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Title: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: demontang on April 27, 2011, 03:35:34 PM
There is a speices of ground squirrel that is protected and they look like townsends which the state has a state consurn on. be carefull what you shoot at :twocents:

state regs
Gopher None Year Round Except mazama pocket gophers
Gray and fox squirrels None Year Round Except western gray squirrels
Ground squirrels None Year Round Except golden-mantled and Washington ground squirrels Moles None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Nutria None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Virginia opossum None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Porcupine None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Shrews None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Spotted skunk None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Striped skunk None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Voles None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Yellow-bellied marmot None Year Round Hunting license required.
Note: Olympic and Hoary marmots are protected. 

 

Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: BIGINNER on April 27, 2011, 03:39:16 PM
IF IT MOVES.....  IT DIES!!!  LOL  :chuckle:   JK. :hello:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: grundy53 on April 27, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
How can a guy tell the difference between them?
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: BIGINNER on April 27, 2011, 03:44:27 PM
I CAN   :)   :IBCOOL:  BUT I DON'T GIVE OUT SECRETS LIKE THAT   ;)
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: grundy53 on April 27, 2011, 03:54:02 PM
I CAN   :)   :IBCOOL:  BUT I DON'T GIVE OUT SECRETS LIKE THAT   ;)

OK  :dunno:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: BIGINNER on April 27, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
I CAN   :)   :IBCOOL:  BUT I DON'T GIVE OUT SECRETS LIKE THAT   ;)

OK  :dunno:

LOL,  SORRY,  JUST MESSIN WITH YOU..  :)
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on April 27, 2011, 04:33:17 PM
There's two types of Golden-mantled and both look similar to a chipmunk.  As for the Washington ground it lives in the Basin,  mostly Douglas, Grant, and Adams counties.  Looking at the few pictures I found it appears to have light spots instead of all one color like CA ground squirrels.

Washington Ground Squirrel (Spermophilus washingtoni)
Order Rodentia, Family Sciuridae
General range: Southeastern Washington and small area of Oregon in Gilliam, Morrow, and Umatilla Counties.
Range in Washington: East of Columbia River from center of state southward.
habitat: Sagebrush and grassland.
diet: Herbivore.
habits: Hiberntes.
identification: Gray; white spots; short tail with blackish tip. Total length: 18-25 cm; tail: 3-7 cm; mass: 150-280 g.
conservation: State Candidate; Federal Candidate.

Golden-mantled Ground Squirrel (Spermophilus lateralis)
Order Rodentia, Family Sciuridae
Range in Washington: Extreme northeastern and southeastern corners of the state.
habitat: Wooded and open rocky areas.
diet: Herbivore, also fungus.
habits: Hibernates.
identification: Body stripes like chipmunks, but no head stripes. Head and shoulders coppery-red. Total length: 25-30 cm; tail: 6-12 cm; mass: 175-275 g.

Golden-mantled Ground Squirrel (Spermophilus saturatus)
Order Rodentia, Family Sciuridae
General range: Cascades of Washington and extreme southern British Columbia.
Range in Washington: Cascades.
habitat: Wooded and open rocky areas.
diet: Herbivore, also fungus.
habits: Hibernates.
identification: Body stripes like chipmunks, but no head stripes. Upper pair of dark lines faint. Head and shoulders coppery-red. Total length: 25-30 cm; tail: 6-12 cm; mass: 175-275 g.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: turkeyfeather on April 27, 2011, 04:37:59 PM
I think the real question here is why on earth would you waste ammo on a squirrel. :dunno:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: steeleywhopper on April 27, 2011, 05:26:58 PM
I think the real question here is why on earth would you waste ammo on a squirrel. :dunno:

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: jdb on April 27, 2011, 05:47:12 PM
you guys wondering about wasting ammo are totally missing out. its a blast amd great practice.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 27, 2011, 05:48:31 PM
These "sage rats" have been shot for years around here. We have hundreds and hundreds of these things where I live. They are rodents and need to be controlled. I don't know what the big debate is. Oh, I know, most of you don't know what they are. They are a huge, huge problem.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: DBZona on April 27, 2011, 05:56:35 PM
So...kind of a side topic, but what tree squirrel is ruining my treestand hunting in spokane and stevens counties, cause if I can thin a few of them out I will.  Damn boogers will not shut up!   :mgun:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: goosegetter79 on April 27, 2011, 08:23:27 PM
These "sage rats" have been shot for years around here. We have hundreds and hundreds of these things where I live. They are rodents and need to be controlled. I don't know what the big debate is. Oh, I know, must of you don't know what they are. They are a huge, huge problem.



Ain't that the truth. My grandpa's property in stevens county has quite a few of them there. They've had horses break there legs in the holes. It's a blast too shoot em with the .22lr and .22mag. and cheap.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: demontang on April 27, 2011, 08:25:39 PM
Well if its a eastern gray or fox you can hammer down :chuckle: 


From what Ive see on washington ground squirrels is they look like the townsend and they say there only east of the Columbia and south down into Oregon. :twocents: and I see this state is looking at the townsend as threatend too :dunno: I see these every where and don't know why they would think they are threatend.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Kain on April 27, 2011, 08:26:35 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdepts.washington.edu%2Fnatmap%2Fmaps%2Fwa%2Fmammals%2FWA_washington_ground_squirrel_nm.jpg&hash=c0e000c8596a2d3d735459aa3eef36033e7276a0)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mnh.si.edu%2Fmna%2Fimages%2Fimages%2F825132014184015.jpg&hash=a3cb617898b75bac7a71d2f0a83a2c693cf4cc98)


(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdepts.washington.edu%2Fnatmap%2Fmaps%2Fwa%2Fmammals%2FWA_golden-mantled_ground_squirrel_nm.jpg&hash=33d927e234c37b2db805ce4034f887f6f23bbf88)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnaturalsciences.org%2Fmicrosites%2Feducation%2FYellowstone%2F2006%2Fimages%2FGolden-mantled%2520Ground%2520Squirrel.jpg&hash=0c094ea0f94432e7936b8ca6b79779b6dad9b82f)
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Kain on April 27, 2011, 08:30:26 PM
For info on tree squirrels and identifying them.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_squirrel/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_squirrel/)
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 27, 2011, 09:30:20 PM
So...kind of a side topic, but what tree squirrel is ruining my treestand hunting in spokane and stevens counties, cause if I can thin a few of them out I will.  Damn boogers will not shut up!   :mgun:  :chuckle:

If they "whistle" to talk to each other, those are the ones. We also call them "whistle pigs". They are out from April-May to September. They go into hibernation then.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: grundy53 on April 27, 2011, 09:33:18 PM
So...kind of a side topic, but what tree squirrel is ruining my treestand hunting in spokane and stevens counties, cause if I can thin a few of them out I will.  Damn boogers will not shut up!   :mgun:  :chuckle:

If they "whistle" to talk to each other, those are the ones. We also call them "whistle pigs". They are out from April-May to September. They go into hibernation then.

When I lived near Boise everyone called them whistle pigs too.Had a lot of fun days shooting them.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: CAMPMEAT on April 27, 2011, 09:47:41 PM
I sit on my deck and shoot them. Lotsa fun.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Instinct on April 29, 2011, 07:48:20 PM
So im assuming the grey colored squirrels that you see in the orachards?sage brush country around yakima/selah are the california ground squirrel and u can hunt them? Correct me if im wrong.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: demontang on April 30, 2011, 07:12:32 PM
If they have a long tail they are Cali
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Instinct on April 30, 2011, 07:30:04 PM
Nice. N what ya do wth em
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: ORCA_SIX on May 01, 2011, 04:57:46 AM
Careful some shoot back.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: demontang on May 01, 2011, 01:44:52 PM
Nice. N what ya do wth em

Feed the coyotes and come back to shoot them :chuckle:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Instinct on May 01, 2011, 01:45:56 PM
 :chuckle:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: demontang on May 01, 2011, 09:56:06 PM
It works out pretty well I should have shot two coyotes today that where cruising where I normaly wack squirrels. But for some reason I let them live another day.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 01, 2011, 10:11:30 PM
They were out hot and heavy today. 50 rounds through the Rock River out to 350 yards. Most were warning shots just to let them know I'd be back.... :chuckle:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: boneaddict on May 01, 2011, 10:19:51 PM
If it looks like this shoot.....
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2Fmad6.jpg&hash=dbecb0b07a258113f0c530e8340d8d1020b9e0fa)
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: boneaddict on May 01, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2Ftarget3.jpg&hash=beca1512c10a655212add78bdfdbe89f0d050627)
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: boneaddict on May 01, 2011, 10:23:17 PM
look em in the eye before you pull the trigger
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv47%2Fboneaddict%2Ftarget2.jpg&hash=c0c487c560e495c90e2e522d347138898fe526ea).
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Instinct on May 02, 2011, 08:13:36 AM
Awsome thanks bone. Should get some small game heads for my bow n start knockin on peoples doors who owns orchards
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 02, 2011, 05:00:51 PM
.............they're so cute.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: boneaddict on May 03, 2011, 05:09:22 AM
Weird critters.   I shoot one, and one comes out to eat that one, and I shoot it and then one comes out to hump the one I just killed and why he is giving it to her/him, I shoot him. 
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 03, 2011, 05:17:33 AM
Dang Bone you shoot a guy when he is having a little fun??
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: boneaddict on May 03, 2011, 05:20:04 AM
It was a little too kinky for my taste, so I didn't feel too bad.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: ORCA_SIX on May 03, 2011, 07:18:17 AM
That was the weirdest thing I found when I was hunting them in California during pig hunting breaks. They were like their own medics, trying to drag their buddies back in. Very cool, because then you had more shooting opportunities.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: demontang on May 03, 2011, 09:11:36 AM
I like it when you shoot one and another stands up to see what the bang was  :chuckle:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 03, 2011, 09:14:42 AM
How can a guy tell the difference between them?

Shoot one and then compare it to the pictures in Google! Just Kidding!
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: boneaddict on May 03, 2011, 10:26:10 AM
Another good sport involves a water hose and a 12 gauge.  Turn water one and commence shooting.  410 works good, but it isn't an autoloader. :chuckle:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Buckmark on May 03, 2011, 11:01:10 AM
Another good sport involves a water hose and a 12 gauge.  Turn water one and commence shooting.  410 works good, but it isn't an autoloader. :chuckle:
I found a pic of Doug in action  :chuckle:

Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: runamuk on May 03, 2011, 11:34:49 AM
Weird critters.   I shoot one, and one comes out to eat that one, and I shoot it and then one comes out to hump the one I just killed and why he is giving it to her/him, I shoot him.

Hwy 16 out of Emmett Idaho just past the *censored* Gulch turnoff ( sign says JAG goes to the dump) just before Firebird Raceway...suicidal road rodents would play chicken with the cars doing 70 or better (its Idaho those white signs with numbers have very little meaning) and get squashed so their buddies would race out and begin eating them and get squashed I have no idea how these damn things survive long enough to reproduce :dunno:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: grundy53 on May 03, 2011, 12:23:44 PM
Another good sport involves a water hose and a 12 gauge.  Turn water one and commence shooting.  410 works good, but it isn't an autoloader. :chuckle:
I found a pic of Doug in action  :chuckle:

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Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: sebek556 on May 30, 2011, 10:14:41 AM
Just to let any arrow flingers know that the G5 small game broadhead works awsome on this little guys. At least with my monster 7.0 at 70 lbs 30 in draw. at 30 yards it picked up the dog flew a few more feet then landed in very rocky area. Best of all saved my arrow, thought for sure it would blow straight through and bust on a rock. Still blew through him but the draging of the dead dog slowed it down enough to save the arrow, at least I think.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Bigshooter on June 11, 2012, 05:05:31 AM
There is a speices of ground squirrel that is protected and they look like townsends which the state has a state consurn on. be carefull what you shoot at :twocents:

state regs
Gopher None Year Round Except mazama pocket gophers
Gray and fox squirrels None Year Round Except western gray squirrels
Ground squirrels None Year Round Except golden-mantled and Washington ground squirrels Moles None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Nutria None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Virginia opossum None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Porcupine None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Shrews None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Spotted skunk None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Striped skunk None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Voles None Year Round Hunting license required. 
Yellow-bellied marmot None Year Round Hunting license required.
Note: Olympic and Hoary marmots are protected.

First off I know this is an old post.  But I was thinking about going ground squirrel hunting this weekend and did a search and came across this post.  It says that golden mantled ground squirrels can be hunted year round with a hunting license.  So I went looking through this years regs to make sure that is what it still said.  But this year on page 77 in the regs it says that golden mantled ground squirrels are protected wildlife.  Is this right?  Or is this a mistake in the new regs?  Can someone please clarify this for me.  Thanks.


Here are some more pics that bone posted.  Are these not ok to shoot?  Or are they?

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,7440.msg82670.html#msg82670

Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: demontang on June 11, 2012, 07:08:09 AM
That list  you what you can't shot with the except   The first part list what you can the season and limit.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: Bigshooter on June 12, 2012, 09:22:52 AM
That list  you what you can't shot with the except   The first part list what you can the season and limit.

I understand that. But if you go to page 77 of this years regs it says they are protected and you can't hunt them.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: seth30 on June 12, 2012, 09:37:44 AM
When I lived in WY I shot a ton of praire dogs.  We had a few towns on our property and they always had one that was on watch.  I would shoot him, and they would scamper under ground and come up a few minutes later with a new watch :IBCOOL:.  After a few weeks of doing this I either killed them all, or they moved :tup:
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: buckfvr on June 12, 2012, 09:57:37 AM
Its pretty common over here to  see people shooting them this time of year.  I dont think anyone gives much thought to it.  These are not the striped ones, but google shows every darn dirt diggin machine as a Washington ground squirrel.

I guess I'll seek some clarification when the opportunity arises....
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: TwoSixFourWins on June 24, 2012, 08:25:20 AM
I think the real question here is why on earth would you waste ammo on a squirrel. :dunno:

Because squirrels are DELICIOUS!!! Well not sure about the ground squirrels but the tree squirrels are awesome.
Title: Re: just aheads up if you go ground squirrel hunting/sage rats
Post by: CAMPMEAT on June 24, 2012, 12:13:18 PM
Nobody is gonna care except a treehugger!
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