Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: bearpaw on March 06, 2011, 08:58:50 AM
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This USFWS information is based on what was found in 2 months in a small portion of Wyoming being studied. This is what we will see in northeast Washington once wolves become more established, hello wolves, goodbye elk and moose.... >:( >:( >:(
You have to wonder how many they didn't find... >:( >:( >:(
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/wyomingstatus2011/03042011.html (http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/wyomingstatus2011/03042011.html)
RESEARCH
During January and February 2011, 2 field crews from the USFWS and Grand Teton collected 26 carcasses of ungulates killed by wolves in the north end of Grand Teton National Park and the surrounding national forest.
Prey species included:
Elk = 14 (54%)
Moose = 10 (38%)
Deer = 2 (8%)
Age/Sex composition of ungulates killed by wolves included:
Elk:
Cows = 3 (21.4%)
Bulls = 8 (57.1%)
Calves = 3 (21.4%)
Moose:
Cows = 5 (50%)
Bulls = 2 (20%)
Calves = 1 (10%)
1 adult w/unknown sex = 1 (10%)
1 w/unknown age/sex = 1 (10%)
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Currently WDFW is issueing about 120 moose permits per year.
Any person with nominal intelligence can see that the wolf impacts will exceed current hunting harvests, thus moose hunting will eventually be greatly reduced if not eliminated in Washington.
Based only on what was found during the 2 month study.
26 carcasses x 6 = 156 Animals Annually (found in an area in WY smaller than Washington's current moose range)
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So what i want to know is when you overlay the cougar kill on the wolf kill, and the occasional coyote kill, what is the imact.
If you took to cougar % it would be the oppsite of the wolf kill. i.e. the deer would be the higher percentage. add it all up and we are the lesser predator out there. But go back 25 years ago when we kept the cats and dogs under control...
By the way i am hungry.
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Here's the problem: We currently have a delicate balance, cougar, coyote, bear, human hunters, cars, feral dogs, hard winters, and poachers all have an impact on our herds. Modern game management has carefully managed all these factors and allowed big game herds in most cases to grow.
When you throw in unmanaged numbers of wolves, even an unhunted population of elk and moose like there was in Yellowstone cannot maintain their herd numbers and so the real problem with wolves being introduced is that the huggers will not allow management to happen. If wolf numbers would have been kept to the original numbers of 100 per state as agreed, they would have fit into modern management.
There simply isn't room for unmanaged wolf numbers. :twocents:
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Just bumping this up for anyone who does not seem to know what wolves eat. :dunno:
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If something isn't done soon there will be no more deer or elk. Bad management with be the death of what we all love to do.
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So what i want to know is when you overlay the cougar kill on the wolf kill, and the occasional coyote kill, what is the imact.
If you took to cougar % it would be the oppsite of the wolf kill. i.e. the deer would be the higher percentage. add it all up and we are the lesser predator out there. But go back 25 years ago when we kept the cats and dogs under control...
By the way i am hungry.
somebody forgot the bears, and their toll on fawns / calves
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never forget
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