Post by: bigtex on April 24, 2011, 02:43:46 PM
Effective Sept 1 the following license fees will change:
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• The duplicate catch record card is increased from $10 to $11.
• The dungeness crab endorsement is increased from $3 to $7.50.
• All packages of the resident big-game hunting license are increased from between $36 and $56 to between $39 and $75, depending on the package purchased.
• All packages of the non-resident big-game hunting license are increased from between $360 and $660 to between $396 and $780, depending on the package purchased.
• The special hunt permit for goat, sheep, moose, or other big game not in a big-game license package is increased from $100 to $300 (resident) and $1,000 to $1,500 (nonresident).
• The multiple-season big-game license is increased from $150 to $165.
• The small game hunting license is increased from $30 to $35 (resident) and $50 to $65 (non-resident).
• The combination recreational fishing license is increased from $36 to $45 (resident) and $72 to $108 (non-resident).
• The saltwater recreational fishing license is increased from $18 to $25 (resident) and $36 to $52 (non-resident).
• The freshwater recreational fishing license is increased from $20 to $25 (resident) and $40 to $75 (non-resident).
• The temporary recreational fishing license is increased from between $7 to $8 (resident) and $14 to $16 (non-resident) and from $13 to $15 (resident) and $26 to $30 (non-resident), depending on length of temporary license purchased.
• The charter stamp is increased from $7 to $8.
• The recreational shellfish and seaweed license is increased between $7 to $10 for resident youth and $15 to $18 for non-residents.
• The Columbia River salmon and steelhead stamp is decreased from $7.50 to $6 for youth and seniors only.
Post by: lokidog on April 24, 2011, 02:54:54 PM
They cut back and back on seasons....
Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2011, 02:56:38 PM
Post by: bigtex on April 24, 2011, 03:02:17 PM
Thanks for posting that. What about the 2nd deer tag permit? It was proposed to be increased to $70 or $80. Since I don't see it listed there, is it safe to assume it will be staying the same?
It will be staying the same, atleast for this year.
Post by: bobcat on April 24, 2011, 03:04:50 PM
Post by: washingtonmuley on April 24, 2011, 03:06:01 PM
Post by: bearpaw on April 24, 2011, 03:16:21 PM
Post by: oldleclercrd on April 24, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on April 25, 2011, 03:53:23 AM
Post by: rickc on April 25, 2011, 06:17:45 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 25, 2011, 07:09:19 AM
Post by: Special T on April 25, 2011, 01:36:12 PM
Post by: Tom Reichner on April 25, 2011, 02:09:09 PM
Increases are upsetting to me too, but we are still in line with most other states. Most states have had increases in the last 2 years. :bash:
In line with most other states? I don't think so. In line with other western states, maybe. But compared to my native Pennsylvania, we are a rip-off.
Here's a line from the PA Game Commission's website concerning current license fees:
Resident Adult Hunting (age17 - 64) $20.70
This $20.70 includes regular (rifle) season deer hunting, all small game hunting, turkey hunting, coyote hunting, varmint hunting (woodchucks, crows, etc), and waterfowl hunting (of course, you also need the duck stamp for waterfowl).
Post by: bigtex on April 25, 2011, 02:20:50 PM
Increases are upsetting to me too, but we are still in line with most other states. Most states have had increases in the last 2 years. :bash:
In line with most other states? I don't think so. In line with other western states, maybe. But compared to my native Pennsylvania, we are a rip-off.
Here's a line from the PA Game Commission's website concerning current license fees:
Resident Adult Hunting (age17 - 64) $20.70
This $20.70 includes regular (rifle) season deer hunting, all small game hunting, turkey hunting, coyote hunting, varmint hunting (woodchucks, crows, etc), and waterfowl hunting (of course, you also need the duck stamp for waterfowl).
You cant compare Washington with east coast states or states with lower income levels. Thats like saying Washington's licenses are more expensive then W Virginia, well duh! Fee's are based on income levels, even citation fines are based on income level. For example a federal citation for underage drinking in W Virginia is $50, in E. WA it is $275, S. Cali it is $375.
Post by: singleshot12 on April 25, 2011, 02:46:32 PM
So, where are our increases in opportunity? :bash:
They cut back and back on seasons....
People are and will get tired of paying more for less real soon. With a poor economy, fuel prices etc. most middle class people are going to stop buying licenses to hunt and fish which = less money for the general fund wildlife etc.
Like someone mentioned above hunting and fishing should be all about providing for the family, and we are getting farther and farther from that each year. Pretty sad and disgusting at the same time. I know my kids are already discouraged.
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 25, 2011, 03:06:45 PM
I've lost a lot of archery days in the last three years without much of an explanation. Restrictions seem to be tighter with the new 4 pt restriction in the east and several units going from any elk to something more restrictive. At what point is the commission going to say enough is enough and stop making it harder to hunt, and more expensive at the same time? I'd tolerate increases in my fees much better if I saw something for them coming to me. Am I missing something? BigTex, any words of encouragement for those of us who feel this is less and less of a two-way street?
Post by: Bob33 on April 25, 2011, 03:07:00 PM
Like someone mentioned above hunting and fishing should be all about providing for the family, and we are getting farther and farther from that each year.I like your signature: "Hunting and fishing is putting meat on the table plus much,much more"
For many of us, hunting is more than just feeding our families. It's a passion that we developed from many wonderful experiences, and we hope to pass that on to our children and future generations. I don't like price increases, but they're a fact of life called inflation caused in part by governments spending more money than they have. I remember getting deer tags as a youth for less than $5. I also remember $.24 gas, $8000 houses in Seattle, $2000 cars, and lots of other things. Man, I just aged myself...
Post by: bigtex on April 25, 2011, 03:13:15 PM
Like someone mentioned above hunting and fishing should be all about providing for the family, and we are getting farther and farther from that each year.I like your signature: "Hunting and fishing is putting meat on the table plus much,much more"
For many of us, hunting is more than just feeding our families. It's a passion that we developed from many wonderful experiences, and we hope to pass that on to our children and future generations. I don't like price increases, but they're a fact of life called inflation caused in part by governments spending more money than they have. I remember getting deer tags as a youth for less than $5. I also remember $.24 gas, $8000 houses in Seattle, $2000 cars, and lots of other things. Man, I just aged myself...
:yeah:
Post by: bigtex on April 25, 2011, 03:28:17 PM
I've lost a lot of archery days in the last three years without much of an explanation. Restrictions seem to be tighter with the new 4 pt restriction in the east and several units going from any elk to something more restrictive. At what point is the commission going to say enough is enough and stop making it harder to hunt, and more expensive at the same time? I'd tolerate increases in my fees much better if I saw something for them coming to me. Am I missing something? BigTex, any words of encouragement for those of us who feel this is less and less of a two-way street?
Unfortunately I think it's something that we just have to get use to. We've seen increases in everything from liquor at state stores, to tolls on the narrows soon to be 520, the new Discovery Pass for state lands. I think we just have to get use to paying more for less. Another example, In the past 5 years (maybe even less) about 10 state parks have been transferred out of state ownership to cities, counties, and tribes, but yet the camping fee was increased by $1 a night and now the Discovery Pass will be required, even though there are fewer parks to staff and maintain.
I don't think there is any magic thing or glimpse of hope I or anybody else can say, just get use to it. :dunno:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 25, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
Post by: mulehunter on April 25, 2011, 04:19:25 PM
When are WE ALL EVER GET a dollar RAISE FROM WORK.....
Mulehunter. :bash: :bash:
Post by: uplandhunter870 on April 25, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
the state does very little to actually manage their lands and game. they dont have funding to hire new managers on a permanent status. why should we have to be paying more for the same and sometimes less, i for one will not bow into that mind set. if they plan to increase the cost to pursue outdoor recreation they had better be doing something with the increased revenue other than putting into the "bail out christine spend a mint gregoire" fund
i may live in bozeman but i am still a washingtonian and will not pay for higher priced tags and special apps.
Post by: singleshot12 on April 25, 2011, 06:06:08 PM
I've lost a lot of archery days in the last three years without much of an explanation. Restrictions seem to be tighter with the new 4 pt restriction in the east and several units going from any elk to something more restrictive. At what point is the commission going to say enough is enough and stop making it harder to hunt, and more expensive at the same time? I'd tolerate increases in my fees much better if I saw something for them coming to me. Am I missing something? BigTex, any words of encouragement for those of us who feel this is less and less of a two-way street?
Unfortunately I think it's something that we just have to get use to. We've seen increases in everything from liquor at state stores, to tolls on the narrows soon to be 520, the new Discovery Pass for state lands. I think we just have to get use to paying more for less. Another example, In the past 5 years (maybe even less) about 10 state parks have been transferred out of state ownership to cities, counties, and tribes, but yet the camping fee was increased by $1 a night and now the Discovery Pass will be required, even though there are fewer parks to staff and maintain.
I don't think there is any magic thing or glimpse of hope I or anybody else can say, just get use to it. :dunno:
"Getting used to it" is alot easier if one can afford it, but not many these days can afford all the differant increases these days. So it would seem inevitable that most folks will not continue to buy licences which would result in less revenue for wdfw in the long run.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 25, 2011, 06:17:43 PM
Post by: grundy53 on April 25, 2011, 06:21:10 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on April 25, 2011, 06:22:07 PM
Post by: dontgetcrabs on April 25, 2011, 07:18:34 PM
Post by: phishisgroovin on April 25, 2011, 08:20:23 PM
Post by: lokidog on April 25, 2011, 09:23:43 PM
Ok we'll just bend over and get used to it. :bash: :bash: :bash:
That's the word from the WDFW representative himself as stated above. We just have to "just get used to it."
BULLSH*T!!!!!!!
Increased fees are one thing due to inflation. But guess what? THERE HAS BEEN AN AVERAGE 2.4% inflation rate over the last TEN years! What percentage have hunting and fishing licenses gone up in the same time period??
AND, if you are going to raise fees, why do you also have to DECREASE opportunity? Riddle me that State man!
It is time to clean house, from our POS Federal Senators and Representatives to the Governor, our state ones, and WDFW "managers" that don't seem to know how to manage.
Yeah, I'm venting a little since I just read through the Puget Sound Rockfish Management Plan as well as this crap.
Post by: Bob33 on April 25, 2011, 10:12:02 PM
Increased fees are one thing due to inflation. But guess what? THERE HAS BEEN AN AVERAGE 2.4% inflation rate over the last TEN years! What percentage have hunting and fishing licenses gone up in the same time period??Here are some fees from 2000 and 2010 with the average annual increase on a compounded basis:
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Post by: lokidog on April 25, 2011, 10:16:56 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 25, 2011, 10:22:49 PM
I don't know much about the fishing. Maybe they've increased more?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on April 26, 2011, 08:06:32 AM
Post by: lokidog on April 26, 2011, 08:19:00 AM
And now, this year, six days of shrimping (including several days on huge tidal changes), again no rockfish, attemps to close salmon fishing/access off on San Juan Island west side, size limits for diver (how DO you measure one before whacking it?), etc.
Post by: dreamingbig on April 26, 2011, 08:32:53 AM
However, (big however) they need to be held accountable for the decisions they are making and that is where we need to band together and voice our dissent. They need to reallocate resources to the right areas (enforcement, population surveys, biologists) and trim the fat.
Post by: Bob33 on April 26, 2011, 08:33:46 AM
In 2010 the special hunt permit process changed significantly and it was promised that the additional fees would be used to purchase land to open up more hunting opportunity. What lands have been purchased so far? What additional hunting opportunities are available now?
Post by: dreamingbig on April 26, 2011, 08:39:46 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on April 26, 2011, 04:17:27 PM
Increases are upsetting to me too, but we are still in line with most other states. Most states have had increases in the last 2 years. :bash:
In line with most other states? I don't think so. In line with other western states, maybe. But compared to my native Pennsylvania, we are a rip-off.
Here's a line from the PA Game Commission's website concerning current license fees:
Resident Adult Hunting (age17 - 64) $20.70
This $20.70 includes regular (rifle) season deer hunting, all small game hunting, turkey hunting, coyote hunting, varmint hunting (woodchucks, crows, etc), and waterfowl hunting (of course, you also need the duck stamp for waterfowl).
You cant compare Washington with east coast states or states with lower income levels. Thats like saying Washington's licenses are more expensive then W Virginia, well duh! Fee's are based on income levels, even citation fines are based on income level. For example a federal citation for underage drinking in W Virginia is $50, in E. WA it is $275, S. Cali it is $375.
Big Tex, I disagree with fees being based on the economy. In my opinion, they're based on what we 'allow' them to get away with. Standard license costs are high for residents compared to other Rocky Mt states plus we pay constantly for all the special drawings, raffles and other opportunities.
In the midwest, people would flood to the town hall meetings to complain about an increase in license cost etc. Out here, we just pay it and say thanx.
Post by: bobcat on April 26, 2011, 07:10:51 PM
Of course, as Bob33 said, we had one of the biggest increases last year when they created all the additional (and mostly unnecessary) special hunt categories). I'm curiously awaiting an announcement from the WDFW as to where exactly all that money was spent. (as they said it was to go for providing additional access to hunters on private lands)
Post by: dscubame on April 26, 2011, 07:17:11 PM
Post by: Little Dave on May 08, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
To support a budget of $100K in Spokane, you will need $97K in Pittsburgh.
To support a budget of $100K in Seattle, you will need $104K in Philadelphia.
For West Virginia:
To support a budget of $100K in Yakima, you will need $97K in Charleston.
Cost of living in Philadelphia is HIGHER than it is in Seattle. Generally, cost of living in Pennsylvania is very similar to cost of living in Washington. Federal fines are more likely a reflection of political clout than demographics. West Virginia had eight term Senator Robert Byrd, we have Murray and Cantwell who seem more likely to use their position to raise penalties on their constituents as a good thing, Feinstein and Boxer in California... you get the idea.
The most probable reason why hunting licenses cost less in Pennsylvania is that there are more hunters there per capita. Enough hunters to fund game management through the sale of cheaper hunting licenses.
Post by: Special T on May 08, 2011, 04:10:05 PM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on May 20, 2011, 08:16:57 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on May 20, 2011, 09:15:57 AM
Comparing Pennsylvania cost of living to Washington:
To support a budget of $100K in Spokane, you will need $97K in Pittsburgh.
To support a budget of $100K in Seattle, you will need $104K in Philadelphia.
For West Virginia:
To support a budget of $100K in Yakima, you will need $97K in Charleston.
Cost of living in Philadelphia is HIGHER than it is in Seattle. Generally, cost of living in Pennsylvania is very similar to cost of living in Washington. Federal fines are more likely a reflection of political clout than demographics. West Virginia had eight term Senator Robert Byrd, we have Murray and Cantwell who seem more likely to use their position to raise penalties on their constituents as a good thing, Feinstein and Boxer in California... you get the idea.
The most probable reason why hunting licenses cost less in Pennsylvania is that there are more hunters there per capita. Enough hunters to fund game management through the sale of cheaper hunting licenses.
Your last statement says it all. That's what we had prior to Resource Allocation...a lot more hunters. With all the reduction of opportunity brought on starting in the 80's and evolving into "we want to be like Utah, Nevada and every other western state", we have decreased our hunting participation and numbers by probably two thirds.
Course many buy into the less hunters is better due to less pressure argument which is baloney. You can generally still only take one animal (unless now 2nd tag) and only have so much time one can take off. It was self limiting before Resource Allocation and still would be.
So in summary we have created our own mess. More regulations, higher fees, resulting in less opportunity, has put us where we are at. You want to have good revenue coming in.....put your house in order. If WDFW chooses to own all the land it does as well as over 600 access sites statewide for boat launches etc, and brag about it....then *censored* take care of them. Make them showcases so that when your users show up they say WOW! That way if WDFW has to raise fees periodically, people will readily support it. Unlike now where increases mean same or less.
Get rid of the waste. Prioritize programs that do something for both the resource and the public. A lot in the agency is about the "sky might fall", therefore we must have all these positions to make sure it doesn't. What a crock. There is so much waste and inefficiency in WDFW it is shameful.
This will really hit home when you all figure out that after drawing your usual tags as you have done in the past, it will take forever to draw again. All you have to do is look at the average points for an individual permit. My favorite hunt went from 100 tags with 600 applicants in the 90's with one choice to 2200 applicants for those tags with four choices, up until last year, where it again increased to approximately 2600 due to doe hunters putting in because they don't have to worry about losing their anterless points.
What the hell was wrong with ONE choice deer, elk or otherwise. Everyone with the exception of areas back then like the Watershed drew every 3-4 years. Now if you draw, you'll skip a decade or more. What a mess these idiots in WDFW have created.
Post by: Lunatic Fringe on May 20, 2011, 12:06:04 PM
Post by: Special T on May 20, 2011, 02:56:05 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on May 21, 2011, 08:01:12 AM
The only fee that I've seen that seems to have gone up significantly, is the goat, sheep, and moose tags, which went from $100 to $300. And honestly, I can't argue with those increases as I feel a once in a lifetime tag for any of those three species is well worth the $300.
Of course, as Bob33 said, we had one of the biggest increases last year when they created all the additional (and mostly unnecessary) special hunt categories). I'm curiously awaiting an announcement from the WDFW as to where exactly all that money was spent. (as they said it was to go for providing additional access to hunters on private lands)
Significantly?? Ever heard the story of the frog and the boiling water??
First you probably won't see it.
second ,why the differance in the increases where resident price up 200% and non resident up only 50%
And DON"T forget your discover pas(ses)
there are a couple increases here...
• All packages of the resident big-game hunting license are increased from between $36 and $56 to between $39 and $75, depending on the package purchased.
Up what...20%
• All packages of the non-resident big-game hunting license are increased from between $360 and $660 to between $396 and $780, depending on the package purchased.
another approx 20%
• The special hunt permit for goat, sheep, moose, or other big game not in a big-game license package is increased from $100 to $300 (resident)
UP 200%
and $1,000 to $1,500 (nonresident).
up 50%
GREAT POST Wacenturian!! I TOTALLY agree!!
Post by: Gringo31 on May 24, 2011, 03:22:50 PM
I see this more and more about money....nothing more. More raffle choices, the change in permits, price increases......Can you think of an area where they can increase revenue that they haven't? Maybe they could drop some of the costs of staff behind a desk in Olympia by canning a few "non-essential" personnel and get some of the LONG list of guys looking for a warden job and let them work commission? Less cost and better enforcement. Seems like a win win for me. :dunno:
P.S. In a mood to bitch a bit so forgive me.....
Post by: Miles on December 16, 2016, 01:03:11 PM
Post by: bowbuild on December 16, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
Increases are upsetting to me too, but we are still in line with most other states. Most states have had increases in the last 2 years. :bash:
In line with most other states? I don't think so. In line with other western states, maybe. But compared to my native Pennsylvania, we are a rip-off.
Here's a line from the PA Game Commission's website concerning current license fees:
Resident Adult Hunting (age17 - 64) $20.70
This $20.70 includes regular (rifle) season deer hunting, all small game hunting, turkey hunting, coyote hunting, varmint hunting (woodchucks, crows, etc), and waterfowl hunting (of course, you also need the duck stamp for waterfowl).
You cant compare Washington with east coast states or states with lower income levels. Thats like saying Washington's licenses are more expensive then W Virginia, well duh! Fee's are based on income levels, even citation fines are based on income level. For example a federal citation for underage drinking in W Virginia is $50, in E. WA it is $275, S. Cali it is $375.
Didn't know deer/elk formed unions based on state incomes....news to me! :bash:
Post by: bigtex on December 16, 2016, 04:02:53 PM
Un frickin real, these increases are ridiculous, especially the oil tags!!! I mean let's face it, 99% of us on this forum maybe 95% will never hunt moose sheep or goat in our lifetime. That increase is complete BS, those percentages should be flip-flopped with the non-resident Id feel a little better about that. It shouldn't be a burden after the joy of drawing what are these coveted tags to come up with another 300$! Yeah of course it's worth it, that's a no brainier, but G D we are residents here for Gods sake! :bash: :bash: :bash:. Like others have said, increase the fees with inflation, that makes sense, frigin tax loving , fee increasing liberal s hole state can really cram it! Can't wait to retire and get the F out of here!This thread is several years old....
Mods may be a good idea to lock this one to prevent confusion...
Post by: trophyhunt on December 16, 2016, 04:04:31 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on December 16, 2016, 04:05:42 PM
Post by: Miles on December 16, 2016, 04:32:17 PM
I think it's important to better see the never ending bs cycle of fee increases. They hope everyone forgets the bs reasons and stories they gave a few years back. That and all the promises of what they were going to do with the money... Which more than likely never happened.
Many people do forget. This thread bump was just to serve as a reminder of the past. :hello:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 16, 2016, 05:35:58 PM