Post by: DD8 on March 14, 2011, 10:26:32 AM
Post by: Oldguy on March 14, 2011, 10:56:53 AM
Post by: Special T on March 14, 2011, 11:19:28 AM
Post by: Miles on March 14, 2011, 11:20:54 AM
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-XPG8482-Bivy-Sack/746895.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dxpg%2Bbivy%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=xpg+bivy&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-XPG8482-Bivy-Sack/746895.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dxpg%2Bbivy%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=xpg+bivy&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products)
1.38 lbs
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Golite one person tent $120 (with DSW10 coupon code)
https://www.golite.com/Product/ProdDetail.aspx?p=370001110&mc=&t=&lat= (https://www.golite.com/Product/ProdDetail.aspx?p=370001110&mc=&t=&lat=)
1 lb 3 oz
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Post by: jackmaster on March 14, 2011, 12:28:33 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on March 14, 2011, 12:34:43 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on March 14, 2011, 12:34:55 PM
Post by: JPhelps on March 14, 2011, 12:57:34 PM
We all look for different things in our shelter. I personally can't handle a bivy sack. I can't deal with mice crawling on my bag or over my face (certain kinds of bivy sacks). I also have been on hunts where weather has had us holed up for a day or two and I'm glad I had a tent. You may be able to get by with a tarp for shelter during a big storm.
If you are open to suggestions you may take a look into ultralight one man tents. Henry Shires tarp tents work great and are lighter most of the time than a bivy/tarp combo. There are also many other good manufacturers of lightweight tents. Now if you don't mind sharing a tent even more weight can be saved overall. There are some issues with tents though. They can't be setup everywhere. They need a relatively flat spot to setup.
Post by: CastleRocker on March 14, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
I like the looks of that Golite tent though!
Post by: swanny on March 14, 2011, 08:17:18 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 14, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
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I can't deal with mice crawling on my bag or over my face (certain kinds of bivy sacks).:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Me too, I hate those little suckers when they run all over you and your tent at night.
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 14, 2011, 08:33:03 PM
Post by: DD8 on March 15, 2011, 07:18:35 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 15, 2011, 07:58:38 AM
I would go with a light weight 1 man tent over a bivy any day.
Depends on where I'm at. The tent is nice if I want to keep my gear covered too, but the light bivy with a 4 ouce hammock, thus no added weight for a sleep mat, is pounds lighter than even a very light tent. Bivy/sleeping bag/hammock is a lot more comfortable too. (unless you're a really big guy, might not be feasable)
Out Door Research and others make some nice bivy's. I use an older model OR bag, but picked up a USMC bag late last fall that I haven't used yet. The USMC model is a little heavier.
-Steve
Post by: Rob on March 15, 2011, 08:47:55 AM
I'm going to try one of these this year I think:
http://www.hennessyhammock.com/specs-explorerUL.html (http://www.hennessyhammock.com/specs-explorerUL.html)
you can set them up using trecking poles if there are no trees around.
-2 pounds 9 oz.
-you are off the ground (a bit cooler than tents I guess but no mice!)
-you have a covered area to get out of the rain, cook, etc
Here is more than you would ever want to know about hammock camping:
http://www.hikinghq.net/hammock/hammock.html (http://www.hikinghq.net/hammock/hammock.html)
(follow the 7 pages of links at the bottom of the page)
Post by: quadrafire on March 15, 2011, 09:06:15 AM
I'd like to see that
you can set them up using trecking poles if there are no trees around.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 15, 2011, 09:46:37 AM
I'd like to see that
you can set them up using trecking poles if there are no trees around.
Me Too!
Referencing the photo above, I'll seldom hang my hammock in an open area like that. I try to find trees that are very near the total length of my hammock and back in the thicker brush/trees. You get much less sag in the lines/hammock that way and less potential to blow in the wind. No mice when you're off the ground, but the squirels and other tree dwellers will com check you out. I'm always amazed at how many birds land on the lines in the morning. OH, and I find that i'm warmer in a hammock than when on the ground. Keep it low to the ground without touching.
Post by: Maligator on March 15, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
Post by: Rob on March 15, 2011, 04:21:29 PM
I'd like to see that
you can set them up using trecking poles if there are no trees around.
Here you go:
http://www.hennessyhammock.com/use-as-a-tent.html (http://www.hennessyhammock.com/use-as-a-tent.html)
Post by: quadrafire on March 15, 2011, 05:13:20 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 15, 2011, 10:09:47 PM
-Steve
Post by: sakoshooter on March 15, 2011, 10:21:08 PM
Most bivys weight about a pound but only cover your bag. The OR Advanced bivy creates a hooped area that's darn nice but it weighs about 2 pounds. Both of these options are not counting what you're going to have to use to cover the rest of your gear with. Another pound for that. A tent is not that much more in weight but provides a lot more shelter.
I sure like sleeping under the stars on clear nites though.
Post by: DD8 on March 16, 2011, 08:37:46 AM
Post by: Miles on March 16, 2011, 08:51:40 AM
Wow, this is quite the conundrum. My gut was to go with my ultralite tent (3.8 lbs) for storage and room but my buddy tells me I don't want the extra weight. I feel like i'm not gonna enjoy the confines of the bivy but the weight saved will be nice. Geez.
The bivy I put a picture of on the first page is 1 lb 6 oz, the tent is 1 lb 3 oz. You can get some shelters that you can move around in and sit up in that are lighter than a bivy....so I'm not sure how you're saving weight? If I were you I would keep researching a little before deciding....
Post by: Miles on March 16, 2011, 08:56:14 AM
Now being trapped in a bivy trying to get ready in a rainstorm...or in a tent that I can stand up in....not a hard decision (for me anyway). ;)
Post by: JPhelps on March 16, 2011, 09:06:09 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 16, 2011, 12:53:28 PM
If I had partners, then I'd probably opt for tent and sleeping mat. Without a partner, I'm lookin to shave ounces.
-Steve
Post by: Snapshot on March 18, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
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Post by: JBR on March 22, 2011, 04:36:37 PM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 22, 2011, 07:32:24 PM
Post by: Snapshot on March 22, 2011, 08:28:34 PM
Post by: dscubame on March 22, 2011, 08:33:04 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 22, 2011, 08:38:46 PM
Post by: luvtohnt on March 22, 2011, 08:45:00 PM
Brandon
Post by: dscubame on March 22, 2011, 08:46:09 PM
My guide on Kodiak had the Kifaru teepee with the liner to cut down on the moisture. There was still alot of condensation even in 20 degree weather. There was 3 of us in a supposed 6 man but I wouldn't want to put many more guys in there than that. It was a nice light weight tent and instead of packing the center pole we just cut a pole at each camp site. The guide has sent his in to get it fixed due to some damage from the high winds. They arent cheap but from my experience worth it. :twocents:
A good reason for one but a simple very light tarp for $3 from harbor freight does the same thing and extremely practical.
Post by: JPhelps on March 22, 2011, 09:01:34 PM
Seriously what is the purpose of a "tent" when it is a bivy? It is simply a very very very light weight wrap around your bag by a few inches and it is not like bugs / flying insects are a issue. No need for one quite frankly.
Just personal preference. I do NOT want to be in a bivy or under a tarp. My shelter also weighs the same as the other two options. Most of the time I pack my rainshadow2 for me and the partner. I have done my research and it is awful hard to get any better for the room that this tent provides for the weight (42 oz. for 50 sq. ft. and 4 ft. tall). I can get dressed sitting up without leaving my tent.
Post by: dscubame on March 22, 2011, 09:02:34 PM
My guide on Kodiak had the Kifaru teepee with the liner to cut down on the moisture. There was still alot of condensation even in 20 degree weather. There was 3 of us in a supposed 6 man but I wouldn't want to put many more guys in there than that. It was a nice light weight tent and instead of packing the center pole we just cut a pole at each camp site. The guide has sent his in to get it fixed due to some damage from the high winds. They arent cheap but from my experience worth it. :twocents:
A good reason for one but a simple very light tarp for $3 from harbor freight does the same thing and extremely practical.
And condensation is not a factor when you do not have a difference in temperature.
Post by: dscubame on March 22, 2011, 09:04:19 PM
Seriously what is the purpose of a "tent" when it is a bivy? It is simply a very very very light weight wrap around your bag by a few inches and it is not like bugs / flying insects are a issue. No need for one quite frankly.
Just personal preference. I do NOT want to be in a bivy or under a tarp. My shelter also weighs the same as the other two options. Most of the time I pack my rainshadow2 for me and the partner. I have done my research and it is awful hard to get any better for the room that this tent provides for the weight (42 oz. for 50 sq. ft. and 4 ft. tall). I can get dressed sitting up without leaving my tent.
A bivy is not a shelter but then that is my point.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 22, 2011, 09:10:02 PM
Post by: dscubame on March 22, 2011, 09:10:58 PM
Bivy is best used on summer back packing trips when in a rainstorm you can put your pack cover over your back pack and crawl in your bivy out of the rain for a short time. I have packed a bivy into high mountain lakes to take along just incase a rain storm comes thru but they suck when you have to change clothes inside. Atleast with a tarp or tent you can cook inside and have your gear inside with you where as a bivy you have to go outside to change your mind!! :chuckle::yeah:
Post by: JPhelps on March 22, 2011, 09:16:20 PM
~Will it keep you and your bag dry in inclement weather?
~Is it lightweight?
~Personal Preference
Post by: Miles on March 23, 2011, 12:50:02 AM
I have done my research and it is awful hard to get any better for the room that this tent provides for the weight (42 oz. for 50 sq. ft. and 4 ft. tall). I can get dressed sitting up without leaving my tent.
I just purchased the Golite Shangri-La 5 and it's (46 oz. for 90 sq. ft. and 6 ft. tall).
You can also use a rope to suspend it from the loop on the top of the tent rather than carrying the pole(if you are in a wooded area), and that will save you 13 oz. (putting it at 33 oz. for 90 sq. ft.).
Post by: bullchaser on March 23, 2011, 02:10:27 AM
anyway this is why the bivi works for me i know its not for everone but if you can loose some of the comforts of a tent you might find you love the bivi too. here is a pic of my older set up.
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Post by: Miles on March 23, 2011, 03:16:40 AM
Why not just use a pyramid type shelter and be done with it, rather than carrying a bivy that's stuffed size is 15 x 4 inches and then carrying a tarp on top of that?
I contemplated a set up like yours but then thought why not go with the tipi shelter for about 10 ounces more than your bivy weighs(this includes the stakes and poles), and I don't need a tarp. With this set-up my bag and gear is inside and out of the elements, and I can basically stand up to get dressed in the morning.
Instead of carrying a sleeping bag, pad, bivy, and tarp....I'm carrying a sleeping bag, pad, and shelter with 90 square feet of room that will remain dry and usable (for the same amount of weight).
Stake down 5 corners, throw the pole up in the middle, and you're done. About the same amount of time that you take to tie off and stake down that tarp in your picture.
As far as the bivy being a waterproof sack to carry your bag in....they have waterproof compression sacks that weigh a couple ounces and actually take up less room, all the while compressing your bag to a smaller size.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 23, 2011, 05:40:37 AM
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Post by: bullchaser on March 23, 2011, 07:42:17 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 24, 2011, 10:43:47 AM
Yea its always nice to be in a bivy in -25 degree weather with snow as I did one deer/elk season in MT. Believe me it's not fun when you get snow and you are in a bivy. Then when you want to get out and put your boots on and it is pouring rain or snowing it is even more fun. But to each is own.
Agree 100%. Especially the older you get, and the more trips under your belt. I will sacrifice a little more weight for a dry night and dry boots. :twocents:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 24, 2011, 12:28:54 PM
What do you do with your packs when it rains?
Why not just use a pyramid type shelter and be done with it, rather than carrying a bivy that's stuffed size is 15 x 4 inches and then carrying a tarp on top of that?
When you glass for deer are you only looking in the open meadows? No! We look under the bows of evergreens and overhanging bushes not to mention the sheltered faces of the hillside. Last year in the Pasayten the rain came while I was away from camp. And it poured. I found a nice low slung fir and crawled right in. Dry as a bone! I've rolled out my bivy in such spots before. No, you can't stand up, and yes the T-pee or other tent is nice for when you plan to experience the weather and will carry the weight. But when the weather is good, go lighter yet, and be prepaired to improvise if an unexpected weather system comes through. What do I do with my pack? Hang it if I can. Out of the weather.
Looking at Bullchaser's bivy/tarp camp photo, That would not be me. My Bivy would be in a net hammock well back into those evergreens.
-Steve