Post by: Todd_ID on April 10, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
http://www.governor.wa.gov/billaction/2011/20110407.pdf (http://www.governor.wa.gov/billaction/2011/20110407.pdf)
Post by: Drifterat on April 10, 2011, 11:47:21 AM
Post by: KillBilly on April 10, 2011, 12:26:17 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 10, 2011, 02:19:59 PM
Post by: KillBilly on April 10, 2011, 03:08:29 PM
The $200 fee is not for a Class 3 license, though; it is a one-time fee for a single item with a serial number that amounts to a tax paid to the Commerce Dept. for the privilege of owning that suppressor or short-barreled rifle. To obtain a suppressor you order and pay for it through a dealer who holds it until you are cleared to own it, fill out an ATF Form 4 with the specs of that particular suppressor, obtain permission from a Chief Law Enforcement Officer in your jurisdiction (county sheriff, city police chief, or county prosecutor) certifying that they know of no reason you should not own one, obtain fingerprint card from sheriff's office, and send all to ATF along with a $200 check. 3 to 6 months later your approval or disapproval is mailed to you in the form of a stamp showing that you paid the tax. It's generally referred to as a $200 tax stamp, but that is the process to legally own a suppressor.
It's currently legal to own one in WA but not to shoot it in WA. You can, however take it to another state that allows them (Idaho) and shoot them there. My county sheriff (Asotin County) upon my first call said that he would not sign the Form 4 to allow ownership of a suppressor and that he hadn't signed any through his years of office, but, after a conversation that included the above info and a description of the pending bill as well as owning land in Idaho, he finally submitted that he might sign one as long as the bill was signed into law and the person applying checked out in his mind. Sometimes intelligent debate can prevail!
Post by: Craig on April 10, 2011, 03:33:00 PM
That would be awesome to have a couple suppressors.
Post by: AWS on April 10, 2011, 07:08:08 PM
I've done alot of predator control work in the past and if you need quiet you go with a long barrel 22H or a light loaded 223. Just can't see any benefit for a law abiding citizen, clue me in.
AWS
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 10, 2011, 07:24:11 PM
Post by: satchel3006 on April 11, 2011, 10:19:48 AM
Post by: ORCA_SIX on April 11, 2011, 10:23:43 AM
Post by: BlackRidge on April 11, 2011, 10:25:44 AM
What are the benefits? Just because works for me and I want one when does need or benefit have anything to do with the shooting sports?
...I need to protect my hearing (thats enough for me)
I had no clue it went up to the Gov today, looks like I may have to celebrate some tonight!
The Trust-route is pretty simple. You're creating an entity to act as the owner of the class 3 item. Through it you can establish others who can use the item, as well as determine where it should go in the event of your demise (all important stuff). I have my trust setup, and hopefully will begin using it veeeery soon
I may be mistaken, but once your Trust is notarized, you simply include that Trust info with the other ATF forms (and appropriate tax amount - $200 x number of suppressors being purchased) and wait the excrutiating 3+ months to hear back on when you can pick it up. Ultimately, how the forms get sent out depends on where you buy your suppressor, and or if you are making one on a form1.
Post by: ORCA_SIX on April 11, 2011, 10:33:37 AM
Post by: AWS on April 11, 2011, 11:12:21 AM
AWS
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on April 11, 2011, 11:22:23 AM
Post by: skynyr on April 11, 2011, 12:00:15 PM
Imagine this: A majority of users at a gun range are using suppressors. The idiots who move next to one and complain about the noise would no longer have any argument. :twocents:They don't even have an argument to begin with.
Who are these decibal monitors I keep hearing about and what business do they have at a gun range? Maybe they should take up golf or archery if they are that sensitive to things that go "BOOOM". I've never ran into one of these clowns but when/if I do I won't listen to any crap, the most they'll get out of me is a one finger salute.
Post by: BlackRidge on April 11, 2011, 12:30:26 PM
We can already own them here.
We can already attach them to our firearms.
Now we'd be able to use them.
The current way it works is stupid. This bill remedies that...
Regarding the ciminal element that may come in to benefit from this Bill.... why would there be any change? If someones going to get a suppressor and use it illegally or for illegal purposes, they probably will (grab a 2 liter bottle..). BUT We're talking about one of the most highly regulated peices of equipment in the firearms realm. It will still be just as hard to get, you'l have to go through just as many checks/scrutiny/etc, the process hasn't changed..
All thats happening is that those who have legally obtained suppressors, can now fire through them without fear of getting a misdemeanor
Post by: AWS on April 11, 2011, 01:06:37 PM
AWS
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on April 11, 2011, 07:29:36 PM
There are almost no culling operations done by sport hunters, urban hunting is pretty much vorboten for sport hunter(even if it's quiet your still firing a round that will travel very far) and a $1000. for every rifle of a different caliber I own in lew of a pair of $100 electronic ear muffs (realy good ones) still leaves most the advantages for the criminal element that I can see. Still waiting for a better argument FOR.
AWS
I'm with you AWS, don't know why folks are so horned up about this??? I like the hearing one. laffin...
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on April 11, 2011, 07:44:33 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 11, 2011, 07:45:58 PM
How does the trust paperwork system work? Is that done at the dealer also or straight through the ATF?
It's done at the dealer where you buy the supressor. You buy the suppressor, the dealer makes out the trust papers with the serial number of the can, and sends the paperwork and your $200 money order to the ATF. When your tax stamp and trust come back to the dealer, you are clear to take home your suppressor, tax stamp, and trust paperwork. Expect a 3 to 6 month wait. (or more.)
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on April 11, 2011, 07:50:35 PM
Post by: Heredoggydoggy on April 11, 2011, 08:02:25 PM
That process needs to be streamlined if you already have a CPL. :twocents:
The CPL is a State permit. The Feds could care less who has one. The wheels of the Federal Gummint grind slowly................slowly.................................s l o w l y............................................
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 11, 2011, 08:20:15 PM
So what is the bennefit of this bill other than you can use something bigger than a 22 to poach with.A big push also came at the toes of the the police departments. They will probably outfit many of the firearms with cans as you can just throw on hearing aids. It is cheaper in the long run than paying for hearing aids. If I could mount one on my duck gun that was efficient I would do it in a second. I have permanent ringing in my left ear from shooting. It won't create more poaching as that has already been done by many with unsuppressed guns, cross bows, bows,etc.
I've done alot of predator control work in the past and if you need quiet you go with a long barrel 22H or a light loaded 223. Just can't see any benefit for a law abiding citizen, clue me in.
AWS
Post by: h2ofowlr on April 11, 2011, 08:20:44 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,74373.msg908632/topicseen.html#new (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,74373.msg908632/topicseen.html#new)
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on April 11, 2011, 08:28:35 PM
That process needs to be streamlined if you already have a CPL. :twocents:
The CPL is a State permit. The Feds could care less who has one. The wheels of the Federal Gummint grind slowly................slowly.................................s l o w l y............................................
But, the application for a CPL includes an federal back ground check. Already having a CPL should cut the application time in half if not more.
Post by: BlackRidge on April 11, 2011, 08:46:11 PM