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Other Hunting => Bird Dogs => Topic started by: BIGINNER on March 31, 2011, 03:30:41 PM

Title: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: BIGINNER on March 31, 2011, 03:30:41 PM: I MIGHT BE GETTING A WEIMARANER HERE SHORTLY,... HOW DO THEY COMPARE TO GERMAN SHORTHAIRS? ATTITUDE WISE... HOW DO THEY COMPARE OUT IN THE FIELD?

AND WHOEVER HAS WEIMERANERS FEEL FREE TO POST PICS AS WELL :)
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: rtspring on March 31, 2011, 03:34:48 PM: I say go with the Shorthair, I am a big lab guy but a freind got a weimaraner and it was as high strung as they come, he eventually let it become just a pet instead of a bird dog.......

Don't know alot about dogs other than labs... :twocents:
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: Thwack on March 31, 2011, 04:56:04 PM: My brother also had a Weimaraner. Very high strung and had separation anxiety. Would freak out if left alone and be destructive. Weimaraner's are supposedly known for separation anxiety.
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: greenhead_killer on March 31, 2011, 05:13:40 PM: we had a weimaraner growing up. very very intelligent dogs. sometimes too much for their own good. they are very dependent, anxiety issues, and can be destructive. they just always need something to do. a job, exercise, and they are fine. its when u neglect them that they are real hellions. i have a half vizsula half yellow lab, more vizsula than lab, and he is very comparable to the weimaraner. they just get bored easily. very intelligent and good looking dogs tho. weimeraners can also be very dominate if not started off right. will def push you around if you allow them to. gl
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: longrange7mm on March 31, 2011, 05:55:57 PM: love my Weimaraner, I dont have kids but when are friends come over or we go to my familys he does great with them. Everything i heard about there hyper tendencies has been proven wrong he is 2.5 now and is by far calmer then all the labs and GSP i have had. As far as hunting over :chuckle: I think he came from show blood lines but the other weimaraners I have hunted over were awesome dogs. Nothing against the GSP I told my fiancée I wanted one or the other and she got me this guy for Christmas. He doesnt show any signs of separation anxiety either from us or the other dogs.

Here is some pics of my blue Weimer he is larger than most at 95 lbs
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: AWS on March 31, 2011, 06:11:55 PM: My grandfather used to raise them in the 50's and my father ran GSP's and they were very comparable in my and my dads opinion. My grandfather thought they could walk on waterand reminded us of that every time we got together, just that kind of turned me off on them plus they were twice the price of a GSP.

AWS
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: NW-GSP on March 31, 2011, 06:16:05 PM: I have also heard that the weims have bad seperation anxeity. I have a gsp and have never seen a weim while out hunting. its your choice but the gsp is known for being the most versatile hunting dog there is along side of the german wirehair
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: woodywsu on April 01, 2011, 10:16:46 AM: I have hunted over both and my prefence would be a GSP. I've hunted over a few awesome weims but also several that weren't worth a dam. Can't go wrong with a GSP.
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: Machias on April 01, 2011, 11:16:17 AM: You should get a Wirehaired Pointing Griffon, I know where a real nice one is for sale! :chuckle:

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Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: longrange7mm on April 01, 2011, 04:03:18 PM: Quote from: Machias on April 01, 2011, 11:16:17 AM
You should get a Wirehaired Pointing

I had one he was a walking vet bill, he was a hunting SOB though to bad he chased other things besides birds had to put him down :'(
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: Rowdy on April 01, 2011, 06:32:36 PM: Both can be awesome bird dogs but you will have a much easier time finding a shorthair that is a hunting machine. And it will probably cost a lot less.

All bird dogs are awesome but I've done my share of research and you can find good ones of any breed. Unfortunately some are much harder to find (hunting) than others and I think Weims fall into that category.

My two cents.

Jake
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 01, 2011, 10:03:28 PM: I like shorthairs a little better myself :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: ORCA_SIX on April 01, 2011, 10:46:31 PM: Machias,

Tried convincing the wife. She would not go for a third dog or else I would have taken a look at your boy. Hope you find a good home for him.
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: tlbradford on April 01, 2011, 10:55:59 PM: I think they are pretty much the same dog as far as attitude, and hunting ability. I think they are a little more calm than GSP's myself. My next dog will be a weim. Like any pointer, you need to have a lot of room and get them out often for excercise.
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: wildweeds on April 02, 2011, 11:35:08 AM: Not even close in comparison,The blue haired bench ladies have ruined the weim chasing a color scheme. I've seen enough of them to know that I've never seen what would be considered good.I'd say a stellar weim would be comparable to a well below average performance from a shorthair.I've been around enough weims to say this as well......................I wouldn't trust them around small kids.If a weim tips the scales at more than 50 pounds your either overfeeding it or it's 100% show bred.

Any breed that is non mainstream popular will increase the dud ratio IMO.Examples would be the weim,visla,munsterlander large and small,and pudelpointer.Small genetic pools to draw desired qualities from.Add to this the potential of backyard willy nilly breeding and the success rate will drop even further.

For a better than average chance on a versatile I'd stick with the GSP as a first choice
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: PacificNWhunter on April 02, 2011, 01:00:08 PM: My vote is a GSP, they can go, go , go. Never hunted over a weim though, I saw quite a few others mention it too but it's probly easier to find a good birdy GSP then a weim.
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: tlbradford on April 02, 2011, 01:52:20 PM: Quote from: wildweeds on April 02, 2011, 11:35:08 AM
Not even close in comparison,The blue haired bench ladies have ruined the weim chasing a color scheme. I've seen enough of them to know that I've never seen what would be considered good.I'd say a stellar weim would be comparable to a well below average performance from a shorthair.I've been around enough weims to say this as well......................I wouldn't trust them around small kids.If a weim tips the scales at more than 50 pounds your either overfeeding it or it's 100% show bred.

Any breed that is non mainstream popular will increase the dud ratio IMO.Examples would be the weim,visla,munsterlander large and small,and pudelpointer.Small genetic pools to draw desired qualities from.Add to this the potential of backyard willy nilly breeding and the success rate will drop even further.

For a better than average chance on a versatile I'd stick with the GSP as a first choice

Pretty much 90% of this post is untrue. Weims got a bad name in the 80's for being inbred. It was really hard to find a true hunting line. However, it is much improved in the past 20 years. I have had a part in training and hunting behind several of them. They are excellent family dogs, and are being bred larger but that is no different that what labs have gone through.
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 04, 2011, 12:23:48 PM: I've read and been told the average guy will have the most success with a GSP. Makes since. Same is true of retrievers. The GSP is the Lab of the pointer world. They don't win trials and stay popular because they aren't good dogs.

Weims are cool looking dogs but, you gotta find what floats your boat, not someone elses'.

I have Chessies. they are harder to train than labs but, they float my boat.....
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: RC3 on April 04, 2011, 08:46:55 PM: Very well put Happy!

Its going to be easier to find a good hunting GSP than weim......not to say there arent good weims out there just fewer.
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: tlbradford on April 04, 2011, 11:25:57 PM: Anyone who does not research the parents or previous litters and their abilities might be unhappy with what they get. Do your homework. You will have this dog a long time.
Title: Re: WEIMARANER VS GERMAN SHORTHAIR
Post by: Happy Gilmore on April 05, 2011, 10:15:59 AM: The Weims I've been around are sort of, well, not really into birds like the average bred GSP's I've been around. I'm sure they are out there but, you can get a kick-arse GSP for $400. You're going to pay double that for a Weim with no hunting history and probably 3-4X that for one with parents that are proven in a hunt test or trial.