think you have your bait site all figured out things change up. So, after the bear knocked the cam down I brainstormed and figured a better way to mount it. I basically nailed a small round to the stump it was sitting on. The job went well and I was jazzed. I made a couple of trips in and dumped a good amount of feed. That was last weekend. This weekend was nice so off I go to further explore, add food, trim brush, maybe shoot a coyote, and generally screw around in the wood. I get out and cam is set and nicely not messed with. Hmmm, lots of bear poo I didn't notice last time. Hmmm, two cases of apples gone in a week...hmmm. I'm still excitied because I like pics of bears but would still prefer pics of deer. This is a ongoing thread in Deer is it not. So....I check the cam. NOTHING! Only one fuzzy ear.  Cam was two high and tilted. Only trees and one bird. Adjust cam, sit on hill, watch, not coyote, head home.

Not to be outdone and with one more case of apples I head back out yesterday morning. I get about about 2/3 thew way there, take care of some business, and begin to make my way. That is when I hear the tell tale rustling in the brush. Hmmm, jack a round in the AR (for apple stealing yotes) and continue. After on a few steps the linebacker charging up the hill above me appears to be spooked. Sounded like a lot of commotion. A few less apples and only a couple of pics on the cam. More poop. When I made it home later there was one pic of the back end of the little black bear facing the same direction I was coming from. My guess is that he heard me from a ways off and was interupted by the sound while having his morning apples. He decided to bug out. Problem is the path is the same one I was on. He probably came down a little bit, heard me rack a round, and decided to bail and run up the hill. Kind of fun.

So, cam is positioned better, two cases of apples out, fermenting cracked corn and cob mixture still getting fed on. Just more bear activity than deer at the moment.

Oh yeah, why they "Crappy" part of the update. Bear crap EVERYWHERE!!!

Have a good week and stay tuned for more bait cam fun. Hell, at least it hasn't been stolen.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-6, Crappy Weekend Update
Post by: iRem on June 06, 2011, 05:05:16 PM

Have a good week and stay tuned for more bait cam fun. Hell, at least it hasn't been stolen.
:yeah:
Keep the pics coming!! I haven't had a chance to pick up another camera, but I will soon. I might just search out a different GMU?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-6, Crappy Weekend Update
Post by: fish vacuum on June 06, 2011, 07:02:30 PM
After years of playing with trail cameras, I bought a nice one with a bear-proof cage that bolts to the tree. The only problem bears have caused this one was when a bear licked the camera and caused the pictures after that to be all blurry from saliva on the lens.
I've also never been able to establish a good pattern with blacktails. And I won't pack in anything heavy. It's an hour walk in. About a quart of a liquid deer attractor and a mineral lick work fine. More bait might help develop a pattern but I'm hunting, not raising stock.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-6, Crappy Weekend Update
Post by: oldleclercrd on June 06, 2011, 09:12:10 PM
Well quit eating Krispy Kreme donuts on the way in and then touching your trail camera and maybe you wont have a bear problem :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-6, Crappy Weekend Update
Post by: h20hunter on June 07, 2011, 07:22:55 AM
Good comments, thanks. I'm expecting some better pics to be able to use in the next update. I have started wearing gloves when I handle the camera to keep some of the scent off it. I know I still have some deer feeding because I can see track and droppings. Also, I think I have two different bears judging from the size of the scat. I'll be heading back out this weekend probably and I'll update again.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please. UPDATE: 03/07/11
Post by: tsimp1211 on June 08, 2011, 05:16:08 PM
Deer do not like the sent of humnas even on apples. I once had apples laying out, and the deer seemed leary of them. So i took one and thew it at them, all does. after being startled they gre curious, then started eating them. other piles i have set up were only hit after the rain had killed off my scent.  :twocents:
Don't know if this has been said yet or not, but I have put apple cider in a sprayer and put out corn then sprayed the corn with the cider.  I have also soaked corn in cider and put it out.  Both will quickly attract deer, the latter with get you some bears too!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-6, Crappy Weekend Update
Post by: tsimp1211 on June 08, 2011, 05:19:28 PM
here is just one of the pics i took last summer over corn.  i hunt over corn as well, it is legal here in the part of SC that I live.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing, your thoughts please.
Post by: predatorpro on June 08, 2011, 10:43:26 PM
Thats a good point about the alfalfa. I bet I can find a feed store that will have something. Gonna be a tough one to hike in a 50lb bag.
its so much fun! you better get 2 bags cuz you will definately want to do it again after you drop the first one off just for fun ;)
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-12, I got a buck showing up.
Post by: h20hunter on June 12, 2011, 11:53:09 AM
Well, where to start with this update. First, we are going to be able to put the scent argument to bed. No more debating whether or not you have be steril when you to to and from your bait site. Why? Cause I left my damn had on the stump with the trail cam. It has enough of my sweat to be its own salt lick. From the action I got over the past week and don't think it would matter if I was sitting there. Bears and deer are still gonna eat. The cam took a bit of a battering but made it okay. The new strap with buckle did its job. You will have to take a look and give me your opinions on these bears and this one buck I got. The buck looks like he is going to be a nice little blackie. The bear may be tagged. Also, you can look at the background and really tell that there is some big size difference on the bears coming in. For my feeding menu this time in I have two cases of appples for about 85lbs and that is mixed with cracked corn and alfalfa pellets. We'll see. Here are a bunch of new pics in no particlual order. Oh, why no date and time, cause I screwed up and turned it off. I also angled the camera a bit more down as well. Basically, these are no older than the last update last weeekend.

Keep checking back and we'll see if the bears try and eat my hat!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-12, I got a buck showing up.
Post by: h20hunter on June 12, 2011, 11:55:22 AM
a few more
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-12, I got a buck showing up.
Post by: h20hunter on June 12, 2011, 11:56:22 AM
My cam set up and some cam damage.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-12, I got a buck showing up.
Post by: h20hunter on June 12, 2011, 11:57:24 AM
And the whole reason for me doing this. My first buck on cam.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-12, I got a buck showing up.
Post by: AKBowman on June 12, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
Well done H20! That buck looks like he will be at least a nice 3X3. Awesome job, now to keep tabs on him; find out where he is entering exiting, bedding, other feeding areas with different winds  :bash: man blackies are tough.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-1,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: h20hunter on June 19, 2011, 10:35:16 AM
Nope, I sure as heck didn't.

What I did find was my cam in worse shape than last time. It has one puncture wound to the face where the IF flash is and one buckle loop snapped off the back. I don't have any real great pics of the attack but I'll bet you know who is responsible. Plenty of bear action same day I was there but I don't know if the buck showed up. I've got two days of pics and the nothing but sky.

I have brought the cam in for repairs and will be bulding my own bear box over the next week.

Stupid bears.

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-1,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: h20hunter on June 19, 2011, 10:36:50 AM
Few more...

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-1,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: h20hunter on June 19, 2011, 10:38:37 AM
Just prior to the attack.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-19,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: Birdguy on June 19, 2011, 11:41:41 AM
Great shots, sucks about the camera though. Both bears look to be decent sized and I agree about one being tagged. Looking forward to updates as the summer passes, good luck on the bear box for the camera.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-19,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: h20hunter on June 19, 2011, 12:24:21 PM
Thanks...I was checking and I think I'm just going to buy one. Anywhere from 25 to 35 online for my cam already made up. that will save me some time. After taking the cam apart the puncture wound is easily fixed with a new piece of thick plastic. I'll get the box on order this week and be back in business.

Just goes to show...one long learning process.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-19,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: h20hunter on June 21, 2011, 07:21:27 AM
Well, after some basic repairs the ol Bushnell may be down. I've replaced what I can but am going to have to send it in. I'm afraid the puncture wound may have allowed water inside the guts of the cam. Sending it in for repairs today and hope to be back in action in a few weeks. Live and learn I guess.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-19,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on June 21, 2011, 07:30:21 AM
Always coat your camera with lots of peanut butter.  Bears hate peanut butter!   :chuckle:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-19,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: h20hunter on June 21, 2011, 07:41:35 AM
Thanks for that doggy, I'll remember that. I see how it is...I mess with you on your "Ghost Pic" thread and you have to come at me like that. Ok, its on now buddy. When you go check your camera don't be surprised to find it covered in Bear Jam and bacon grease!! Hah! I'm kidding of course. This is my first time using a cam and I'm having fun with it either way. I'll tell you what though, when I get my cam back and a good metal case it will look like the Mad Maxx version with a nice F U bears logo painted on the front.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-19,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: Gamblin Guy on June 21, 2011, 07:52:26 AM
h20,

Enjoying this thread, thanks for posting.  Not sure which metal box you are looking at but i've had good luck with these guys.

http://custom1enterprises.com/ (http://custom1enterprises.com/)

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-19,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on June 21, 2011, 07:57:08 AM
At least you get critter pics.  But then, I'm not baiting, either.  Mainly trying to see what's coming in to water.  Might try a few apples next time.  after all, this is Wenatchee.

I modified an old electrical box and lag bolted it to a tree.  A bear would probably break a tooth trying to bite that thing open.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-19,Well..did I find my hat???
Post by: h20hunter on June 21, 2011, 08:02:32 AM
Gamblin....Thanks for the link. I was looking at one on Amazon that looks good but I like that one even better. Thanks for that.

Doggy....I have gotten some good pics of critters but at a a cost at this point. Apples will really bring them in. I look forward to your pics.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-26,My borrowed cam is on borrowed time.
Post by: h20hunter on June 26, 2011, 01:24:01 PM
Buddy has an older cam and he agreed to let me borrow it. Well, it had a minor encounter but survived okay. I only had a few apples out over the week. I mainly put out cracked corn and alfala pellets. I got one pic of a deer. You can see just the back. The head was down so I'm not sure but I think it is the buck. Every time I get does on cam they have yearlings with them. So, this week, I put out a pressed deer block, cracked corn, and some cob. The location is different as well. This is the corner I'll be hunting.

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-26,My borrowed cam is on borrowed time.
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 27, 2011, 12:39:24 PM
Is this the same spot just a different camera angle?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-26,My borrowed cam is on borrowed time.
Post by: h20hunter on June 27, 2011, 12:44:28 PM
That is at the "end of the road" It is only about 50 yards from my first cam location. I have a spot cut back into the brush to sit behind as a natural blind.

Also, per UPS tracking, my cam has made it back to Bushnell. Now, just have to wait and see what they say.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-26,My borrowed cam is on borrowed time.
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 27, 2011, 01:28:25 PM
Maybe this weekend we could go check it out. 
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 06-26,My borrowed cam is on borrowed time.
Post by: h20hunter on June 27, 2011, 01:38:26 PM
I'd be happy to but going to have to wait. I've got family in town......well....let me get back to you. I'll check with the fam and see if I can get out for a morning. Sat? Sun? Mon? What is your preference?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-05, Bushnell called, cam is officially dead!
Post by: h20hunter on July 05, 2011, 01:43:18 PM
Well, talked with Bushnell and they suggest I sue the bear that ate my cam. Actually, they got a good chuckle when I told them the symptom was "mauling". They are offering to sell me this camera:

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Bushnell-HD-Trophy-Cam-with-Black-and-White-Text-LCD/1199981.uts?WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Bushnell-HD-Trophy-Cam-with-Black-and-White-Text-LCD/1199981.uts?WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products)

for $150.00 (less my $10 prepaid shipping) and throw in a new updated bear box for the new model no charge.

I'm thinking good deal but still thinking on it.

Input?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-05, Bushnell called, cam is officially dead!
Post by: Special T on July 05, 2011, 03:20:53 PM
I don't see how you can go wrong.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-05, Bushnell called, cam is officially dead!
Post by: Big P on July 06, 2011, 07:19:27 PM
That's a great deal! I would buy it
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-05, Bushnell called, cam is officially dead!
Post by: sebek556 on July 06, 2011, 07:21:58 PM
if you dont want the deal let me know I'd take it!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-05, Bushnell called, cam is officially dead!
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 07, 2011, 06:38:48 AM
See if you can get two at that price :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-05, Bushnell called, cam is officially dead!
Post by: h20hunter on July 07, 2011, 07:15:01 AM
Yeah, wish I could and wish I had the cash. I have placed the order and they should ship it in a few days. They didn't end up throwing the bear box in for free. I guess the newest models are just a bit different so the custom boxes are a bit more expensive. They are charging me....get this....a whole $18.00 for the bear box. *censored*s!

I will say that I am very pleased with Bushnell from a point of customer service. They mentioned that the whole repair dept got quite the chuckle from my repair request form. I guess they don't get a lot of "bear mauling" listed for symptom or concerns regarding camera function. Everyone I have spoken with and dealt with has been very helpfull and understanding of my wants and needs. I almost wonder if some of these folks actually spend time in the woods using some of their products. Hmmm..

Either way, nice folks and a very good customer service experience so far. Shoot, it is my own fault the camera got worked over, not theirs.

Stay tuned for new camera pics, video, and my newely customized bear box!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-12, Back in action, thanks Bushnell!
Post by: h20hunter on July 12, 2011, 02:26:52 PM
Back in action. Just got my new cam via UPS today. Was planning on hitting the gym after work but I think a pack full of trophy rock, cob, cracked corn, a tub Stump Licker, and a new Trophy Cam w/ bear box will suffice for a workout. So, heading home after work, loading up, and heading out. I'll post later this evening with current pics of the cam all mounted up.

I'll say, very happy with Bushnell. They took good care of me and shipped my new cam quick.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-12, Back in action, thanks Bushnell!
Post by: h20hunter on July 12, 2011, 09:51:26 PM
Here is the new cam mounted up. The pics don't show the lid. It is on, padlocked, and spiked to deter the bears. I carried in one case of apples, one trophy rock, some cob, some cracked corn, and a jug 'o buck jam. The apples are mostly covered by the corn/cob mix, then the jam is poured on top, and the trophy rock is off to the side. The rest of the jam is poured over a stump rearby, the stump in the previous pics with the salt and mineral blocks sitting on it. This should bring in every deer and bear around for miles.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-12, Back in action, thanks Bushnell!
Post by: wlandrum on July 13, 2011, 06:13:01 AM
Looks good, let us know how it holds up.    :tup:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-12, Back in action, thanks Bushnell!
Post by: iRem on July 13, 2011, 08:23:20 PM
I like it, put it on video so we can watch the bear try to chew on it!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-12, Back in action, thanks Bushnell!
Post by: h20hunter on July 13, 2011, 09:44:21 PM
Actually, I set it on video hoping for just that. It also has audio pick up so maybe we will get to hear Mr. Bear swear.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-12, Back in action, thanks Bushnell!
Post by: Special T on July 15, 2011, 09:23:35 AM
An old timer from Silver arrow has pic of a bear grabbing his camera off a tree walking with it, and walking away after he dropped it. and it is an old school 35mm film trail cam!  :yike:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-12, Back in action, thanks Bushnell!
Post by: h20hunter on July 15, 2011, 09:43:47 AM
If Mr. Bear is determined enough to get this one off the tree, stuff it in it's maw, and walk off....well...I guess he earned it.

I am having a blast with my cam but this will be the last pricey one I buy. I have seen a lot of very good pics from others on the forum and would not have purchased another Bushnell if they had not offered me the discount. Not that I don't love the camera, just could not have justified the cash. However, they gave me a good price and came through with great customer service so I was good with it.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: h20hunter on July 17, 2011, 01:58:57 PM
So, went out and check the cam this morning. It is unharmed and working more than well. I had it on video capture of 25 seconds with 1 minute interval. I have 4 gigs of vid clips from only 3 days. That filled the complete card. The long and short of it is one fat bear moved in, ate, walked around, scratched just about every part of is body, ate, slept, and did that over and over. It even made kind of a bed and just kind of crashed. Basically for three days straight, day and night, I had a bear in from of the camera. It seemed to lick all the gunk right off the ground. There was nothing left, it was licked clean. The trophy rock was rolled around but still there.

So, this time I didn't leave any apples. I bought two of those pressed blocks for deer and left them along with the trophy rock. My hope is the bear will be less interested since there are plenty of berries and things to eat instead of the block. We'll see.

Overall I'm very pleased with the new camera. It takes good video and you can hear the bear munching on apples from about 20 feet or so away. The pickup is a bit muffled I think because of the box. I was also glad to see that the spikes were not visible during filing.

I'm going to knock together a video compilation of the bear(s) and post up in the trail camera section. I'm really trying to keep this thread deer based but have to get them back in for that to happen. The cam is now set on 8 mp single shot with a 30 second delay from shot to shot.

We'll see if the bears bug off and the deer come back in.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: seth30 on July 17, 2011, 02:29:21 PM
just a question, but would it be better to paint the screws green or black to make the visiblity of the trail camera less noticable?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: h20hunter on July 17, 2011, 03:47:00 PM
Probably, it is not very noticeable until you are right on it. Besides. with all the damn bears nobody will want to get close to it.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: seth30 on July 17, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
makes sense, I might try that screw mehtod to keep my trail camera safe.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: h20hunter on July 17, 2011, 04:12:55 PM
Working for me. This is the same place where the bears killed my last one.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: seth30 on July 17, 2011, 04:15:03 PM
Is it thick back in there, or can you get a chance to use a scoped rifle?  My favorite spots require iron sights, and of course the pucker factor :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: h20hunter on July 17, 2011, 04:29:26 PM
Well, I will be bow hunting for deer but since you can't hunt bear over bait it is a moot point.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-05, Bushnell called, cam is officially d
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on July 17, 2011, 09:37:57 PM
Yeah, wish I could and wish I had the cash. I have placed the order and they should ship it in a few days. They didn't end up throwing the bear box in for free. I guess the newest models are just a bit different so the custom boxes are a bit more expensive. They are charging me....get this....a whole $18.00 for the bear box. *censored*s!

I will say that I am very pleased with Bushnell from a point of customer service. They mentioned that the whole repair dept got quite the chuckle from my repair request form. I guess they don't get a lot of "bear mauling" listed for symptom or concerns regarding camera function. Everyone I have spoken with and dealt with has been very helpfull and understanding of my wants and needs. I almost wonder if some of these folks actually spend time in the woods using some of their products. Hmmm..

Either way, nice folks and a very good customer service experience so far. Shoot, it is my own fault the camera got worked over, not theirs.

Stay tuned for new camera pics, video, and my newely customized bear box!

It is good to hear your customer service experience with them has been good. Mine was quite the opposite...for two...on two different occasions with two different trophycams.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: h2ofowlr on July 17, 2011, 10:07:38 PM
I bet a few of these trail cameras that come up stolen are due to bears running off with new toys.   :tup:  How much have you spent to get a few pics?  A lot of work this early in the season.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: h20hunter on July 18, 2011, 06:21:59 AM
My first camera I was only into about $60 because I had a gift card when I bought it. However, as the summer is going I shell out a little here, a little there. It adds up over time but I am having fun and learning quite a bit about my area as well as the habits of the critters. So far it has been worth it for me. I have been enjoying the hiking, the anticipation, even the let down when myh first cam was killed.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: oldcamper on July 18, 2011, 06:49:46 PM
If there is a bear problem just post it in the bear hunting section that there are to many in the area and after Aug 1st. the problem should be solved.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: h20hunter on July 18, 2011, 07:16:22 PM
I'm with you Camper. However, I don't think WDFW would look to kindly on me telling folks to hunt over my blacktail bait you know. Not really something I want to encourage however much I wish it were legal to hunt bears over bait. I'd have some dandy ones coming in. However, I'm trying to change up my feed to see if they will look elsewhere for higher calorie foods like berries.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-17 Bears are pushing my deer out I think.
Post by: oldcamper on July 18, 2011, 07:23:10 PM
I am out of the area with the military so I won't make the season this year. But please post if it works, I am looking forward to next year. And yes I think the WDFW would frown on it.  Good hunting to you.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-23, More bears, yotes, and deer.
Post by: h20hunter on July 23, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
Todays trail cam check was a bit different for me. I had my wife along this time for a nice hike in the woods. I picked up twmore pressed blocks and a fresh set of batteries. The last soad on video capture really took it out of the batteries. Overall I am very pleased with the new cam. I had it set to 8mp single shot capture with a one minute lag between. The results of a one week soak was 426 new pictures. I've got some bears, a lone yote, and a few deer. Finally, some deer to show for my efforts.

Well, the idea that the pressed blocks won't appeal to the bears as much didn't really work out. Basically, they chew on them and roll them around like a tasty bear chew toy. I don't even thing the birds got a chance to peck at them. After reviewing the pics it looks like I have a lone boar of good size, a little fella that runs solo, and a momma with a little one in tow. I also had one close up of one of the bears head as it sniffed at the camera. Once again, it is unscathed.

The deer looked like they were around during hours that would offer good shooting light. I got a momma and yearling and then later on I got a single deer butt. Not sure if it was a buck or doe but am just happy to have some deer action. The deer were there in between bear visits so I'm still hoping this will be a huntable area for me when bow season comes in.

After our walks we did see our first bear. We were coming along the basin road a ways up, past the Lake Bronson nudie ranch, at about 5 pm. We were just chatting and talking about the walks and how nice it is to have the kids at home with the babysitter. I was just poking along at about 20 and out comes a little bear. I say, "well, theres a bear right in front of us". I stop the truck and do a quick check to make sure the camera is in the back of the truck with my gear, yep, it is. So, we just sit there for a minute or so and he walks right in front of the truck and stops in the far side shallow ditch. He stands there for about 30 seconds and is trying to figure out what to do now. Once he figures out that he should leave he just kind of lowers his head and walks off. Way cool. That was my first bear sigting in the open as well as the first for my wife. this was a pretty small bear, less than 100 lbs and a little more tan/cinn than black. It just capped off a nice time out checking the cam.

Here are a few pics from the new batch.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-23, More bears, yotes, and deer.
Post by: h20hunter on July 23, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
Couple more
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-29, Peanuts Anyone??
Post by: h20hunter on July 29, 2011, 08:44:55 AM
So, I'm planning on heading out tomorrow at the butt crack of dawn to change out the card and leave some fresh product. I've got about 40 pounds of cob to take in along with a bag of Buckbran magic in a bag. I was burning up a gift card the other day on Cabelas site and picked up a set of Montecs for my bow. Grabbed a few other things and with the left over few dollars picked up a Redspot mineral brick and a bag of Buckbran. Now, on the packaging it shows monster bucks so I'm sure it is good stuff. After looking at the ingredients I'm sure the bears are just going to snort it up like an addict at an Amy Winehouse concert ( too soon?). So anyway, I'm going to pour the cob in one pile, the bear nose candy (Buckbran) in another. That got me to thinking.....do deer eat peanuts? Why? Cause that is just how my mind works. I know in the midwest farmers with peanut fields just get hammered by deer. Well, I've got a big old bag of slighty stale, in the shell, lightly salted peanuts. I'm going to take it out as well and pour about a 6 pound pile of them out. The results should be a best of three taste test. Wet cob vs. Buckbran vs. Peanuts.

Any bets on the winner?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-29, Peanuts Anyone??
Post by: dirty24d on July 29, 2011, 08:59:23 AM
dude you gotta try some corn, cheap fresh corn...  they go nuts over it....
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-29, Peanuts Anyone??
Post by: h20hunter on July 29, 2011, 09:01:04 AM
I've used cracked corn and it seemed to do as well as the cob. The peanut thing is just something to throw on the ground instead of the trash. Maybe they'll go "nuts" over them as well?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-29, Peanuts Anyone??
Post by: dirty24d on July 29, 2011, 09:09:19 AM
was out on the dirtbike yesterday up in that neck and saw a toad of a boar about 100 yards down a skidder looked like he was 8 feet tall just standing straight up and looking at me like wtf...
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-29, Peanuts Anyone??
Post by: h20hunter on July 29, 2011, 09:10:58 AM
Like this?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-29, Peanuts Anyone??
Post by: dirty24d on July 29, 2011, 09:17:20 AM
woooow.. uh that might damn well be him.. he was loooud too. i turned of my bike and watched him for a few and as he was walking away he was grunting  up a storm and it was echoing off  trail, heard him for about 5 minutes after i couldnt see him anymore..  I havent been on here much in awhile  but it looks like the area i pointed you to last year is paying off... it also looks likeyou been putting some miles and time in. good on ya.  I'm surprised i havent seen ya up there i been riding and hiking quite a bit lately...
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-29, Peanuts Anyone??
Post by: oldleclercrd on July 29, 2011, 05:48:25 PM
Amy Winehouse....wow...... now thats funny right there :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-29, Peanuts Anyone??
Post by: h20hunter on July 29, 2011, 07:59:21 PM
thank you, thank you very much. I may need to go to rehab, i say no, no, no. really, I don't know the song or have it on my ipod for rock'n out....anyway, cob, peanuts, buckbran, redspot block, all packed and ready to go in the am. Look for the results when I get back.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: h20hunter on July 30, 2011, 10:36:18 AM
Wow, 12 pages.

Welcome again huntaholics. In a nutshell. Last week the bears waited less than two hours to come in and work over the blocks. Got 400 and some pics of bears, a yote, a surveyor, his massive rotweiller...and no deer. This time I left behind a buffett of peanuts, buckbran, and cob. There is also another redspot salt block I had. I'm going to leave it for about 3 weeks while I bear hunt elsewhere and see what happens. I hope that once the bait is depleted the bears will be less frequent and the deer will start traveling there more as we get towards September. I posted a bunch of pics in my trail cam thread so for brevity I'll post a pic of the buffett and wait until I have something other than bears to post here.

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: AKBowman on July 31, 2011, 03:52:13 PM
"Last week the bears waited less than two hours to come in and work over the blocks. Got 400 and some pics of bears, a yote, a surveyor, his massive rotweiller...and no deer"

I hate to be the one to tell you but maybe you should think about relocating, or stop baiting that area. Sounds like there was more deer activity there maybe before you started baiting. Once the bears find it they will not leave and the deer find other areas where they can relax without the pressure
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: h20hunter on August 01, 2011, 06:18:51 AM
I think you may right AK. I'm not going to put anything new out between now and Sept. My hope is the bears spend less and less time there. There are plenty of berries for them. Also, if I quit baiting now I can hunt bear and deer at the same time in that spot.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: sticky on August 03, 2011, 09:43:39 AM
Is it legal to bait deer?  I know at one time salt licks were illegal but I checked the game regs and didn't see any mention of baiting except for bears.  I was thinking about taking some of the apples from our trees and set some out now and maybe freezing some to use during the season. 

To my way of thinking, baiting isn't all that different than growing a field of clover and ambushing Bambi at dinner time.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: h20hunter on August 03, 2011, 09:45:59 AM
You can bait for anything except bear/fowl/cats.

If there is a bear around he/she will find your bait. I am not going to put anything out anymore to see what is travelling the area. I have way to many bears at my site and the baiting may have shut down the deer. Time will tell and I'll keep posting on this thread regardless.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: h20hunter on August 03, 2011, 09:47:02 AM
By the way, I agree with baiting being similiear to planting a food plot. I would also argue that baiting should be legal for bear but not deer. However, another thread another time.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: MtnMuley on August 03, 2011, 04:19:13 PM
You can bait for anything except bear/fowl/cats.



You can bait cats.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: huntnnw on August 03, 2011, 10:49:19 PM
not deer but bear? usually that comes from hunters who can easily hunt deer but struggle or seen very few bears in the wild. Bears are about the easiest critter to bring to bait..not to include wind which is a non factor in every bait I have done for bears, once they are on the bait there are hardly spooked unlike whitetails
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: h20hunter on August 04, 2011, 07:15:52 AM
So, went for a little hike hunt and decided to swing by my cam. I had about 1500 pics since the last check. I changed a few settings on the cam and with the buffet set it was game on. I had bears, bears, bears, bears, bears, deer, deer, some hunters, bears, bears, bears, and myself.

The buffet showed the cob to be the clear winner. The fat ol bears would just lay right down and put their face right in it. I did get a few pics of them licking the blocks which is cool. As far as the peanuts...all eaten with only the shells. It tooked like the bears and whatever else would chomp them and then eat the nuts after the shells were chewed up.

Thanks go out to the two guys that were checking out MY SPOT. Kidding here. It is a free country and open ground, hunt away fellas. Thank your for not jacking with my cam, the metal box, or the spike screws sticking out of it. Also, thanks for not chucking my salt block and trophy rock over the hill.

Here is some of the pics from the last few days. The first set is pretty interesting. Note the time stamp.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: h20hunter on August 04, 2011, 07:19:10 AM
Here are two for "scale". By the way...I'm just under 6' 1" and am pushing the 240 range.

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 07-30, The "buffet" is set.
Post by: h20hunter on August 04, 2011, 07:21:48 AM
Deer! Yeah......more deer and a little spike to show for it as well.

I will not be taking in any more food for the bears. Hope the deer keep coming and maybe pick up the pace a bit.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 08-04, All is not lost for me!
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 04, 2011, 07:47:42 AM
That's a big bear.  How many hunters did you get this week so far on camera.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 08-04, All is not lost for me!
Post by: h20hunter on August 04, 2011, 07:53:41 AM
Only two, hunting together, checked out the area, the blocks, headed out of the area.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 08-04, All is not lost for me!
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 04, 2011, 08:21:00 AM
You better start eating some of that cob yourself because that bear looks bigger than you.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 08-04, All is not lost for me!
Post by: h20hunter on August 04, 2011, 08:32:54 AM
You aren't kidding. Now, look at these two side by side. I'm sure these are two different bears.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 08-04, All is not lost for me!
Post by: D-Rock425 on August 04, 2011, 09:07:07 AM
The second picture looks like a big fatty and the first picture just looks like a fatty.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 08-04, All is not lost for me!
Post by: mallard79 on August 04, 2011, 12:21:22 PM
Both look good enough to be my first..... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 08-04, All is not lost for me!
Post by: coachcw on August 04, 2011, 12:42:07 PM
once you know  a bears hitting your bait you gotta pull it !
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 08-04, All is not lost for me!
Post by: h20hunter on August 04, 2011, 01:10:38 PM
Yep, I've stopped with the feed. These bears will be on their own from now on. It's all about the deer at this spot. At least with the last few days I know they are still moving...and a little spike buck to boot.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-02, Hunt'n Time
Post by: h20hunter on September 02, 2011, 01:06:44 PM
Well, the truck is packed, bow is ready, mind is clear and focused.

I have had some action since the last post. Mainly bears and hunters. Since I stopped putting feed out the bears have dropped off about 80%. I'll be hunting the corner for the first time this evening. I'm hoping I get a chance at either two bucks that have been seen, the spike, or eventually a doe gives me a shot.

For those that know exactly (Dirty) and for the few that have hunted this spot please keep your eyes out for some pink trail tape. Wed evening I was hunting an area about a mile from my spot for bears. Had a guy come in, see me, and sit not 20 yards away on the same clearning. Now, this clearning is small enough for one guy to cover the whole thing with a rifle. I ASSUME he would not have shot if a bear came in. However, it got me thinking. So, at the base of my trail I'm string a piece of tape across with "bowhunter ahead" warning. This is not at all a honey hole so hopefully people will see it and not continue up the trail.

Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-02, Hunt'n Time
Post by: Skillet on September 02, 2011, 01:13:03 PM
Luck.  Call if'n you need a packboard with a dummy to run it.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-02, Hunt'n Time
Post by: h20hunter on September 02, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
Thanks.....dinner with the GF parents again?
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-02, Hunt'n Time
Post by: Skillet on September 02, 2011, 01:23:14 PM
If you're feeling lucky I'll call and set it up right now. 
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-02, Hunt'n Time
Post by: h20hunter on September 02, 2011, 01:37:31 PM
I always feel luck....just that the critters disagree.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-02, Hunt'n Recap
Post by: h20hunter on September 02, 2011, 09:58:40 PM
No real news to report from the evening hunt. Had a nice sit, saw some birds, killed some skeeters, just no hooved critters.

Here are a few pics from the cam since I last checked.

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-02, Hunt'n Recap
Post by: Malardman on September 03, 2011, 09:58:09 PM
Hey man, you have put in alot of time, it's gonna pay off this week I can feel it. :tup: draw some blood while I'm gone. Also it was nice meeting you the other night, anyhow off for elk later....
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-05, Exciting evening hunt
Post by: Goldeneye on September 05, 2011, 09:43:29 PM
Sounds like a good time.  You'll dump something soon.  Pick yourself up a Taurus Judge and you'll have a pistol  that shoots both 45 LC and .410 shotshells.  My Judge puts the hurt on grouse.  Haven't needed the .45 LC for anything yet.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-05, Exciting evening hunt
Post by: ghosthunter on September 05, 2011, 11:25:58 PM
Sounds like a good time.  You'll dump something soon.  Pick yourself up a Taurus Judge and you'll have a pistol  that shoots both 45 LC and .410 shotshells.  My Judge puts the hurt on grouse.  Haven't needed the .45 LC for anything yet.

 :yeah: ;)
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-08, Ready for Tomorrow
Post by: Ranger91298 on September 08, 2011, 09:30:26 PM
Good luck brother!!!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-08, Ready for Tomorrow
Post by: dirty24d on September 08, 2011, 09:52:05 PM
Truck is packed. Book is in pack. Rifle is ready. Rounds are double checked. Arrows are tipped. Seat is there. Sticks are there. Machete, gloves, head cover, boots, knives, tarps, all ready. FJ loaded down. I'm ready for a deer with the bow or a bear with my rifle. If that silly bear comes over the hill he's a gonner. If deer come out in front of me...yep, gonner. Gonna sit all day. Its my day. Gonna whack something...I can feel it.

I'll be around for most of the day tomorrow. You know the drill call and text me if you need a hand!!  Knock something down!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-08, Ready for Tomorrow
Post by: Goldeneye on September 08, 2011, 10:00:47 PM
No napping in your blind! 
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-08, Ready for Tomorrow
Post by: h20hunter on September 09, 2011, 09:18:13 PM
"No napping".....

Did you sneak up on me this afternoon?

I went, I hunted, I saw nothing. I did meet up with D-Rocks cousin at the gate. He spooked a bear that was lurking in the brush but this stuff is so think and marshy you wouldn't ever have a chance of going in and finding boo boo. I did some huge black red headed woodpecker looking birds. They kept flitting around and basically banging the hell out of every individual piece of tree and downed wood in the area. I swear I almost shot one for kicks and giggles.

Now regarding the napping. Yes, yes, I did take a nap. I swear I was about falling off my little chair. So, I just kicked back, closed my eyes, dozed a bit.

Overall a nice day and evening hunt.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-09, No luck this time
Post by: Goldeneye on September 09, 2011, 09:25:33 PM
One time Muzzy Hunting I took one of those mid day cat naps.  Woke up a little later with elk tracks going around both sides of me.  A whole darn herd went around me!  Those big things can be very quiet when they want to.  I know your hunting deer but the same thing can happen with deer.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-09, No luck this time
Post by: h20hunter on September 10, 2011, 01:35:35 PM
In this case time will defenitely tell. I've left the cam set while I've been in and out. Its on 1 min video capture with a short break in between. My hope is that I'll get a bow kill on video using the trail cam. What it will probably end up being is exactly what you mentioned. Me asleep with a masher walking right past. At least I'm well armed. I'll be up there before light tomorrw. See if the deer are moving earlier in the morning. I figure with heat and moon early early am may be better than the evening hunt. We'll see.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-17, Rained out this morning
Post by: h20hunter on September 17, 2011, 04:11:47 PM
Well, my morning am hunt started and ended as planned. My goal was to get in and settled before the sun came up. Check. Hunt all morning. Check. Walk out around lunch, drive into town, eat. Check. Walk back in and get settled with my book for the long afternoon hunt. Check. Sit in the drizzle.....well I'm not getting but a few drops here and there so I figure I can sit tight. After about an hour I'm getting a little wet and it is coming down a little bit more. I figure hell, I'm a mighty hunter, woo 'er of woman, eater of meat...I can hunt in the rain. Yeah, that lasted about 15 more minutes. I didn't expec the rain until tomorrw so I only had an extra hooded sweatshirt with me. So, early afternoon I packed it in. No real excitement other than a few sticks snapping off in the distance, one freaked out chipmunk when he figured out I was not a stump, a few tweety birds.

However, I did have some deer on my cam from this morning. I was in the woods at 6 and had deer milling around the camera at 3 am this morning. I'll post a few pics of what I have but they are not very good. Some *censored* hiker person draped some stuff over my camera yesterday. I posted what I have of the offending person in my trail cam thread. Here are a few that I have of deer from this morning.

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-21, 100% Going to be on deer this evening!
Post by: h20hunter on September 21, 2011, 12:05:30 PM
Why 100% do you ask? Well, I'll tell ya. I'm going for walk to look around and am only taking my .22. Since I'll only have about an hour of time I just want to go for a walk. Bunnies and grouse will be fair game. I won't have my bow or rifle so no deer or bear. That is usually when you see 'em out in the open lounging around. Basically, I'm just looking forward to a walk with the basics in mind. Some time to kill, a few bends and turns, a berry here and there, and the old .22. Maybe I'll even take a few pics.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-22, A nice walk, no game found.
Post by: h20hunter on September 22, 2011, 07:39:57 AM
Well, I had a nice walk. Shot a tree and a rock. Saw some tweety birds but no grouse. I've decided that since this coming Saturday will be my last day bow hunting this spot I will recap my days hunt, share some of what I've leaned, what I'd do diffrently, and what I've got planned for next year. Keep reading though, I'd like to hit 10k views before shutting the thread down.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-22, A nice walk, no game found.
Post by: Rooster1981 on September 22, 2011, 08:18:23 AM

I just read the entire thread, very cool :tup:
Thanks for shareing
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-22, A nice walk, no game found.
Post by: h20hunter on September 22, 2011, 08:19:16 AM
It has been a good time. I'm going to hunt my spot this weekend. Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-23.....well...S**T.
Post by: h20hunter on September 23, 2011, 08:18:19 PM
Here I sit. Truck is packed. Bow is ready. Chatting with D-rock about hunting whidbey on Sunday. He double checks the regs, yep, today was last day. So......tomorrow I'll bear hunt, pull the cam, and think of interesting things to say about what I learned about baiting blacktails and what ever else comes to mind. I'll be pulling the camera tomorrow and working on finding a new spot for a new project next year.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: h20hunter on September 24, 2011, 04:47:56 PM
Well, here I am. Almost 10k views, who knows how many pounds of apples, cob, cracked corn, pressed blocks I've been through. Lots of miles. Lots of Gatorade, plenty of sweat. Did I kill a deer? Nope. Was it worth it? Yep. In random scatter brained order here is what I'm taking away. Scouting early spring doesn't tell you crap about an area. It can grow up a get thick real quick. You won't know how many people use an area until the day hunting season starts. Bears will eat everything including cams. Positioning a cam is critical. So is protecting it. I lost one cam, got a better one. Did I mention bears will eat everything? If you didn't get that and are thinking baiting deer will equate to a slam dunk you better have a few things going for you that I didn't. Number one is private property, yours or access. Two is more deer than bears. I know there are deer in the area. However, I now know that the bears like one area more than the other. I would day of the 640 acres I've been walking I've learned about 1/4. Of that half is better for deer, half is full of bears. It was a lot of fun. I'll do it again and probably learn more.

Thanks to those that have followed and offered advice and help learning some areas. If anyone new stumbles upon this thread and wants to ask a few questions please do. However, for this one, it's done. The cam has been pulled. Come Jan 1st I'll have a new spot, new dreams of blacktail bucks with chocolate horns, and a new thread. Here is a final pic or two for you.

Cheers
H20Hunter

Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: dscubame on September 24, 2011, 04:51:32 PM
Thanks for taking us on this trip h2
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: h20hunter on September 24, 2011, 05:06:22 PM
My pleasure.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: Wahunter555 on October 03, 2011, 10:00:57 PM
Thanks for all the learning experiences that you had. and all the cool pics of the animals . I have learned a lot about making a feeding station. much apreciated.  :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: lablover on October 04, 2011, 06:52:31 AM
Absolutely fabulous thread H2O. I really enjoyed it and very unique idea, keep it up.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: doyourtime89 on August 04, 2012, 12:25:56 PM
Great info in this thread...thanks guys
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: h20hunter on August 04, 2012, 12:33:37 PM
Kind of forgot about this thread. Cool that you guys are still enjoying it.
Title: Re: Bait station and timing. UPDATE: 09-24, Final Update
Post by: h20hunter on February 28, 2013, 11:58:23 AM
old bump for James K..............
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