Post by: grundy53 on April 17, 2011, 11:45:19 AM
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Post by: huntnnw on April 17, 2011, 03:41:10 PM
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Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2011, 09:21:40 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 17, 2011, 09:32:35 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2011, 09:36:02 PM
open on both sides.. it saved us about 2 hrs of walking by parking in ID and walking to our spot.. I told the official that u better be ticketing every ID guide or hunter who parks in ID and uses horses to get to a spot in MT and vice versa..I said this crap goes on all over on the MT\ID border.
Did you have licenses for both though?
Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
State agencies and especially the feds (USFWS) are starting to hammer the people who violate state hunting (and fishing) laws and bring game into another state.
Post by: grundy53 on April 17, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2011, 09:43:26 PM
I will have a license for both states.
Shouldn't be any issues then
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2011, 09:51:09 PM
open on both sides.. it saved us about 2 hrs of walking by parking in ID and walking to our spot.. I told the official that u better be ticketing every ID guide or hunter who parks in ID and uses horses to get to a spot in MT and vice versa..I said this crap goes on all over on the MT\ID border.
That's true. I went on a guided bear hunt in Idaho with my dad several years ago. We met the outfitter in St. Regis, Montana, and due to the deep snow still on the roads (this was in April), we had to park the trucks in Montana, several miles from the Idaho border, and ride snowmobiles up and over a pass, on Forest Service roads, and then down to the outfitter's camp, which was in Idaho. Could we have been charged with hunting in Montana just because we were riding through on snowmobiles? Or is it only if you are not using a vehicle? If walking with a gun do game wardens always assume one is hunting? What if your gun is not loaded?
Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2011, 10:07:12 PM
open on both sides.. it saved us about 2 hrs of walking by parking in ID and walking to our spot.. I told the official that u better be ticketing every ID guide or hunter who parks in ID and uses horses to get to a spot in MT and vice versa..I said this crap goes on all over on the MT\ID border.
If walking with a gun do game wardens always assume one is hunting? What if your gun is not loaded?
If you add walking with a gun plus camo and any other hunting gear then your going to have to prove to the judge that you weren't hunting because most likely the officer will cite you. I know somebody who was legally hunting, hunting hours expired so he unloaded but still had about a 1/2 mile to walk to his truck and when he got to the truck there wasn an officer there and he cited him for hunting after shooting hours. He lawyered up and the judge actually still found him guilty in a bench trial. Obviously this example was a little different then your question but still has similar circumstances.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on April 17, 2011, 10:15:26 PM
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If you add walking with a gun plus camo and any other hunting gear then your going to have to prove to the judge that you weren't hunting because most likely the officer will cite you. I know somebody who was legally hunting, hunting hours expired so he unloaded but still had about a 1/2 mile to walk to his truck and when he got to the truck there wasn an officer there and he cited him for hunting after shooting hours. He lawyered up and the judge actually still found him guilty in a bench trial. Obviously this example was a little different then your question but still has similar circumstances.I am NEVER in my vehicle before dark, although I am carrying a bow and not a firearm, 1/2 mile walk is nothing, sometimes I am well over a mile.
I would think there was more to this story, or he was in an area that had a "case law" (where weapons must be cased after hours)
or the officer heard shooting after legal hours.. :dunno:
but then again, I have heard some pretty silly stories about some ridiculous citations..
Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2011, 10:16:41 PM
QuoteIf you add walking with a gun plus camo and any other hunting gear then your going to have to prove to the judge that you weren't hunting because most likely the officer will cite you. I know somebody who was legally hunting, hunting hours expired so he unloaded but still had about a 1/2 mile to walk to his truck and when he got to the truck there wasn an officer there and he cited him for hunting after shooting hours. He lawyered up and the judge actually still found him guilty in a bench trial. Obviously this example was a little different then your question but still has similar circumstances.I am NEVER in my vehicle before dark, although I am carrying a bow and not a firearm, 1/2 mile walk is nothing, sometimes I am well over a mile.
I would think there was more to this story, or he was in an area that had a "case law" (where weapons must be cased after hours)
or the officer heard shooting after legal hours.. :dunno:
but then again, I have heard some pretty silly stories about some ridiculous citations..
Nope. Just as I typed it. And I personally read the case report.
Post by: bobcat on April 17, 2011, 10:28:25 PM
Many times I have hiked three to four miles into an area to hunt deer and I would start my hike at around 3:30 in the morning. So I could be cited for hunting before hours? :dunno:
This is just unbelievable. How many people wait until legal hunting time to get out of their truck and start hiking to their hunting area?
Post by: bigtex on April 17, 2011, 10:35:43 PM
Many times I have hiked three to four miles into an area to hunt deer and I would start my hike at around 3:30 in the morning. So I could be cited for hunting before hours? :dunno:
This is just unbelievable. How many people wait until legal hunting time to get out of their truck and start hiking to their hunting area?
Well I brought that up as just one (extreme) example. Obviously there are a ton of people who get into/leave the woods before/after hours and aren't cited. It all depends on the officer and how they justified the citation, and in the case I mentioned the judge agreed with the officer.
Post by: Curly on April 18, 2011, 08:41:41 AM
Many times I have hiked three to four miles into an area to hunt deer and I would start my hike at around 3:30 in the morning. So I could be cited for hunting before hours? :dunno:
This is just unbelievable. How many people wait until legal hunting time to get out of their truck and start hiking to their hunting area?
Well I brought that up as just one (extreme) example. Obviously there are a ton of people who get into/leave the woods before/after hours and aren't cited. It all depends on the officer and how they justified the citation, and in the case I mentioned the judge agreed with the officer.
Well, the case you mention Bigtex, IMO the WDFW officer should be fired and the judge should be removed. That is total injustice and I wouldn't be surprised if the poor sportsman that got treated so badly never hunts again in this state........I know I wouldn't if I had been treated that way.
Post by: 724wd on April 18, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 18, 2011, 12:26:04 PM
Many times I have hiked three to four miles into an area to hunt deer and I would start my hike at around 3:30 in the morning. So I could be cited for hunting before hours? :dunno:
This is just unbelievable. How many people wait until legal hunting time to get out of their truck and start hiking to their hunting area?
Well I brought that up as just one (extreme) example. Obviously there are a ton of people who get into/leave the woods before/after hours and aren't cited. It all depends on the officer and how they justified the citation, and in the case I mentioned the judge agreed with the officer.
Well, the case you mention Bigtex, IMO the WDFW officer should be fired and the judge should be removed. That is total injustice and I wouldn't be surprised if the poor sportsman that got treated so badly never hunts again in this state........I know I wouldn't if I had been treated that way.
:yeah:
Post by: Curly on April 18, 2011, 12:41:51 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 18, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
Many times I have hiked three to four miles into an area to hunt deer and I would start my hike at around 3:30 in the morning. So I could be cited for hunting before hours? :dunno:
This is just unbelievable. How many people wait until legal hunting time to get out of their truck and start hiking to their hunting area?
Well I brought that up as just one (extreme) example. Obviously there are a ton of people who get into/leave the woods before/after hours and aren't cited. It all depends on the officer and how they justified the citation, and in the case I mentioned the judge agreed with the officer.
Well, the case you mention Bigtex, IMO the WDFW officer should be fired and the judge should be removed. That is total injustice and I wouldn't be surprised if the poor sportsman that got treated so badly never hunts again in this state........I know I wouldn't if I had been treated that way.
Well he still hunts to this day, and now he takes his kids out hunting.
I think the issue is within the WAC. WAC 232-12-291 states "It is unlawful to hunt wild animals or wild birds contrary to posted or official hunting hours in current season regulations". According to RCW 77.08.010: "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird. So if the officer could make a strong enough case that you were actually hunting then it could be a tough case to prove that you weren't. Obviously if the WAC involved shooting something after hours then thats a different story and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Post by: MtnMuley on April 18, 2011, 02:29:49 PM
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