Post by: pjb3 on March 21, 2011, 09:14:38 AM
I have both and they are basically the same ratio
Post by: h20hunter on March 21, 2011, 09:17:20 AM
Post by: C-Money on March 21, 2011, 09:30:58 AM
Post by: JKEEN33 on March 21, 2011, 09:43:38 AM
Post by: crane on March 21, 2011, 09:58:04 AM
Post by: pjb3 on March 21, 2011, 10:03:04 AM
I might give it a try. I use 25lb test on both so should be the same :dunno:
Post by: Button Nubbs on March 21, 2011, 10:19:47 AM
Post by: YoterHunter on March 21, 2011, 04:03:50 PM
Post by: TONTO on March 21, 2011, 04:12:23 PM
Reason I ask is its harder for me to reel up a bait than a spin. Not sure Y but...
I might give it a try. I use 25lb test on both so should be the same :dunno:
Are you using a right or left hand retrieve on the bait caster? Aside from the drag issue, most spin reels just don't have enough drag and reeling against the drag will twist your line up pretty damn good, but also line capacity. Spin reels generaly just don't hold enough line. Fishing in 600' of water I like to have atleast 350 yards to account for drift.
Post by: pjb3 on March 21, 2011, 05:02:13 PM
As for the cranking, the bait is left handed and spin is right. I don't just reel, I pump/reel. Maye I'm doing it all wrong but when pulling up 180' of line from bottom, its hard with the bait caster
Post by: jeepster on March 21, 2011, 05:42:56 PM
i applaud you for using a spinning reel and light gear....
think of it this way.... spinning gear vs level winds is comparable to towing a large boat with a 1/2ton 6 cylinder pickup vs a 1 ton diesel dually.
methaphorically speaking, you will get your boat to the same place with either truck, but the diesel will outlast and win when it comes down to crunch time.
my :twocents: just gotta find a reel that you are comfortable with, these days they make so many different handle styles....
Post by: ICEMAN on March 21, 2011, 05:58:46 PM
Post by: Button Nubbs on March 21, 2011, 05:59:33 PM
Post by: pjb3 on March 21, 2011, 08:09:50 PM
Post by: jeepster on March 21, 2011, 08:48:58 PM
some of mine may be 40+ years old (2x as old as i am) but the only plastic on them is the outter covers/cowlings, but they are on my first-string rods
ive found i can buy 3 or 4 old penn reels, clean them up, replace parts and referbish them for the price of buying one new reel/rod combo.... if you know how to fix them, they are the best bang for the buck.... in my mind.
they might not have a high speed ratio or anything special, but i have the reels my grandpa bought when my dad was a kid, and still use them on my boat.... i think the most ive paid for one is like 40 bucks
i can rely on them 110% of the time no matter what under any condition...
Post by: pjb3 on March 21, 2011, 08:52:33 PM
as a matter of fact i use mostly penn reels for my boat rods. 209, long beach, and 49s....
some of mine may be 40+ years old (2x as old as i am) but the only plastic on them is the outter covers/cowlings, but they are on my first-string rods
ive found i can buy 3 or 4 old penn reels, clean them up, replace parts and referbish them for the price of buying one new reel/rod combo.... if you know how to fix them, they are the best bang for the buck.... in my mind.
they might not have a high speed ratio or anything special, but i have the reels my grandpa bought when my dad was a kid, and still use them on my boat.... i think the most ive paid for one is like 40 bucks
i can rely on them 110% of the time no matter what under any condition...
My rod/reel I use for halibut is a real old Penn model 309, bought for $20 10 years ago and that is with the rod too
Post by: pjb3 on March 21, 2011, 08:54:29 PM
Post by: pjb3 on March 21, 2011, 09:03:25 PM
CONFUSED :dunno:
Post by: Button Nubbs on March 21, 2011, 09:35:47 PM
I have both lefty and righty casters, I am a little better with rightys but can use leftys just fine. A little practice is all it takes to be a switch hitter ;) :yike: :P
Post by: pjb3 on March 21, 2011, 10:01:58 PM
Post by: jeepster on March 21, 2011, 11:50:08 PM
not to be a smartass
but just flip the rod over so the crank is on the left. probelm solved.
im left handed, and thats how i fish. i have 12+ levelwind rod/reels, and i fish every single one of em "upside down"
besides its better for your rods to be fished "upside down" because it loads the rod properly, the line isnt sitting on top of the rod, its handing under it so the spine of the rod supports the line.... if that makes any sence. thats why the reel hangs down on spinning and fly rods.
if i reeled with the line "on top" of the rod ("right side up") id invest in twist rods.... but thats just me, and a whole nother can o worms
Post by: pjb3 on March 22, 2011, 06:12:39 AM
PJB3
not to be a smartass
but just flip the rod over so the crank is on the left. probelm solved.
If I did, wouldn't you have to crank the handle in reverse?
Post by: lokidog on March 22, 2011, 07:31:07 AM
PJB3
not to be a smartass
but just flip the rod over so the crank is on the left. probelm solved.
If I did, wouldn't you have to crank the handle in reverse?
Yes.
I grew up with left handed spinning reels, before you could switch them back and forth. The Penns work great for me but I have been trying to build up the muscle memory for realing with my left hand so that I can comfortably go either way. The state put a little damper on that closing rockfish in the sound last year though. :bash:
BTW, don't tell anyone else about how good the old Penns are! :chuckle:
Post by: Button Nubbs on March 22, 2011, 08:26:56 AM
Excuse my ignorance as I know virtually nothing about rod building but are you saying the spine is always on the opposite side of the guides? Why are ALL casting rods made to be fished with the guides up and all spinning/fly rods made to be fished with the guides down? It dosent make sense to me. :dunno:
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 22, 2011, 08:41:52 AM
Spinning and fly reels are made to be fished down. Thats the standard.
Believe me, the casting rods fished with the eyes up are correct in every way. And spinning rods fished with eyes down are correct in every way.
Its up to the rod builder to ensure the spine is correct for either style they build. If you have a conventional, and fish it upside down, your fishing it wrong. And the line hitting the blank hurts or effects nothing....
Not saying Jeepster cant do it his way. But it is not the norm and very odd. Kinda like when you see a guy with his spinning reel up.
If you fish enough the correct/standard way, you will get used to it.
And most big game conventional reels don't come left or right. People just get used to it.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 22, 2011, 08:46:34 AM
Post by: pjb3 on March 22, 2011, 09:15:21 AM
The only other thing Ill add is if you don't like the wobble when reeling a Halibut off the bottom with a conventional like all old Penn's have, look into a low profile style or one that has the handle close to the rod blank on a gear reduction. Penn 340 and 345 for low pro. And look at the Avets for high torque gear reduction. Awesome reels those Avets...
Thats what I dont like, so it is "normal"? The "wobble" that is. I get it now, just have to get used to it I guess. I thought it was me or the rod/reel
Post by: Button Nubbs on March 22, 2011, 09:22:10 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 22, 2011, 09:25:52 AM
Most just kind of lay it against there forearm thats not doing the cranking. Its completely normal. And its also the reason Penn came out with the 340 and 345 GT,s eliminates the wobble.
See how the Avet's crank is low on the reel off a gear reduction? It not only eliminates wobble but also is like a winch. No strain at all. they really haul line effortlessly.
Post by: pjb3 on March 22, 2011, 09:58:30 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on March 22, 2011, 10:13:53 AM
Check em out!
http://www.charkbait.com/cs/csrAvet.htm (http://www.charkbait.com/cs/csrAvet.htm)
Post by: lokidog on March 22, 2011, 11:21:34 AM
The only other thing Ill add is if you don't like the wobble when reeling a Halibut off the bottom with a conventional like all old Penn's have, look into a low profile style or one that has the handle close to the rod blank on a gear reduction. Penn 340 and 345 for low pro. And look at the Avets for high torque gear reduction. Awesome reels those Avets...
Thats what I dont like, so it is "normal"? The "wobble" that is. I get it now, just have to get used to it I guess. I thought it was me or the rod/reel
They make rods with a recessed + at the end of the butt and fighting belts that have a corresponding wire to grab the groove. Maybe there is an aftermarket butt cap that cpould be put on. Fighting belts are nice anyways when hauling up a bunch of weight, helps prevent thigh and other bruising..... :yike:
Post by: pjb3 on March 22, 2011, 12:51:49 PM
Final answer 8)
Post by: lokidog on March 22, 2011, 02:52:12 PM
Post by: pjb3 on March 22, 2011, 05:06:44 PM
Post by: cohoho on March 22, 2011, 05:20:35 PM
Post by: pjb3 on March 22, 2011, 06:50:28 PM
I use a medium heavy rod, 7'er.