Post by: colockumelk on March 19, 2011, 08:11:18 PM
Here's my questions:
1.) How many Cubic inches will I need in a pack to carry enough gear for 4 days in a wilderness area.
2.) Should I leave the external frame at the truck or bring it with me?
3.) What is your back country set up?
Thanks for any advice. I've only done the wilderness thing once and I'm trying to steepen my learning curve by using your advice and experiences. Thanks again.
Post by: luvtohnt on March 19, 2011, 08:22:07 PM
Brandon
Post by: luvtohnt on March 19, 2011, 08:31:11 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,6294.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,6294.0.html)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,1398.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,1398.0.html)
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,15404.0.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,15404.0.html)
Brandon
Post by: scoutsniper17 on March 19, 2011, 08:43:56 PM
Post by: Tim on March 20, 2011, 06:10:43 AM
Tim
Post by: teanawayslayer on March 20, 2011, 06:45:07 AM
Post by: timberghost72 on March 20, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 20, 2011, 07:37:56 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 20, 2011, 07:56:01 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 20, 2011, 09:16:07 PM
So are you only going with one pack? How far in the wilderness do you plan on going? Reason I ask how far in is comfort when packing in and packing out with a heavy load if you get an animal. Reason I ask about the one pack is if you plan on having a base camp then not using a smaller pack to do your day hunts with. A pack like say the Eberlestock Blue Widow or one of the other expandables works nice. That way when you choose to take the pack along when hunting the size of the pack you went in with can be made smaller. Also when you get a deer you can expand it and make one load out. But some people make multiple trips out. Just a few things to consider. You will get a variety of suggestions. There was a guy on here a month or so ago asking the similar question. So you can do a search also and find peoples input. :twocents:
I guess my main question is which one should I do.
#1 Buy a Eberlestock Blue Widow/Badlands 4500 etc and put all my gear in it. Then if I shoot something put 1/4 of an elk in the pack along with my gear and head to the truck. Grab my external frame pack and head back up the mountain.
#2 Strap an Eberlestock Blue Widow/Badlands 4500 etc to an external frame (Bull Pac or Nimrod) and hunt with it like that. Then get an animal. Strap a 1/4 of an elk to the pack frame and lash my pack to that and head to the truck. Drop both off and head back up with only my Packframe.
I guess another question is how comfortable is an internal frame pack compared to an external frame pack. Both with just your gear and also with your gear plus 1/4 of an elk. Can the Blue Widow or 4500 handle a 1/4 of an elk plus your gear????
Post by: Coastal_native on March 20, 2011, 09:49:17 PM
when you get the answer you're looking for...share it with me and let me know how it works :chuckle:. I've been on a quest over the last year to become a smarter wilderness backpacker. I've been doing a lot of research on how to pack light for extended back packing trips. I do really good on trips that only last a few days, but it really takes some planning to make for a comforatable week+ long trip, especially if you're hunting too.
Post by: timberghost72 on March 20, 2011, 09:59:25 PM
I've been using a Kelty 4500 internal frame. I'm looking into swithing to the Kelty Cache Hauler with a waterproof dufflebag that can be thrown on, or maybe a seabag. Just hook the gear on, or take it off for packing out. A buddy uses a pack from Cabelas in which the 'pack' detaches so he has the shelf to mount the game bags for the pack out. I have found for the long range hunts, the pack fit makes a bigger difference than the weight. My pack for 4 days is between 75-85 pounds (with very little water...I plan my route through watering holes), and the biggest killer is the belt. If I can't get the belt portion tight enough, then the pack feels heavy.
:yike: Holy cow! 75-80lbs for 4 days? What are you packing thats so heavy? Just curious.
Post by: JLS on March 20, 2011, 10:00:17 PM
I've been using a Kelty 4500 internal frame. I'm looking into swithing to the Kelty Cache Hauler with a waterproof dufflebag that can be thrown on, or maybe a seabag. Just hook the gear on, or take it off for packing out. A buddy uses a pack from Cabelas in which the 'pack' detaches so he has the shelf to mount the game bags for the pack out. I have found for the long range hunts, the pack fit makes a bigger difference than the weight. My pack for 4 days is between 75-85 pounds (with very little water...I plan my route through watering holes), and the biggest killer is the belt. If I can't get the belt portion tight enough, then the pack feels heavy.
Holy Cow, you taking a couple of sides of ribs and a BBQ?
Post by: JLS on March 20, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
1/4 of an elk plus gear is pretty ambitious. The reality is you're looking at five trips with elk and gear, unless it's a small spike and then you might do it in 4.So are you only going with one pack? How far in the wilderness do you plan on going? Reason I ask how far in is comfort when packing in and packing out with a heavy load if you get an animal. Reason I ask about the one pack is if you plan on having a base camp then not using a smaller pack to do your day hunts with. A pack like say the Eberlestock Blue Widow or one of the other expandables works nice. That way when you choose to take the pack along when hunting the size of the pack you went in with can be made smaller. Also when you get a deer you can expand it and make one load out. But some people make multiple trips out. Just a few things to consider. You will get a variety of suggestions. There was a guy on here a month or so ago asking the similar question. So you can do a search also and find peoples input. :twocents:
I guess my main question is which one should I do.
#1 Buy a Eberlestock Blue Widow/Badlands 4500 etc and put all my gear in it. Then if I shoot something put 1/4 of an elk in the pack along with my gear and head to the truck. Grab my external frame pack and head back up the mountain.
#2 Strap an Eberlestock Blue Widow/Badlands 4500 etc to an external frame (Bull Pac or Nimrod) and hunt with it like that. Then get an animal. Strap a 1/4 of an elk to the pack frame and lash my pack to that and head to the truck. Drop both off and head back up with only my Packframe.
I guess another question is how comfortable is an internal frame pack compared to an external frame pack. Both with just your gear and also with your gear plus 1/4 of an elk. Can the Blue Widow or 4500 handle a 1/4 of an elk plus your gear????
The quality of the internal frame will make a lot of difference in comfort. I have a Dana Design that I've loaded up with close to 100 pounds of elk meat. It's not comfortable, but what is at that point?
I do option 1. I hunt with a smaller pack and leave the frame or the Dana at the trailhead. You've got to get camp out anyway. Haul camp and some meat out, and pack meat out from the trailhead.
My early season pack for 2-5 days is a Badlands 2800, total pack weight including water is 35-42 pounds depending on number of days/amount of food. Obviously later season trips the weight goes up. The first backpack hunt I did in November I was carrying about 65 pounds. But, I've significantly upgraded (lightened) my gear since then too.
Post by: JLS on March 20, 2011, 10:15:07 PM
I think my Dana is 5500 cubes and is out of production. I just looked and it's the Bridger model.
Another thought on carrying heavy weights. I honestly don't know how you would be able to carry out a big buck plus your camp in one trip? If you bone out the deer you're looking at 75-85 pounds, plus at least 20 plus for your camp. What about antlers? Cape?
Be smart, and think about what you're doing to your body. I packed a bear (boned meat, full hide, head) plus my daypack out in one trip on a frame. I ruined the frame and could hardly walk for two days afterwards. That's hard on your hips and knees. Take two trips and save some wear on your body so that you can hunt another year.
Post by: Crookedknife on March 20, 2011, 10:42:32 PM
I used to use external frame packs, then swore off them forever after I first used an internal frame pack that was fitted to me. I find they're more forgiving in brushy areas, and they seem to hold the weight in a way that's more manageable during scrambling. Having a sweaty back on hot days has been a small price to pay, but everybody's different.
I'd recommend reading up on lightweight backpacking. Basically, you examine what you normally take, leave out anything that you don't really need or the function of which is already covered by something else, and choose the lightest versions of what's left. Some guys can hike a week with a pack that starts off under 10 lbs (counting everything but food & water), but these people typically aren't hunters and don't use durable equipment. Still, applying the same techniques to backpack hunting can have a big impact on pack weight, meaning a hunter can spend less energy lugging around a heavy pack and will be able to pack more meat.
Hope this helps. My backpack plan for my first major hunt is to pick up a Kifaru pack or try to adapt a Granite Gear pack for hunting.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 20, 2011, 11:17:18 PM
Post by: colockumelk on March 21, 2011, 04:32:29 PM
Post by: swanny on March 21, 2011, 07:55:02 PM
I know from the time I first started backpacking to now, I have probably dropped my total pack weight 15lbs by getting rid of extra stuff that I used to take a long for the extreme worst case scenario. It takes time, but you start figuring out your system. Food, water, shelter, clothing, etc.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 21, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
Since you mentioned elk I would either go with this and a good external frame pack back in your vehicle. That way you are more versitle. A few of the guides I have used in Alaska used Barney external framed packs(but they are not cheap). They could put a whole grizzly hide in and put some of their other stuff tied to the outside and in the external pockets. But if you already have a good external that you like go with it, or have your friend buy a good external and load him up!! :chuckle: :chuckle:
I haven't had any experiences with Black Creek but heard good things about them. :twocents:
Post by: JLS on March 22, 2011, 09:41:27 AM
A friend has a Black's Creek and likes it. Another friend has an Eberlstock and likes it. I don't like the way the Eberlstock's fit if they have the rifle scabbard. I think they have added compression straps to remedy this, otherwise the weight pulls out and away from you so the balance is awkward.
Put 60 lbs of rock salt in them and find a treadmill. See how comfortable they are. The Mystery Ranch packs are spendy, but very high quality. I'd buy the Bighorn if I had three bills laying around.
I've used a Badlands 4500 and they're okay. Don't be afraid to look for a mountaineering pack to use either. I got my Dana for $200 on Craigslist, and it's ten times the pack that the Badlands 4500 is.
Good luck.
Also, check out this site for info. They're pretty fanatical on the lightweight aspect.
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/index.html (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/index.html)
This one is very good, one of my favorite.
http://www.verber.com/mark/outdoors/gear/index.html (http://www.verber.com/mark/outdoors/gear/index.html)
Post by: halflife65 on March 22, 2011, 10:12:22 AM
In fact, I'm going to sell my Osprey and Badlands (already sold one of these and now will sell the second) day packs. No need for them anymore. The Mystery Ranch is a bit heavy but makes up for it in comfort, stability and load packing ability. It's more comfortable than my 3000 cubic inch Osprey (with frame) and the Badlands is a SuperDay with no frame. Hard to carry heavy loads with it although it is a tough, good pack. I used it for years and there is nothing wrong with it - I just want to be able to carry out a load of meat if I get one because I hunt a long ways from the road a lot of the time. If I hunted closer to the road I would keep using it. Good pack for most areas of the Colockum/Naneum (which is behind my house and I do hike it - I call it "hiking with a bow" because there are no elk - and places like that.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 23, 2011, 06:20:10 PM
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Post by: colockumelk on April 03, 2011, 06:21:04 AM
Post by: ORCA_SIX on April 03, 2011, 07:31:41 AM
Mystery Ranch or Kifaru - can't go wrong with either. Both really good, made in the USA packs.
I second the Mystery Ranch brand. They are the :crap:. I have used quite a few packs over the years, Osprey, MountainSmith, Arterycx, Mountain Hardwear, etc. Mystery Ranch is solid and comfortable.
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on April 03, 2011, 08:01:45 AM
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Post by: ORCA_SIX on April 03, 2011, 10:08:16 AM
http://www.mysteryranch.com/s.nl/c.999464/sc.8/.f (http://www.mysteryranch.com/s.nl/c.999464/sc.8/.f)
Post by: Dansk on April 03, 2011, 10:25:08 AM
http://shop.kuiu.com/packs-c7.aspx (http://shop.kuiu.com/packs-c7.aspx)
Post by: Ridgerunner on April 03, 2011, 10:57:10 AM
Post by: halflife65 on April 03, 2011, 11:04:10 AM
Post by: MDGrand on April 15, 2011, 10:00:50 AM
I just got my Crew Cab with Nice Frame in Multi Cam (to get this pattern, go to the military pack link and not the hunting pack link).
From my first impressions.. really study and built. Love how it expands and contracts, the Frame is super sturdy. This pack is truely the only fully capable hyrbid pack. it can start off small and grow real easy. Love the seperate load cells you can buy, makes choosing to pack certain things a breeze.
I sold my Eberlestock and REI Mars pack because of what this pack can do.
EXPENSIVE.. But I truely believe based on how this pack fits and feels that it will be th last one I ever need. Awesome warranty too.
in case anyone needs a visual.. here are some pics and and link to what sold me:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/40542035@N08/tags/nicecrewcab/show/with/5117844085 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/40542035@N08/tags/nicecrewcab/show/with/5117844085)
:twocents:
Post by: fair-chase on April 15, 2011, 10:04:04 AM
Post by: MDGrand on April 15, 2011, 10:17:38 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on April 15, 2011, 10:54:31 AM
I have a 2 pack system. I have an x2 Eberlestock that I strap to my cabelas alaskan frame. Going into spike camp is about 60 to 70 lbs. After dropping spike I have the x2 for day pack or to bivy out with. The x2 only weighs 4.5 lbs and it can carry an elk quarter.
Post by: MtnMuley on April 15, 2011, 12:18:33 PM
Post by: MDGrand on April 15, 2011, 12:38:10 PM
There are a lot of folks that have gone to the one pack system with mystery ranch but at the end of the day you still end up with a pretty heavy day pack.
I have a 2 pack system. I have an x2 Eberlestock that I strap to my cabelas alaskan frame. Going into spike camp is about 60 to 70 lbs. After dropping spike I have the x2 for day pack or to bivy out with. The x2 only weighs 4.5 lbs and it can carry an elk quarter.
I hear what you are saying, but the Mystery Ranch Crew Cab starts at 1900 CI day pack.. that is a pretty easy pack to move around in. It can expand with load cells up to 5000 CI which is pretty awesome.
To your point though, If I hike in with a full 5000 CI load, I can just easily dump the load cells compress the pack to 1900 and head out of base camp to make trouble. Cool part is if I get an animal, I can load a quarter and head right in it without having to go back for a frame pack. Ultimately that is why I bought it.. it truely is the only pack I have seen thus far that can do all of that.
Post by: halflife65 on April 15, 2011, 12:57:05 PM
The one thing that I noticed about the weight - it carries so well that you don't notice it, really. Great pack.
Maybe the Optifade looks "cooler" but the multicam rocks. I got the Foliage colored frame, though. I think I might end up with another pack to hang off the frame to use during the off season and I don't necessarily want it to be camo.
Post by: MDGrand on April 15, 2011, 01:04:54 PM
Your pictures also convinced me.
I got the multi cam too.. I couldnt do the optifade (my sponser would not like me too much if I did)
More than happy to have the multicam. It goes with with Realtree which is what I mostly wear.
I am thinking of ordering the load cells too.. which ones did you order? The site recommends 1 large and 2 small.. is that what you did?
My nice frame came in Coyote. That is fine to me, no difference, they are straps. :)
Post by: Machias on April 15, 2011, 02:46:04 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on April 15, 2011, 04:10:29 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on April 15, 2011, 04:44:35 PM
I hear what you are saying, but the Mystery Ranch Crew Cab starts at 1900 CI day pack.. that is a pretty easy pack to move around in. It can expand with load cells up to 5000 CI which is pretty awesome.
Don't get me wrong, the mystery ranch pack is very nice but was a bit steep for my budget. The crew cab with nice frame weighs in at 7lbs 11oz before any load cells. That also turned me off but folks do rave about their ability to carry weight. Heck that is two full water bottles more.
Bottom line you need a system that works for you. All have pros and cons. Good hunting!
Post by: halflife65 on April 15, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
I like to use a decker, it can carry about 200+ pounds of gear.
Have you ever tried to wear one? The SOB that stuck one on me cinched it down with a strap that went around my butt and another around my chest/shoulders. Then he put TWO waistbelts on, tightened them down, waited until I took a couple of breaths and tightned them again. Then he wrapped a damned canvas tarp over the whole thing. It was really uncomfortable. I guess I was moving around too much because he kicked me in the ankle, too. The whole experience sucked.
Post by: Machias on April 15, 2011, 11:17:14 PM
I like to use a decker, it can carry about 200+ pounds of gear.
Have you ever tried to wear one? The SOB that stuck one on me cinched it down with a strap that went around my butt and another around my chest/shoulders. Then he put TWO waistbelts on, tightened them down, waited until I took a couple of breaths and tightned them again. Then he wrapped a damned canvas tarp over the whole thing. It was really uncomfortable. I guess I was moving around too much because he kicked me in the ankle, too. The whole experience sucked.
:chuckle:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 16, 2011, 05:35:57 AM
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Post by: jackmaster on April 22, 2011, 06:34:42 AM
Alice packs are okay. The new MOLLE packs were more comfortable IMHO. But I wouldn't want to use either for hunting applications. If I get an animal down how are you gonna strap an animal to an ALICE pack?thats the nice thing about the alice packs external fram it acts like a packboard, i used them for bear huntn and they work great, on the bottom of the frame behind the back support there are rope loops you can tie to and then of course you can tie to the top, either way any pack you use its gonna be hard to pack your gear and an animal all at the same time
Post by: windygorge on May 14, 2011, 04:27:07 PM
mega pack http://www.fieldline.com/proddetail.aspx?sku=QC90U (http://www.fieldline.com/proddetail.aspx?sku=QC90U)
hunting pack (similar to mine) http://www.fieldline.com/proddetail.aspx?sku=QC94U (http://www.fieldline.com/proddetail.aspx?sku=QC94U)
Post by: windygorge on May 14, 2011, 04:37:50 PM
Post by: dupedc on May 14, 2011, 10:42:40 PM
I love my Badlands 4500! Easily can carry as much as you can, and pretty comfortable in my opinion. Plenty of room for gear, separate compartment for sleeping bag, strap tent and pad on the side, room for spotting scope and tripod, and everything else. Game down...throw a quarter in the main compartment and you can haul everything out. Beauty with the pack is that a) It's comfortable b)You've always got water and food and room for layers if needed for the rest of the loads. You can get one whole boned out deer no problem and if you're spike hunting, carry two quarters at a time. Lots of great choices out there...I don't think you can go wrong with any of them.
Post by: jechicdr on May 15, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
Post by: windygorge on May 15, 2011, 01:36:58 PM
http://youtu.be/3gllAEyuS0E (http://youtu.be/3gllAEyuS0E)
Post by: MDGrand on May 18, 2011, 03:17:13 PM
But.. in the spirit of being fair to all interested in the best hunting pack around, I just came across this site.. click on the video of the "Hard Core Hunt Pack" and watch!
http://www.adventureoutfittersinc.com/ (http://www.adventureoutfittersinc.com/)
I don't know what I would have done if I already had not bought my Mystery Ranch.
Post by: MtnMuley on May 18, 2011, 03:42:30 PM
Post by: windygorge on May 18, 2011, 04:58:45 PM
Cameron Haynes is also sponsered by each and everything is uses or wears.. :-)
But.. in the spirit of being fair to all interested in the best hunting pack around, I just came across this site.. click on the video of the "Hard Core Hunt Pack" and watch!
http://www.adventureoutfittersinc.com/ (http://www.adventureoutfittersinc.com/)
I don't know what I would have done if I already had not bought my Mystery Ranch.
nice!!
Post by: MDGrand on May 18, 2011, 06:21:33 PM
Janssens has had the Hard Core Hunt pack out for several years. Good day pack, but nowdays, there are much better. :twocents:
Really? It seemed to have everything.. Ability to grab rifle and bow quickly, frame meat packing ability.. I guess the only thing I didn't see is multi day storage ability. What's the knock on them?
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 18, 2011, 06:56:55 PM
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Post by: halflife65 on May 18, 2011, 11:00:04 PM
Halflife..
Your pictures also convinced me.
I got the multi cam too.. I couldnt do the optifade (my sponser would not like me too much if I did)
More than happy to have the multicam. It goes with with Realtree which is what I mostly wear.
I am thinking of ordering the load cells too.. which ones did you order? The site recommends 1 large and 2 small.. is that what you did?
My nice frame came in Coyote. That is fine to me, no difference, they are straps. :)
Hey, MDGrand, I was just re-reading through and just noticed your question to me - I think I missed it unless I just don't remember answering (that's possible.)
Yeah, I got the large and two smalls along with the daypack lid. I can actually get everything in the large and the daypack lid for a few days. In really cold weather or when I'm going longer and require more food I might need the others.
In fact, last weekend I got everything into the pack plus the daypack lid thing without using any load cells. Hunting stuff like game bags, extra knife (bear hunting so I have an extra knife that I normally wouldn't carry in case I get to skin one), emergency stuff and rain coat, and I managed to trade the rain coat out and had enough room to stick a Sitka 90% in there when it started raining hard, in one of the side pockets. Jetboil, tarp, stakes and ground cloth in the other side pocket. The main compartment I used for my sleeping bag (just stuffed it straight in there) and got extra socks, stocking hat and gloves in with it, front zipper pocket had a headlamp, map, compass and a couple of other things, top lid had food and an extra container of water. I didn't fold out the side pockets, so just stuck my sleeping pad in there and folded the whole thing up into a nice compact package. GPS was on the belt. In this case, I didn't bother with a spotting scope - if I did I'd probably need to break down and use the load cell. But my Swaros are good enough for this hunt.
Then my truck broke down on the way to the hunt, spent all night getting towed, acquiring an alternator at 5am (managed to scrounge one up - the tow truck driver (a cool guy, by the way) had one off of a wrecked pickup that fit; how lucky is that?), fixing the truck, replacing the battery (the tow truck driver had a new one of those, too), screwing around - got there about 1 or 2 in the afternoon with no sleep the night before. Still was going to go then got hit with torrential rain storms and lightening was crackling all around me. Walked back to the truck and just slept in it. In fact, I was so tired and it was raining so hard out that I didn't even bother trying to cook dinner. I just brushed my teeth and went to sleep. Got up in the morning, hiked out to where I wanted to be in the morning and...pea soup fog and more heavy rain. I did get a good afternoon hunt in before I drove home, though. The only bear I spotted was outside the unit. Oh well, I learned the area a bit but it was just kind of one of those hunts where things just went wrong. Could've been worse...
Going back to try again this weekend, though...If I have success spiking out I'll let you know how everything worked.
Post by: MDGrand on May 19, 2011, 08:24:24 AM
Sounds like you had quite a trip. I have been in those situations.. sucks. Keeps you going back for more though.
So far I got the two small load cells one 1 large. The large fits my tent and sleeping back. The other two small ones are almost full with pack pillow, sleeping pad, camp stove and mess kit, freeze dried meals, utensils, etc. Therefore, I don't have too much room for clothes. Thinking of ordering the daypack lid. How do you like yours? Could it fit a few days worth of clothes?
Post by: halflife65 on May 19, 2011, 09:18:34 AM
Maybe dump the pillow - seems like you should be able to get food/mess kit/stove into one unless you have a lot of food. That should leave your last one open for clothes and or other miscellaneous items. I also didn't mention that I have a MSR water bladder in it. I also have a collapsible water bottle to take that I can fill up assuming there is water where I'm going. This last time, I had room and my pack was relatively light, so I was planning on taking an extra bottle of water and didn't mess with the filter or anything.
You also still have the main pocket on the pack plus the two side pockets. You might have your spotting scope and tripod in the side pockets along with game bags, knives and whatever other hunting specific stuff you take, plus emergency stuff (first aid kit, fire starting stuff, etc.) but there is a lot of room in that main pocket. Maybe your clothes can go in there. My front zip pocket had a map, headlamp, 5 extra bullets, chapstick, compass, hand sanitizer and that's about it. Some more room in there for small stuff if you needed it.
If you want to be able to leave your food/extra clothes just bring a very lightweight silnylon bag and stuff everything in it when you get to wherever you're leaving your camp. If it's food you could hang it in a tree if you thought it was necessary.
Post by: MDGrand on May 19, 2011, 09:28:22 AM
I pretty much carry the exact same things including clothes.. The Pillow is an REI backpack pillow.. its very compactible. I still have a bit more room in one small load cell..
Think I will probably get the day pack lid though.. just to be sure.
Post by: MtnMuley on May 19, 2011, 12:33:41 PM
Janssens has had the Hard Core Hunt pack out for several years. Good day pack, but nowdays, there are much better. :twocents:
Really? It seemed to have everything.. Ability to grab rifle and bow quickly, frame meat packing ability.. I guess the only thing I didn't see is multi day storage ability. What's the knock on them?
As I mentioned it is a good pack. No serious knocks from me, but I feel there are numerous packs out there over the last several years, that are designed better to me. You own one.
Post by: halflife65 on May 19, 2011, 02:47:46 PM
Sounds like you have the pocketed belt. Wish I would have done that now.
I pretty much carry the exact same things including clothes.. The Pillow is an REI backpack pillow.. its very compactible. I still have a bit more room in one small load cell..
Think I will probably get the day pack lid though.. just to be sure.
No pockets on the belt but I got a couple of things that would attach to the webbing. I have a pouch for my GPS that will attach and Nimrod makes a range finder holder that will attach. If I can remember, I'll take a picture of my setup.
Post by: MDGrand on May 20, 2011, 08:08:33 AM
I just orderd the day pack lid.. I am all set for this one. It would be cool to see if there are quick release straps that can be added to this pack so you can can grab your rifle or bow..
Post by: MDGrand on May 26, 2011, 08:13:48 AM
Sounds like you have the pocketed belt. Wish I would have done that now.
I pretty much carry the exact same things including clothes.. The Pillow is an REI backpack pillow.. its very compactible. I still have a bit more room in one small load cell..
Think I will probably get the day pack lid though.. just to be sure.
No pockets on the belt but I got a couple of things that would attach to the webbing. I have a pouch for my GPS that will attach and Nimrod makes a range finder holder that will attach. If I can remember, I'll take a picture of my setup.
Halflife.. got my daypack lid yesterday.. its a sweet set up. VERY happy with this pack, expect to kick some ass with it this year. Thanks for the info and recommendations!
Post by: shanevg on May 26, 2011, 09:12:36 AM
a frame is a must. i truly believe that. a pack against your back is not good, especially when your hauling heavy loads a long way. frames keep them off your back. the meat will be tied up on the "outside" of your pack so it can breath. a shelf to help support the weight on the frame would be even better. it boggles my mind to see people not getting a modern day external frame backpack. it really does. if there is anyone who is reading and can add to what i am saying please do. if you are posting to counter what i am saying, then you need to have experience hauling meat and heavy loads with an external before you do. as for internal framed packs, if you want to just be "hiking" through the woods and have something to carry your stuff, then get one. i know you can put a quarter inside some of them, but why. the mission is to get the animal your hunting out of the woods without loss of meat, not to be bop in the woods with the latest and greatest because it looks cool. ....thats all i gotta say about that
I have to say I strongly disagree with this. Imhave packed out a bear small bear with an external frame pack and multiple large bears with my internal frame pack and I will never go back to external frame.
The comfort of an internal frame compared to any external frame I have ever used is incomparable. Additionally an external frame ways far more than an internal frame pack and is just so much bulkier when hiking through the woods. Having the heavy load close to your back makes you much more mobile and comfortable with a heavy load. I have ever had any problems with meat being ruined due to being too hot and imhave packed out a bear on a 90 degree day.
I have never seen any reason to have an uncomfortable and heavy external frame pack over an internal frame.
By the way. A good deal for a light pack is the GoLite Pinnacle. 4400 cubic inches, 1lb 15oz. I got it on clearance for $70.
Post by: windygorge on May 26, 2011, 09:30:20 PM
a frame is a must. i truly believe that. a pack against your back is not good, especially when your hauling heavy loads a long way. frames keep them off your back. the meat will be tied up on the "outside" of your pack so it can breath. a shelf to help support the weight on the frame would be even better. it boggles my mind to see people not getting a modern day external frame backpack. it really does. if there is anyone who is reading and can add to what i am saying please do. if you are posting to counter what i am saying, then you need to have experience hauling meat and heavy loads with an external before you do. as for internal framed packs, if you want to just be "hiking" through the woods and have something to carry your stuff, then get one. i know you can put a quarter inside some of them, but why. the mission is to get the animal your hunting out of the woods without loss of meat, not to be bop in the woods with the latest and greatest because it looks cool. ....thats all i gotta say about that
I have to say I strongly disagree with this. Imhave packed out a bear small bear with an external frame pack and multiple large bears with my internal frame pack and I will never go back to external frame.
The comfort of an internal frame compared to any external frame I have ever used is incomparable. Additionally an external frame ways far more than an internal frame pack and is just so much bulkier when hiking through the woods. Having the heavy load close to your back makes you much more mobile and comfortable with a heavy load. I have ever had any problems with meat being ruined due to being too hot and imhave packed out a bear on a 90 degree day.
I have never seen any reason to have an uncomfortable and heavy external frame pack over an internal frame.
By the way. A good deal for a light pack is the GoLite Pinnacle. 4400 cubic inches, 1lb 15oz. I got it on clearance for $70.
thats probably fine, but how many trips? i have a buddy who shoots bears and he carries the whole dang thing out at a time, with an internal. not saying a bear isn't heavy, but that aint happenin with an elk. i am not saying i won't look at internal frame packs, but for me, if i have to put blood dripping quarters into my pack to haul it out, then it aint for me. i want it on the outside of my pack away from all my essentials. i want to be able to put an elk rear and front quarter on my pack and carry it out. at least to my bike trailer that will be waiting. :chuckle:. i guess im stuck in my old ways that have always worked for me. :dunno: i am always looking for the latest and greatest, but they always seem to fall short, or are way too expensive. if i ever do find the ultimate pack, you bet i will be ranting on here about it.
Post by: MDGrand on May 26, 2011, 09:48:54 PM
Post by: JPhelps on May 26, 2011, 10:29:42 PM
I am a firm believer in using whatever works for you. We are all built different and different packs fit/feel different for everyone.
I use a Dana Design Terraplane (external) and my partner has a Dwight Schuh pack. My pack is ten times the monster load pack that his is. The waist belt on the schuh is not stiff enough to transfer the weight to his hips. The load lifters are not high enough on the fame to be effective. Plus the frame flexes with heavy loads causing stability issues. My partner also could not cinch the waist strap tight enough without the main buckle letting loose. If it works for you then by all meansuse it.
I also have a comment on your use of a meat shelf. If any weight is supported by the meat shelf it creates a torque or moment that has to be supported by your back which becomes very uncomfortable. You want all of the weight to be transferred into the frame as close to your back line as possible to minimize the distance between your back and center of the mass you are carrying.
If you haven't tried packs like Kifaru, Mystery Ranch, Dana Designs, Barney's or the Old Kelty's I suggest you do. These are proven LOAD MONSTERS.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 26, 2011, 10:37:23 PM
Post by: colockumelk on June 01, 2011, 08:34:01 PM
Mystery Ranch crew cab! Seriously.. Its the best of both. Worth every dime. Check it out.
I'm thinking that this is gonna be my Afghanistan deployment present to myself. Along with 1 large and 2 small load cells.
Post by: halflife65 on June 01, 2011, 09:05:54 PM
Post by: MDGrand on June 01, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
May I humbly suggest the day pack lid as well... I only got the cells at first and ended up outfitting the whole thing.Mystery Ranch crew cab! Seriously.. Its the best of both. Worth every dime. Check it out.
I'm thinking that this is gonna be my Afghanistan deployment present to myself. Along with 1 large and 2 small load cells.
Post by: actionshooter on June 01, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
I bought a Mystery Ranch grizzly to replace it and couldn't be happier. Worth the money and I know I'll get at least that many years again.
Post by: halflife65 on June 02, 2011, 10:17:02 AM
May I humbly suggest the day pack lid as well... I only got the cells at first and ended up outfitting the whole thing.Mystery Ranch crew cab! Seriously.. Its the best of both. Worth every dime. Check it out.
I'm thinking that this is gonna be my Afghanistan deployment present to myself. Along with 1 large and 2 small load cells.
Yeah, I did, too. Actually, with a tarp as a shelter, I was able to get everything into the Crew Cab for two days, including sleeping bag, with just using the lid and not the load cells. Any longer and I'd have had to add a cell or two, though.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on June 02, 2011, 11:14:12 AM
Post by: MDGrand on June 02, 2011, 12:32:52 PM
So, here is what I use it for:
1. mainly daypack. It compresses down to a 1900 ci pack without the cells. It has a hibrid internal.external frame, so if I down an elk or deer, I can cut it up and pack it out.
2. If I go on a long 5 day back pack trip, I can get all the load cells, 1 large, 2 small and the daypack lid full of all my gear, hike into base camp, set up camp, take off all the load cells and day pack lid and compress that pack back to a 1900 ci pack to use around the mountain.
This is what makes the MR so unique.. its ability to expand/contract and load full quarters, etc out.
Post by: halflife65 on June 02, 2011, 02:00:48 PM
With just the daypack lid on and out for two days I could fit an entire deer in it pretty easily and walk out in one load, assuming I could carry the pack. It expands plenty big enough to do that.
The Crew Cab is good for everything - use the same pack as daypack, overnighter or packboard. Plus, it's just comfortable. A little heavy but it carries so well you don't notice. I LOVED the fact that I didn't have to come back after I shot the deer. Several miles out and it was great to not have to return to it.
Post by: Hornseeker on June 02, 2011, 02:50:21 PM
I have bivy hunted with it for up to 6 days. I can leave the truck at about #40 including 3/4 gallon of water. This is hunting 8500 feet in Montana where I have to be prepared for any weather possible. I hunt 3-8 miles from the truck on these ventures. I can also pack out 55-70# of boned out meat along with my gear if need be for the first trip out...then come back empty and pack out however much I think I can handle (usually about 80-100 pounds, depending on my testosterone levels that day!! :chuckle:))
I also use it for packing in base camps. We pack in about 65# of gear each and setup a nice camp. Then I hunt with the CC on my back all day long with maybe 8# of chit in it...the pack is not light, so you are hunting with upwards of 25# when you get some water in there too. Never a prob. The packs really are bomb proof, no others are made as sturdy. The guys that designed and built this pack are back country hunters and have access to the best materials and build methods around...
Get the CC... Get the "top pouch" too...it help with really big loads and when packing in a base camp.
Good Luck
Post by: actionshooter on June 02, 2011, 03:53:22 PM
As far as packing meat with my gear, yes I do and thats the one downside of this style of internal frame pack. I always carry a heavy trash bag and then wash the inside of the pack out asap and it works pretty well. The comfort level of a internal vs the external is completely worth it to me.
Post by: shanevg on June 02, 2011, 04:32:56 PM
I really wanted the crew cab but at 6'-5 my torso length is just to long for what that pack is designed for. I called MR and spoke directly with Dana and he talked me into the grizzly, basically the same pack as the one I had before.
As far as packing meat with my gear, yes I do and thats the one downside of this style of internal frame pack. I always carry a heavy trash bag and then wash the inside of the pack out asap and it works pretty well. The comfort level of a internal vs the external is completely worth it to me.
I do the same. As long as you have some garbage bags you have no worries about getting blood on your gear.
Post by: actionshooter on June 02, 2011, 04:47:17 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on June 02, 2011, 05:20:55 PM
I hunt out of a badlands and an Arcteryx as of right now. Both are in the process of being sold to make room for my Kuiu pack :IBCOOL:
Post by: colockumelk on June 02, 2011, 06:14:44 PM
Well, I see that a lot of military people have it. I called and talked to the MR guys and the military personnel are the ones most buying the packs. Great packs - and they can carry a lot of weight.
Sorry I meant a post A-Stan present for hunting purposes. Im an Apache pilot I wont be needing a pack. But having been a former ground guy that pack looks way better than anything the Army issued me.
Post by: Wea300mag on June 02, 2011, 06:18:40 PM
Heres a MR with 105# in it, yes it was weighed.
I believe you, I've seen you before. :chuckle:
Post by: actionshooter on June 02, 2011, 06:54:19 PM
Hey PNW, Thats a steal!!
someone here should grab that.
Post by: JPhelps on June 02, 2011, 07:00:57 PM
Last year when I killed my deer we dropped the packs and ended up killing my deer 1000 ft. below in elevation. I was cursing the whole way pack to the packs. NEVER AGAIN!
Where we deer hunt two trips to the TRUCK is NOT an option.
Post by: halflife65 on June 02, 2011, 10:40:46 PM
Yeah Colockum - fortunately, I guess you wouldn't need a pack in an Apache, eh?
Post by: MtnMuley on June 03, 2011, 07:58:42 AM
;)
Hey PNW, Thats a steal!!
someone here should grab that.
I just checked and I don't see it? Must have sold. I would have bought it and turned it for $300 easily. A couple accessories for mine were more than than price.
Post by: PacificNWhunter on June 03, 2011, 07:12:12 PM
;)
Hey PNW, Thats a steal!!
someone here should grab that.
I just checked and I don't see it? Must have sold. I would have bought it and turned it for $300 easily. A couple accessories for mine were more than than price.
Did not think it would last to long.
Post by: iflyils on June 15, 2011, 06:48:57 AM
Post by: kalamasasquatch on July 04, 2011, 12:55:44 AM
I've been using a Kelty 4500 internal frame. I'm looking into swithing to the Kelty Cache Hauler with a waterproof dufflebag that can be thrown on, or maybe a seabag. Just hook the gear on, or take it off for packing out. A buddy uses a pack from Cabelas in which the 'pack' detaches so he has the shelf to mount the game bags for the pack out. I have found for the long range hunts, the pack fit makes a bigger difference than the weight. My pack for 4 days is between 75-85 pounds (with very little water...I plan my route through watering holes), and the biggest killer is the belt. If I can't get the belt portion tight enough, then the pack feels heavy.
75-85 lbs??? why are you so heavy? my 5 day pack comes in at about 45-50lbs max. that includes food game bags for elk and a one man tent.
Post by: colockumelk on August 25, 2011, 09:55:34 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on August 26, 2011, 05:26:12 AM
Post by: JPhelps on August 26, 2011, 05:44:06 AM
Post by: colockumelk on August 26, 2011, 06:43:11 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on August 26, 2011, 08:07:54 AM
Post by: colockumelk on August 26, 2011, 08:22:23 AM
I think the Kirafu packs are made with gold thread!
:yeah:
Their prices are ridiculous
Post by: halflife65 on August 26, 2011, 08:30:30 AM
I am not willing to drop the amount of money that Kifaru wants. Thanks for the input dreamingbig. I guess I'll stick with the MR Crew Cab.
Well, colockum, I have the MR Crewcab and it's definitely the best pack I've owned. The thing is awesome. Loaded up with just stuff that you'd carry on a day when you plan on leaving in the dark and coming back in the dark, when you pick it up off the ground it feels heavy but it carries so well that you would swear that it hardly weighs anything.
I also used it to pack out a deer last year that I had shot several miles from camp. Boned it out and just took it with me. It's great to be able to do that and not have to come back. I love the pack. Plus, you'll be able to add a 6500 or something else to the NICE frame later. I got the foliage color on the frame so that I can add a bag that wasn't camo later if I wanted. For those times when I'm not hunting and I want to use it.
Post by: huntinhick on August 26, 2011, 01:38:17 PM
carl
Post by: halflife65 on August 26, 2011, 01:49:38 PM
The reason I got the MR is because of the NICE frame. You can then buy other bags to hang off of them.
You're correct about the price - they are expensive, too. They also stand behind their packs and repair/replace stuff when necessary. I think that they are both premium pack builders and treat their customers well.
Post by: huntinhick on August 26, 2011, 02:23:45 PM
btw he also has a 3 day assault bvs that would be a nice option for warmer days as it has great airflow venting...I like that one alot but it is limited for carrying game out
Post by: colockumelk on August 27, 2011, 11:36:18 AM
I'm pretty set on the crew cab but... My Dad bought my plane ticket for me as a gift. Well his plane ticket is about to get regifted in the form of a pack. The Kifaru might just be that pack since he is dead set on an internal frame.
Post by: CountryslickR on August 29, 2011, 08:47:41 PM
Post by: halflife65 on August 30, 2011, 11:51:59 AM
Bad picture attached but my hunting partner got a picture when I was crawling through the brush and it shows the pack a little bit. The multi-cam isn't the "cool" looking Optifade stuff but it looks good in the brush.
Post by: CountryslickR on August 30, 2011, 08:47:30 PM
Post by: halflife65 on August 30, 2011, 11:32:57 PM
For instance, if you would have gotten a Longbow with a NICE frame you wouldn't have to buy another one to get the Crew Cab (and vice versa).
It's expensive up front for the NICE frame but gets a little more tolerable when you want to add additional stuff. My next purchase will probably be a 6500 bag and I'll just sell my Gregory backpack because it will be redundant.