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Title: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: blacktailer on February 23, 2011, 07:01:43 PM: This is one of the greatest rams that ever walked the earth taken in Alberta back in 1911. If memory serves me correct, it took a long time to get its credit and the Martin bovey Ram was listed as the world record. The Welder ram was listed at 208 1/8, but I recall reading somewhere that the score was incorrect and actually netted 208 7/8 which would put it currently as the world record. Guinn D. Crousen's ram taken in 2000 is the "official" world record at 208 3/8. The head burnt up in a fire back in the 70's. To those who don't care about record books or scores, disregard this post. For those that do and appreciate truly massive rams, this is a glimpse at one of the best.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: gasman on February 23, 2011, 07:12:45 PM: Me, I don't care about a score, but that is an impressive ram and you tell a good story.

Thanks :hello:
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: norsepeak on February 23, 2011, 07:30:39 PM: that thing is a giant! It's almost as big as the ram I'm gonna shoot this year. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: huntandjeep on February 23, 2011, 07:48:24 PM: nice ram.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: blacktailer on February 23, 2011, 08:24:10 PM: Quote from: norsepeak on February 23, 2011, 07:30:39 PM
that thing is a giant! It's almost as big as the ram I'm gonna shoot this year. :chuckle:

If you're hunting the Missouri Breaks or Cadomin, Ab I believe you. I think those two areas will one day produce a new world record. Perhaps Thompson Falls or Plains, Mt???
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 23, 2011, 11:24:29 PM: Very cool ram! wow!
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: C-Money on February 23, 2011, 11:29:56 PM: Wow! Huge! He is very impressive! :drool:
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: bowhunterforever on February 24, 2011, 01:21:46 AM: I want one :drool:
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: bearhunter99 on February 24, 2011, 06:08:06 AM: That is truly a legend, the mass on that guy is truly amazing.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: Ironhead on February 24, 2011, 07:13:56 AM: A true legend, thanks.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: bearpaw on February 24, 2011, 07:17:57 AM: Incredible mass.... could use a new mount though... :chuckle:
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: jackelope on February 24, 2011, 07:30:40 AM: I saw a ram mount at the Jack OConnor Hunting Heritage Center in Lewiston, ID a couple years ago that is a record ram of some kind...If I remember correctly the mount is a reproduction. I've got pics of it at home on my computer there. I'll post them later.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: agchawk on February 24, 2011, 08:15:37 AM: Quote from: blacktailer on February 23, 2011, 08:24:10 PM
Quote from: norsepeak on February 23, 2011, 07:30:39 PM
that thing is a giant! It's almost as big as the ram I'm gonna shoot this year. :chuckle:

If you're hunting the Missouri Breaks or Cadomin, Ab I believe you. I think those two areas will one day produce a new world record. Perhaps Thompson Falls or Plains, Mt???

I have quite a bit of family in Plains and Paradise Montana and I can tell ya, there are some beasts in there!

The ram above is an absolute brute! I love lookin' at the old time beasts of the past. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: engelwood on February 28, 2011, 10:22:40 PM: That thing is a pig. Too bad it isn't on a better looking mount. I'm assuming taxidermy during those days was a little prehistoric??? LOL
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: jackelope on February 28, 2011, 11:10:29 PM: This is the ram at the Hunting Heritage center. I can't make out the wording on it.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj139%2FBAILEYDAD%2FIMG_0988.jpg&hash=c8fe4e8c2870b7dcbbfe7424dfc960e1ae25edf8)

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi79.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj139%2FBAILEYDAD%2FIMG_0987.jpg&hash=3334b75c43e6fa852ca5a95f102d3710c9d12dff)
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2011, 07:29:10 AM: On this monitor I can read the sign under it.

It says...
Washington Chapter
FNAWS
Federation for North American Wild Sheep
Reproduction of the Idaho State Record
Found in Hells Canyon 1986(maybe 1986 anyway)
197 7/8 B/C
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: blacktailer on March 01, 2011, 08:27:18 AM: Wow Jack, what a Toad. The Snake River Breaks would also be up there with units capable producing 200 inch rams. Whoever did the reproducttions and taxidermy work also did a nice job. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2011, 08:35:53 AM: Thanks. That little museum honoring Jack OConnor is a great little place. I would encourage anyone passing through Lewiston to stop in and check it out, especially if you like big rams.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: blacktailer on March 01, 2011, 10:40:36 AM: When I went to school at the U of I back in the early 90's they also had a tribute to Jack O' Conner in the natural histroy building with quite a display there also. Have these items been moved down to Lewiston or are there two separate museums???
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: jackelope on March 01, 2011, 10:47:41 AM: I really don't know. This place is a building just off the parking lot at Hell's Gate State Park if I remember correctly. I've got a bunch of pics of the mounts on my pooter at home. I should start a new thread. I did a thread a long time ago but I see I deleted the pics out of my photobucket account. Lots of Africa stuff, all sorts of sheep, some bomber muleys, etc. There's a few of his rifles there, a couple of bows made out of sheep horn(neat). I will post some more pics tonight if I get a chance in a new thread.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: GoldTip on March 01, 2011, 10:48:49 AM: I am not sure the rams around the Plains/Thompson Falls area's carry their mass quite as well as the Missouri Breaks/Cadomin rams do, which I think gives them a leg up on creating more of the 200" rams. The last ram I heard killed over or right at 200" around Thompson Falls was back in the early 90's I believe. If I recall correctly the Cadomin rams came from the Missouri breaks herd, or the other way around, not sure which it was, anyone else know?

This ram posted at the start of the thread is incredible. Give me a shot and a tag at a 180 ram and I'll be quivering in my boots!
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: blacktailer on March 01, 2011, 06:48:39 PM: I think you may be right Goldtip. Thomplson Falls area was the ticket back in the 90's. I remember seeing a pics of a couple of native killed rams that came off the Flathead Res. (if I remember right) they were both supposedly over 200 but I could not confirm. Cadomin and Missouri Breaks seem to be the ticket these days. I was not aware that the Cadomin rams came from the Breaks. I would have thought just the opposite???
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: big t on July 06, 2014, 08:31:59 AM: Hello,
I'm writing this in reference to the big horn taken by Fred Welder. This persons last name was spelled Weiler not Welder. If you look the ram up in the BC record book you will see it was also misspelled (Weiller). I had a chance to have this head several years ago but couldn't take it across the Canadian border without proof of ownership or record of licenses. Yes the head did burn up in a house fire.
I am not meaning to offend anyone by writing this and I'm sorry if I did. The reason I have knowledge of this beautiful sheep is because I'm the nephew of Fred Weiler. In fact my dad as a younger brother of Fred helped butcher this sheep.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: C-Money on July 06, 2014, 08:48:25 AM: Thanks for the info big t, and welcome to the site!!
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: starbailey on July 07, 2014, 07:34:33 AM: Neat info and pics. Thanks all for sharing.
Title: Re: Rare glimpse at an ex-world record. The Fred Welder Bighorn 208 1/8
Post by: MLBowhunting on July 08, 2014, 08:58:49 AM: :yeah: