Post by: sisu on March 27, 2011, 04:41:38 PM
guns, dogs and coyote (http://www.montanadoggers.com/)
Post by: greenhead_killer on March 27, 2011, 04:51:52 PM
Post by: sisu on March 27, 2011, 04:53:14 PM
The Mountain Cur was originally brought to America from Europe by the settlers of the mountains in Virginia, Kentucky, and Tennessee, then later Arkansas and Oklahoma, to guard family and property as well as chase and tree game. These dogs enabled the settlers to provide meat and pelts for personal use or trade, making them very valuable in the unforgiving frontier environment. The Mountain Cur was bred and maintained for nearly two hundred years. With the advent of World War II, many of the families who had bred them left the rural areas and went to work in factories in the war effort. By the end of the 1940s the breed was becoming rare. Four individuals, Hugh Stephens and Woody Huntsman of Kentucky, Carl McConnell of Virginia, and Dewey Ledbetter of Tennessee are given credit for saving the breed from dying out and setting the Mountain Cur breed standard.
Mt. Curs were the pioneer dogs of the southern Kentucky and Tennessee mountains. It has been said that without Mt. Cur dogs the pioneers could have never been able to settle in these mountains.
Mt. Curs were a necessity for the frontier family. They guarded families against wild animals and other dangers; then also provided food by catching, treeing and holing game for their families' food. Mt. Curs were held in high regard by the pioneers and few were sold after acceptance into a family.
It is believed that the Mt. Cur came from Europe along with their owners who came to America seeking new homes. It has been established, through the research of the late David Carr, that the cur as a type of hunting & herding dog has existed in Britain since at least the 13th century. Many of these dogs were born bobtailed and this gave rise to the word curtail. This cur is the source for later cattle dogs such as the Welsh Corgis, the famous Smithfield and the Old English Sheepdog. After its arrival in colonial America in the 17th century it became the source for other cur breeds including the modern Mt Cur, and the Blackmouth Cur of Old Yeller fame. Until World War II, the Mt. Cur was still an economic asset to the mountain people. Their Mt. Curs helped feed the family and many of these mountain people bought food, clothes, and other necessities with money from furs caught by their Mt. Curs. Then came the War and the industrial revolution, making jobs available in the Cities. As more mountain people became moved to the Cities to become factory workers the Mt. Cur became scarce in the late 1940s.
However the Ole' mountain men did not forget the Mt. Cur. Four men have been credited with saving the Mt. Cur from extinction, even though many Mt. Curs bloodlines carry very little if any of the blood of the old pioneer Mt. Curs. These men were Hugh Stephens and Woody Huntsman of Kentucky, Dewey Ledbetter of Tennessee, and Carl McConnell of Virginia.
In 1956, these men founded the Original Mountain Cur Breeders' Association. Soon after, much controversy over the breed standard caused Hugh Stephen and Carl McConnell to leave the OMCBA and they founded the Stephen Stock Mt. Cur Association (Registered only long- tailed little black and white dogs).
Later the Tennessee Treeing Brindle Association ( Registering any long-tailed brindle dogs), and the Kemmer Stock Breeders Association, who registers any and all OMCBA registered dogs, regardless of bloodlines.
The Mountain View Cur was developed by selecting only the very best certified tree dogs out of a certain pure Mt. Cur bloodline. This is why they are known as the "thoroughbreds" of the cur dog world. No other Mt Cur Strain has ever been bred under their strict selection and breeding standards.
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Post by: bare.hunter on March 31, 2011, 05:31:10 PM
time.I had hounds for years and always wanted a cur dog just never got around to having one.
Post by: sisu on March 31, 2011, 05:35:46 PM
Etheir they are mt curs or black mouth curs. Curs are great dog for multiple uses some tree coons at night and herd cows in the day3 years ago I ran into a fella from Tennessee what was hunting pheasant near Plentywood, MT. He had the usual upland dogs but wanted me to see his pride and joy flusher-retriever. It was a Mountain cur that was so scared up from bear hunting it looked like an old lion. He was given the dog by the bear hunter as he figured the old boy was wore out. The fella said the old hound hunted rings around his setters and pointers. These two hunters were serious upland guys. 3 setters and 3 pointers plus the cur and they started the hunting season in Canada and figured on ending in New Mexico!
time.I had hounds for years and always wanted a cur dog just never got around to having one.
Post by: NW-GSP on March 31, 2011, 06:30:11 PM
This got me thinking... Do you think you could use a tough bird dog like a Chessie and not F-up his ability to bird hunt? Mostly be soft mouthed with birds, but F-up shot yotes? I would think no....
only thing I could think of is that the chessie will be bird hunting and coyote at the same time,
my dad had a chessie when I was growing up and I have never seen a tougher dog or a dog go so ballistic when she got into a fight with another dog- it was SCARY when that dog came unglued
Post by: ChesapeakeMan on April 01, 2011, 12:43:04 PM
This got me thinking... Do you think you could use a tough bird dog like a Chessie and not F-up his ability to bird hunt? Mostly be soft mouthed with birds, but F-up shot yotes? I would think no....
Back when my first Chessie was just a pup (close to 20 years ago) I met a guy who also had a new Chessie pup. My male was about average size, he was 80 pounds when fully grown. This fellow's pup made mine look like a newborn Chihuahua. He said he picked big parents. Mom was 110 pounds and dad was 130 pounds. His reason for this was that he used big male chesapeakes to retrieve coyotes. He was from Umatilla and said he would regularly shoot coyotes at 400-500 yards. He needed a dog that was big enough to haul a 40 pound coyote back that distance and finish the job if necessary. He told me on more than one occasion multiple opportunities would present themselves when the downed coyotes buddies would see this behemoth barreling along to pick up their downed friend. Naturally, that area also has better than average bird hunting for both upland and waterfowl. He said all his dogs knew when to hunt birds and when to hunt fur. And I would agree with you NW-GSP about their toughness. I could tell multiple stories about my dogs toughness and tenacity when need be. I will say this though. My dogs ( I am on chessie #5 ) have never started it. They sure as hell finished it though. Usually in dramatic fashion.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on April 01, 2011, 01:04:43 PM
She must taunt them into chasing her. She will bark at them and dance around until they bark back and chase her. At that point they seem to be committed. They're going to come in if they bark. When we shoot she runs in and attacks them. If you miss...she still runs in and attacks them! I missed one and she caught the darn thing and had a heck of a fight. She came back covered in blood, but was (pretty much) unscathed.
We never trained her to do this, it just came naturally. It's too bad it was made illegal.
Post by: bearpaw on April 01, 2011, 01:34:17 PM
My son and I were looking at buying a couple coyote dogs and they banned them, I am still upset over that. :bash:
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 01, 2011, 02:14:21 PM