Post by: ivarhusa on February 25, 2011, 04:35:31 PM
But I have this decent '06 that 'kicks too much'. I hear guys with 300 WinMags touting their recoil reduction porting. Can it be done effectively on the modestly thin barrel of a 700 ADL? That is, is there enough metal there to direct enough gas aft to get a good recoil reduction?
Are there bolt-on (gunsmithed of course) solutions?
What might it cost to do such a job?
The alternative might be to just get a 243, but I like the idea of 'enough gun' for big game. Especially when the gun is already paid for!
What say you, oh wizen'd ones?
Post by: birdwacker on February 25, 2011, 04:41:58 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on February 25, 2011, 04:54:33 PM
Stay away from magna-port and get a muzzle brake instead.
ditto. I'm assuming you already have a good recoil pad?
Post by: FC on February 25, 2011, 04:57:44 PM
Stay away from magna-port and get a muzzle brake instead.
ditto. I'm assuming you already have a good recoil pad?
If you don't have a Limbsaver on it yet I would try that first.
Post by: ivarhusa on February 25, 2011, 05:00:58 PM
I am also looking at, for deer now, downloading some 125 gr pills. That ought to take down the recoil a good bit (probably more than a recoil reducer). But that is insufficient for real big game such as elk and bear. And what hunter doesn't aspire?
Post by: FC on February 25, 2011, 05:04:33 PM
Post by: 400out on February 25, 2011, 05:05:59 PM
Post by: MikeWalking on February 25, 2011, 05:12:38 PM
With your pad being 40? years old, it might be worthless/turned to hard to work.. :dunno:
Post by: FC on February 25, 2011, 05:18:55 PM
Haven't tried the Limbsaver,
I'll let you try mine Mike, I'll even put the OE pad back on my Baikal 12ga so you can REALLY feel the difference.
Post by: MikeWalking on February 25, 2011, 05:20:52 PM
Haven't tried the Limbsaver,
I'll let you try mine Mike, I'll even put the OE pad back on my Baikal 12ga so you can REALLY feel the difference.
Trying to hurt me? :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: FC on February 25, 2011, 05:37:42 PM
Trying to hurt me? :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: That thing just wasn't much fun to shoot even one 3" load through with the OE pad but with the limbsaver you can shoot 50+ without bruising, I was impressed to say the least.
The offer stands though if you want to see the difference but I'll set you up with 2 3/4 shells, at your age I wouldn't want to risk you falling and breaking a hip :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: MikeWalking on February 25, 2011, 05:55:58 PM
Trying to hurt me? :chuckle: :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: That thing just wasn't much fun to shoot even one 3" load through with the OE pad but with the limbsaver you can shoot 50+ without bruising, I was impressed to say the least.
The offer stands though if you want to see the difference but I'll set you up with 2 3/4 shells, at your age I wouldn't want to risk you falling and breaking a hip :chuckle: :chuckle:
OH IT"S ON!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: I'll let you shoot some Buffalo Bore 430's with the factory plastic buttplate...
Post by: FC on February 25, 2011, 06:03:44 PM
OH IT"S ON!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: I'll let you shoot some Buffalo Bore 430's with the factory plastic buttplate...
Haha! As long as I can shoot it offhand! The last time I shot a 45/70 with Buffalo Bore loads was from a bench with just that factory buttplate for padding, one shot was as much of that fun as I wanted to have!
Post by: carvermoe on February 26, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Post by: superdown on February 26, 2011, 01:57:36 PM
Post by: Huntbear on February 26, 2011, 02:02:18 PM
The one I put on my brother's rifle took his .338 wm down to about the same recoil as a .308.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 26, 2011, 02:05:31 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on February 26, 2011, 03:51:37 PM
Post by: ivarhusa on February 27, 2011, 01:36:08 PM
I guess my first question is how well does the rifle fit you?I just checked the fit, and length of pull is about right, so I don't think I need to tinker with that. I had shortened the wood when I installed the recoil pad, keeping the original length of pull. As a medium-frame guy (5'8"), it seems about right.
The suggestion of using 125 gr pills will be taken, that being the greatest contributor to reduced recoil of any of these strategies (I think).
My path will be to get the LimbSaver on, and load up some more 125gr pills, and see how that feels. Leave the Magna-port or other muzzle brake as a last resort. There is some sentiment in this piece, as it was my first high-power rifle, purchased when I was in high school. (I must confess that I have not made much progress, as now 40 years later I only own two high power rifles. :yike: )
Post by: bobcat on February 27, 2011, 02:11:32 PM
Post by: FC on February 27, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
Post by: ivarhusa on February 27, 2011, 03:47:56 PM
I was about to make a joke about "How many grains of Unique?" and chose to Google before I spoke. It turns out a few people have been using it in the big case. Still, it doesn't seem like too great an idea. Unique would leave a pretty empty case.
Looking at a few more links on downloads for the '06, I see that IMR 4759 is recommended as a fast bulky powder.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imrpowder.com%2Fimages%2FSR4759-Bottle.jpg&hash=1e221546139786d56b6a2650dd3b6598559e9cb5)
I haven't found a specific load for 125gr pill with 4759, but observe that one web site reports 25grs were used behind a 165 gr projectile. That suggests that a combined projectile+powder weight of 150gr is possible. That compares with my current load of 165+51=216gr. That is a 30% reduction in mass, which is significant.
Post by: bobcat on February 27, 2011, 04:00:51 PM
Post by: ivarhusa on February 27, 2011, 05:12:32 PM
Hodgdon also recommends their H4895 for reduced loads: http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf (http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf)
That's good to know, as I have that powder in the house.