Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 22, 2011, 11:04:59 PM
Post by: OSCAR1987 on February 22, 2011, 11:08:14 PM
The accuracy will come in handy and be effective on big game. A well placed shot is more lethal.
just my :twocents:
Post by: hoyt2002 on February 22, 2011, 11:31:11 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on February 23, 2011, 04:50:38 AM
If I could spend your money for you I would get a .300RUM. 8)
Post by: bod on February 23, 2011, 05:48:58 AM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 23, 2011, 09:46:21 AM
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2011, 10:13:33 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on February 23, 2011, 12:16:38 PM
Post by: gunnarnewt on February 23, 2011, 12:52:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2011, 12:58:52 PM
There's no such thing as too dead so I'd go with the 300 win mag especially if you want to kill a moose with it. Not saying the 270 won't do it...just think that the 300 is better in that it will make them more deader more quicker. :) .
If bigger game is in the picture for this rifle, go 300 WM or even better, look at 300 WSM... you can choose different loads for smaller game with a 300 WM or 300 WSM.
What makes you want a 300wm over a 300wsm or viceeversee? Serious question...
The action length? because really thats about the only difference theoretically, isn't it?
Heck IMO if you're choosing between a 300 win mag or a 270 short mag why not just choose a 270...the ammo would be cheaper and whats the difference between the 270 and the 270wsm...cartridge dimensions and action length, right?
Post by: 6x6in6 on February 23, 2011, 01:03:45 PM
If a 300 win mag is overkill for deer, then so is a 30-06 and a .308:yeah:
There's no such thing as too dead so I'd go with the 300 win mag especially if you want to kill a moose with it. Not saying the 270 won't do it...just think that the 300 is better in that it will make them more deader more quicker. :) .If bigger game is in the picture for this rifle, go 300 WM or even better, look at 300 WSM... you can choose different loads for smaller game with a 300 WM or 300 WSM.
What makes you want a 300wm over a 300wsm or viceeversee? Serious question...
The action length? because really thats about the only difference theoretically, isn't it?
Heck IMO if you're choosing between a 300 win mag or a 270 short mag why not just choose a 270...the ammo would be cheaper and whats the difference between the 270 and the 270wsm...cartridge dimensions and action length, right?
Post by: Curly on February 23, 2011, 01:07:51 PM
The 300WM will have more velocity than the 300WSM.
I agree.........no such thing as too dead.
I'd go with 300WM..........except that those lightweight rifles you're looking at will likely kick quite a bit (even with the 270WSM). Nothing wrong with the 270 Win for you use, but why not just get the Tikka or A-bolt in 30-06.? That is what I'd go with if I were you...........30-06.
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2011, 01:16:11 PM
You get more velocity out of the 270WSM than the standard 270 Win.
The 300WM will have more velocity than the 300WSM.
I agree.........no such thing as too dead.
I'd go with 300WM..........except that those lightweight rifles you're looking at will likely kick quite a bit (even with the 270WSM). Nothing wrong with the 270 Win for you use, but why not just get the Tikka or A-bolt in 30-06.? That is what I'd go with if I were you...........30-06.
How much more either way?
Post by: Caseyd on February 23, 2011, 01:23:27 PM
According to the web. The 300 WM and 300 WSM would have the same velocity :dunno:
According to the web. The 270 WSM would be about 250ft/s faster then the 270.
Post by: woodswalker on February 23, 2011, 01:32:58 PM
Also if you are worried about overkill on deer...never seen such a thing...Dead is DEAD...dead quicker is better...less tracking. Start with 150 grain ammo and work up in weight. If you handload you can make some lighter recoil loads to get you started or buy Remington's Managed Recoil stuff. Then get out and SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT...until you can HIT.
Post by: Curly on February 23, 2011, 01:34:52 PM
You get more velocity out of the 270WSM than the standard 270 Win.
The 300WM will have more velocity than the 300WSM.
I agree.........no such thing as too dead.
I'd go with 300WM..........except that those lightweight rifles you're looking at will likely kick quite a bit (even with the 270WSM). Nothing wrong with the 270 Win for you use, but why not just get the Tikka or A-bolt in 30-06.? That is what I'd go with if I were you...........30-06.
How much more either way?
270WSM 130gr - 3,300 fps
270 Win 130gr - 3,000 fps
300WM and 300WSM are practically identical, but I just remember looking up ballistics years ago when I was trying to decide on a rifle and I decided on the WM partly because of more velocity. 300WM holds more powder, but the fat case of the WSM is more efficient so you can get almost identical velocity with less powder.
Post by: Gringo31 on February 23, 2011, 02:51:00 PM
http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_trajectory_table.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifle_trajectory_table.htm)
The extra recoil, cost ammo etc..............is it worth 10-20 yards of flatter shooting at 300 yards?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2011, 02:59:47 PM
Post by: ckr on February 23, 2011, 03:25:10 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 23, 2011, 03:28:18 PM
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
In the table below, the 300 WSM has about 97% of the recoil velocity and about 92% of the recoil energy for the 300 WM which in my book is about the same, except note that the table is based on a 300 WSM that is 1/4 of a pound lighter. In a rifle of the same weight, you probably start to notice the difference.
I suppose that brings up another point, the 300 WSM uses a shorter action so in theory the same rifle would be a bit lighter which is nice when you are in the field (but negates the recoil bene's)
They are basically the same though. a real upsell for the 300 WM is that the ammo is easier to find and generally cheaper.
Post by: carvermoe on February 23, 2011, 04:42:44 PM
Post by: Rob on February 23, 2011, 05:09:41 PM
Same 180 grain bullets, similar MV.
at 300 Yards, the 300 WM is shooting about .6 inches flatter than the WSM. That extends to about 4 inches when you get to 500 yds.
Post by: 700xcr on February 23, 2011, 08:06:51 PM
Post by: hoyt2002 on February 23, 2011, 08:25:00 PM
Post by: Rob on February 24, 2011, 08:30:35 AM
I really don't think you could go wrong with ether one really. Lots of good points for both.
I say get one of each!
I don't have a horse in this race, they are both great firearms.
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2011, 08:36:19 AM
i want a gun that i can absolutly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down. im looking at tikka for 270wsm and either a rem xcr or browning a bolt for 300 win. what do you guys think i should do?
30-06
Post by: C-Money on February 24, 2011, 08:44:03 AM
:yeah:i want a gun that i can absolutly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down. im looking at tikka for 270wsm and either a rem xcr or browning a bolt for 300 win. what do you guys think i should do?
30-06
Hard to beat the 30-06 for what you are wanting to do. The 270wsm will work just fine, as will the 300wm. If you are not recoil sensitive, go for the 300. The 30-06 would be a great choice though. Guy Eastman shot his bull in Nevada last year at 400 and some odd yards with his 270wsm, that bull did'ent go far.
Post by: Curly on February 24, 2011, 09:18:25 AM
i want a gun that i can absolutly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down. im looking at tikka for 270wsm and either a rem xcr or browning a bolt for 300 win. what do you guys think i should do?
30-06
:yeah: That's what I said, too. Sounds like 30-06 would be perfect for what he is going to want the rifle to do.
Post by: Rob on February 24, 2011, 09:29:57 AM
If they want two rifles, get a 270 WM, and either a 300 WM or a 338 WM.
If they want three rifles, add a 22.250 or 223 to that list.
A guy with a 22.250, a 270 WM and a 338 WM can kill anything on the planet effectively and legally except for the big DG like Buff or elephant... And Ammo will be affordable and easily available as they need it.
Post by: groundhog on February 24, 2011, 10:52:55 AM
If a guy could only have four rifles I think these four would do nicely, 22-250, 270, 300 wm, 375.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 24, 2011, 11:36:40 AM
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If a guy could only have four rifles I think these four would do nicely, 22-250, 270, 300 wm, 375.
My four cartridge choice would be:
243 is a screamin varmint round in lighter bullets. Yes, a little overkill than the 223 or 22-250, but very versital and still great for Pronghorns up through Deer.
30-30win. Everyone should own an iron sighted brush gun. Substitute 308Marlin.
30-06. Will kill anything in Washington and not beat you to death doing it. Substitute 308win.
338winmag. For the times you want something a bit bigger than the venerable ought - Six.
With the exception of 308Marlin, each of these is plentiful on store shelves everywhere.
To answer the OP, I would go with 30-06ai.
Funny, that some would mention recoil and accuracy. The two have nothing to do with each other. NOTHING!
-Steve
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 24, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 24, 2011, 01:43:53 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 24, 2011, 01:53:24 PM
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im not recoil sensitive and i want a gun that i can absoultly knock down what i aim it at and not gona knock me down.
Hmm....
And ammo for a Weatherby costs a whole lot more.
So.. How long before you inherit that gun collection from pops? I mean... You're not pushin him in the grave, right? When you get his guns, maybe you'll pass yours on to your son/daughter or sell yours for something different. Until then, you'll be shootin the ole ought-six for years for a whole lot cheaper than you would be a magnum or Weatherby mag..
-Steve
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2011, 02:01:36 PM
:twocents:
You're not gonna plink with it, right? I see backcountry mule deer when I see that rig.
:drool:
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 24, 2011, 02:04:05 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on February 24, 2011, 02:06:28 PM
I'd buy that Roy in a heartbeat.
:twocents:
You're not gonna plink with it, right? I see backcountry mule deer when I see that rig.
:drool:
ya im thinking about it he's bringing it back from mt next month and im gona shoot it to see how it feels before i do anything
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on February 24, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
@100yds, that 300Roy is ~500fps faster than the same bullet/weight from a 30-06.
Sure, it'll kill, but it sure will damage meat too. Don't get me wrong, I like several Weatherby cartridges. But the 300Roy is not for the 'one gun' hunter.
Identify the game, terrain, expected shooting distances, then choose the cartridge/bullet/rifle.
-Steve