Post by: Map on April 29, 2011, 09:43:19 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2010/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/2010/)
Post by: dreamingbig on May 04, 2011, 09:21:12 AM
Oh and the 8 archery kills were all spikes if the data is correct. Meaning the branch antlered tags went 0 for 70. I know of a few branch bulls that were taken. Shocked, their harvest data has errors.
Post by: whacker1 on May 04, 2011, 09:55:35 AM
Post by: RancidCrabtree on May 08, 2011, 10:24:40 AM
R. Crabtree
Post by: buglebuster on May 08, 2011, 10:53:13 AM
Post by: whacker1 on May 09, 2011, 09:20:40 AM
What a joke, I know of more bucks shot in some of those areas than it shows. Just goes to show how honest some people are on their reports
I wish they would include what the response was in regards to %, so we would know if there are people that haven't responded yet, but they have improved on the information that we got just 5 years ago and a dramatic improvement in the detail from 10+ years ago.
Post by: Fireant11 on May 09, 2011, 08:21:43 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 09, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
Got a question on these reports. Is the number of points listed the number of points on the bull, or the number of points the permit owner had when they got selected?
It's number of points on the animal (one side). That's why you are asked for that information when you do your harvest report, if you harvest an animal.
Post by: mebco09 on May 15, 2011, 04:14:18 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
So how would you like to be the guy with over 20 points in the elk draw that didn't get drawn.....The draws in this state are a joke!
I agree the draw in this state is a joke, but not for that reason.
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 15, 2011, 05:41:03 PM
-Its a joke exactly because of that reason!So how would you like to be the guy with over 20 points in the elk draw that didn't get drawn.....The draws in this state are a joke!
I agree the draw in this state is a joke, but not for that reason.
Post by: hughjorgan on May 15, 2011, 05:56:40 PM
-Its a joke exactly because of that reason!So how would you like to be the guy with over 20 points in the elk draw that didn't get drawn.....The draws in this state are a joke!
I agree the draw in this state is a joke, but not for that reason.
All that shows is that no matter how many points you have 1 or 20 is that you have a chance. What is a joke is what they did to the system last year that screwed peoples odds up big time.
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 15, 2011, 06:13:47 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 15, 2011, 06:27:16 PM
I like oregons, The top points guys get drawn so the applicant pools turn over, plus first time applicants have a chance! Perfect system!To each his own. Here are actual draw stats for the Wenaha elk hunt with bow. Of 189 non resident applicants, 1 drew with 15 points.
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Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2011, 06:28:02 PM
I like oregons, The top points guys get drawn so the applicant pools turn over, plus first time applicants have a chance! Perfect system!
It works there because they basically have no general season. It wouldn't work here for that reason, IMO.
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2011, 06:28:39 PM
-Its a joke exactly because of that reason!So how would you like to be the guy with over 20 points in the elk draw that didn't get drawn.....The draws in this state are a joke!
I agree the draw in this state is a joke, but not for that reason.
All that shows is that no matter how many points you have 1 or 20 is that you have a chance. What is a joke is what they did to the system last year that screwed peoples odds up big time.
:yeah:
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 15, 2011, 06:33:42 PM
-They have a awesome general season! Just as good as ours! Plus a permit season that works! We need to recruite some odfw managers to come on this side of the river! See if they will trade for ware...I like oregons, The top points guys get drawn so the applicant pools turn over, plus first time applicants have a chance! Perfect system!
It works there because they basically have no general season. It wouldn't work here for that reason, IMO.
Post by: bobcat on May 15, 2011, 06:36:27 PM
-They have a awesome general season! Just as good as ours! Plus a permit season that works! We need to recruite some odfw managers to come on this side of the river! See if they will trade for ware...I like oregons, The top points guys get drawn so the applicant pools turn over, plus first time applicants have a chance! Perfect system!
It works there because they basically have no general season. It wouldn't work here for that reason, IMO.
General season for what? There is no general rifle season for mule deer. And most of eastern Oregon is permit only for elk. A few units do have a general season for spikes. And then yes, they do have a general archery season. And basically no muzzleloader season.
So what general season is it that you think is awesome? You talking western Oregon?
Post by: SkookumHntr on May 15, 2011, 06:40:14 PM
Post by: hughjorgan on May 15, 2011, 07:14:59 PM
Post by: Lowedog on May 16, 2011, 06:04:36 AM
Are people thinking if they say they were unsuccessful that they will issue more permits for that hunt or that less people will apply?
Post by: whacker1 on May 16, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
I don't understand the thinking of not being honest when reporting. I have watched certain permit hunts harvest totals over the years and on some have had knowledge of more animals killed than reported.
Are people thinking if they say they were unsuccessful that they will issue more permits for that hunt or that less people will apply?
I have wondered the same thing. I know a lot of people that have made the same comment in Idaho.
I know one of the big issues in WA, is that people don't report in time to generate the report. Due date of January and Report comes out in April, when many folks won't buy their licenses and pay $10 penalty or report until the fall.
I like the system, but I wonder what the participation level is 50%, 60%? higher maybe?
Post by: 6x6in6 on May 16, 2011, 01:08:14 PM
Actually, not all of the odds got worse.-Its a joke exactly because of that reason!So how would you like to be the guy with over 20 points in the elk draw that didn't get drawn.....The draws in this state are a joke!
I agree the draw in this state is a joke, but not for that reason.
All that shows is that no matter how many points you have 1 or 20 is that you have a chance. What is a joke is what they did to the system last year that screwed peoples odds up big time.
And it's chances of winning, not odds of winning. From a mathematical stand point anyways.
The Quality Bull tag applications actually remained very similar to 2009. Probably because people understand that the chances here truly suck!!!!
The Special bull and antlerless tags really took a beating on increased applications. For bull the chances of winning got twice as worse and the antlerless tags got basically 3-4 times worse.
The meat hunters with points came out of the woodwork for the antlerless draw. :chuckle: