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Other Activities => Shed Hunting => Topic started by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2007, 12:02:25 PM

Title: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2007, 12:02:25 PM: No, I didn't find these. I bought them from a guy who buys and sells antlers! Going to hopefully mount them for my shop.

First is a matching set of Mule Deer Sheds. I beleive this set scores around 174". I paid $102 with shipping for them. They are a little faded but still a good bit of the natural color. I'm going to have to add a bit of stain to them.

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Second is a Matching set of Columbia Blacktail Sheds I bought from the same guy. They score 126 1/2. Only 8 1/2" shy of B&C. I paid $128 with shipping for them. Just have to get them mounted on a Reproduction skull plate and find a Cape for them. The color is all natural. I like the ivory tips on the tines.
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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 18, 2007, 12:17:50 PM: I'm glad you found a set of blackies. I looked through the pile this weekend and couldn't find the set I was telling you about. I had lots of help though, and if you have seen my pile you might understand. Next on my agenda is that staining procedure for you. I haven't forgotten you.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2007, 01:38:43 PM: Ohhh no boneaddict, I am still in the market for a Bigger set of matched Columbia Blacktail Sheds. Would even consider a matching set of Mule Deer Sheds. If someone has something close to the Non Typical Measurments I may still be interested.

Columbia Blacktail Deer

Typical: Has to score no less than 135" B&C. Hopeing for something 140" +

Non Typical: Has to score no less than 155" B&C

Mule Deer

Typical: Has to score no less than 190" B&C

NonTypical: Has to score no less than 230" B&C.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2007, 01:41:40 PM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj139%2FBAILEYDAD%2Fyikes.gif&hash=8db5c0e3b95ec8ad53c1722f0f969712908f5464)

wow...good luck with that.
you should have gone to antlerfest in utah.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2007, 02:26:09 PM: I scored the Blacktail Sheds myself. Since I can't do it official I'm going to locate an Official Scorer and have them. Once I get them on a Skull cap.

I will eventually find what I am looking for. It may take me a little while but I have learned who to look for. I actually got to call a guy in the next couple of days that may have a set of Non Typical Blacktail Sheds. He is from UT I beleive. Maybe I will get lucky!
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2007, 02:59:02 PM: I believe the ones you have there. the ones you are looking for are giants.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 18, 2007, 04:11:15 PM: Don't give up on me. I'll go through the pile one more time and hopefully they aer what you want. I don't have any non typ blackies that even come close.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2007, 04:20:46 PM: jackelope, you think the ones I have now are giant? or the ones I am looking for?

Boneaddict, I'm not giving up on you. Just don't want you to feel like I am pressuring you into giving them up. If I found a monster set of matching sheds I'd probably have a hard time giving them up. Hey if you decide that you don't want to part with them you won't hurt my feelings.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2007, 04:36:01 PM: the ones you're looking for are huge IMHO.
maybe i'm off base. top 3 blackies of all time are in the 170's net.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2007, 04:54:50 PM: The Blackie sheds I have now that score 128 1/2" B&C and some change look small to me. Than again I have a 176" B&C set of Mule Deer sheds setting next to them. When I get my shop set up in Washington and start working with a majority of my shop filled with blackie I will be better able to gauge an average size.

I will say this the set of Blackie sheds I have were very evenly put together by mother nature. I think the rack only had 2 1/2 inches of deductions. That was due to the G2's being about 2" off. So almost every inch count on this rack!
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Jerome on June 18, 2007, 05:02:09 PM: (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv299%2Fwahunter%2Fwashingtonrecord.jpg&hash=4a6f92ce86ab791cd8e91116f4a50189ba498d72)
Heres a pic of washington states record. I took the picture at one of the shows. I have chased some dandy 4 pointers but this blacktail is a hog.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2007, 05:02:34 PM: i'd love to kill a 132" blackie. you're looking at too many big southern whitetails :).
check your pm's
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: jackelope on June 18, 2007, 05:03:46 PM: Quote
This buck is perfect

is that the gold bar buck??
if so, he's the world record also. not sure how old that record is and if it's been broken.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 18, 2007, 05:07:18 PM: THAT IS A HAWG.....don't worry, I have no problem saying no. ;). I will look again and if they are what you want and the price is right, they're yours. :) I have a picture of a blacktail that is hanging outside under some guys eves of his garage. he cares less about scores or books. the set of antlers is incredible. Shot on the Oregon coast. He probably pushes the world record. I thought so when I saw it anyway. I didn't believe it was a blacktail until he showed me field photos.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 18, 2007, 05:11:06 PM: Speaking of goldbar....anyone have those blacktail pictures of that buck that was harassing the locals there and had to be put down. I saw him....a big non-typical while fishing there. He was a dandy. Too bad he had to be put down. Probably another one of those stories where somebody saw an oppurtunity to collect a set of antlers in the name of safety.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 18, 2007, 06:12:51 PM: Found them Michelle. Risking life and death. They are about 69" and 64 inches respectfully for 133 inches gross. I found them side by side very shortly after dropping and they are dark hard and beautiful with ivory tips. As I mentioned before, two tips got chewed a bit, little varmints(what...did they tackle the deer and pull them off. If interested, I'll get you a more specific score with pics. I'm guessing about 17-18 inch inside spread with about 22 inch outside. That is of course up to your manipulation a bit, but what I think he would have been. They look fairly similiar to the ones you posted, but with deeper forks, and a bit less in the eyeguard department.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2007, 07:15:46 PM: Is that 133" Gross including the inside spread? Or is that befor you add the inside spread to it.

Yeah I am interested. Can you get me a little bit closer score? I use the form off of the Boone and Crocket Club website. It adds everything up for you. All you do is fill in the blanks.

How much you asking for them?
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 18, 2007, 07:37:12 PM: I'll score it on an official shed antler form and then scan it to you, and get you some pics. That would be 133 gross without the spread. You are looking at a 150+ blacktail. Probably would gross close to 150. I'm figuring about $125. If you think that is too much, let me know, if you think that i s too little and think they are worth more to you, let me know. I'm not much of a salesman as you can tell and I never sell antlers period. I'll get back to you tomorrow with specifics and pics. I think these would make a really good mount. I know I wanted to shoot the original owner. :P
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 18, 2007, 08:46:01 PM: Yeah, I was figguring high 140's after any deductions. I am not familure with a shed antler form but it sounds good to me. It should provide everything I need.

How do you measure your points? Do you measure points (G2, G4) from the center of the main beam to the tip? Or do you measure it from the top of the main beam to the tip? Let me know if I confused you.

Looking forward to the pictures! Do me a favor and put something in the picture for size referance. Like a Soda or something..

Thanks
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 06:21:39 AM: You measure the points from the top of the main beam, an imaginary line from where the top of the main beam is on one side of the point to the top of the main beam on the other side of the point. You can use two devices for official measurement, a 1/4 inch steel tape, and or a cable. I couldn't find my cable last night so used the steel tape. It works fine on every measurement but the main beam. I'll get some pictures tonight I am hoping. The antlers have pretty good mass throughout, which is typical of a nice blacktail. The forks are nice well defined forks. They are very symetrical accept for the g4 on one or the front fork is almost 9 inches, where the other is short of 6. The only thing I am worried about you not liking is the rodent chews. They are easily fixed on this one antler, but not sure if you want to mess with it. The shed antler form is the official score sheet to submit to the shed antler club. I do alot of measuring with those. Same measuring as for Boone and Pope, but its just formatted a tiny bit different, as there is no measurement for spread credit.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 19, 2007, 10:07:50 AM: Boneaddict how bad are the chew marks? How many? Are any of the tips completely chewed off and about how far down on the worst ones?

I will tell you this. I had a guy bring me a Texas whitetail skull and horns. It was a 10 point ( still use to counting all the points + eye guards ). It had hung in the tree in his back yard for 2 or 3 years. Their were about 4 or 5 chew marks on the main beam. All the tines except for the G4 and both brow tines were chewed on. 3 of the tines were chewed from the tip 1/2 way down just on one side. About 1/2 the bone was gone in that area. The repair was actually pretty easy. Appoxie Sculp will work wonders.

Do you think it is as bad as I just described? If you are worried about it take a few pictures of some of the worst chew marks. :)
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 10:15:54 AM: Not that bad at all. Most will disappear with a touch of fine sandpaper. One tip is chewed about 2 inches from the top on one side. A little apoxy sculpt will fix it right up. The original horn is stillthere, so no wire or anything needed. The matching side is ivory tipped right there. Pics comng tonight.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 19, 2007, 10:24:12 AM: Boneaddict it doesn't sound like the chew marks are going to be an issue. I am really not woried about it.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 10:36:33 AM: I'm actually excited for you to see these. I was dieing to hunt this deer, but I never get over to the wet side. Then I wanted to mount this animal, but again I would have to buy a blacktail cape and I only have about a dozen deer mounts already. My wife gets really nervous when I start talking about mounting some of my sheds. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 19, 2007, 11:15:03 AM: I have a very BAD habbit. You just havn't caught the bug yet. You are working on it though. I am always surfing taxidermy.net's For Sale section. Their is always some good stuff on their. I am always buying and selling stuff.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 11:55:16 AM: I think I have bought one cape. The hair slipped really bad on it, even while it was dry salted in the box, the hair was coming out. I tanned it and lost a whole section. It was good practice. I cut out the bad section and tried to use it anyways on one of my smaller mounts. I thought it was a good lesson that I could run into in the real world if I ever decided to do taxidermy. It was one of my first experiences on e-bay. I left the guy negative feedback and then he was pissed because he said he would have gladly snet me another. If he would have answered my dozen e-mails it might have been easier to convince me of that. Maybe I didi jump the gun. Speaking of slippage....how did the black coyote come out.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 19, 2007, 01:29:55 PM: Yeah, I would be pretty hesitant buying any capes off of Ebay. From what I have seen their are only one or two people on their that know what they are doing. I have a select few people I buy my capes from.

Not sure. So far everything looks good on the Black Coyote. Tomarrow I will go shake the salt off and hang it up to dry. So far the hair is tight and no slippage. I realy won't know anything til I get back from the tannery.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 01:36:14 PM: How many times do you re-salt it, or do you have to with a coyote.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 19, 2007, 02:10:25 PM: I split and flesh all my capes. Salt them for 24 hours and than shake the salt off. Than I apply another layer of salt and leave it for 48 hours. Than I shake that salt off and hang it to dry hard. Than I can ship it to the tannery.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 05:32:42 PM: Okay, here we go
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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 05:36:48 PM: Looking at about a 145 deer net or a 150 deer gross if I did all my math right.

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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 19, 2007, 05:40:21 PM: and to putthis all into perspective, here is a current scan the the shed records for Columbia backtail out of the current Washington state record book, and the current listings from the North American Shed Hunters Club, or the equivalent of the boone book for shed antelrs...both for singles and for matched. Note...not alot of matched.
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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 20, 2007, 06:46:37 AM: Crap! I scanned the wrong page.....well its good to know that they are as big as the non-typicals as well. I'll try again for you later.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on June 20, 2007, 10:42:36 AM: Now that is a monster set of Blacktail Sheds! :chuckle:

Now I have to find a Cape big enough to go with them.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on June 20, 2007, 04:57:30 PM: for the record.......here is the correct page....sorry
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Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 09:41:31 AM: Dang it Michelle, I can't find a box that fit them.
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2007, 09:43:30 AM: By the way D-man, not to rub salt into old wounds, but this is a 4 point. :)
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 07, 2007, 06:01:38 AM: The Goldbar buck ended up being a lie. It was actually a mule deer rack on a blacktail hide
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on November 07, 2007, 07:12:27 AM: :oYou can't find a big enough box for them?
Title: Re: Just a couple sets of sheds.
Post by: Co on April 19, 2012, 07:37:31 PM: :tup: