Post by: Team Baze on May 04, 2011, 04:47:01 PM
Post by: archery288 on May 04, 2011, 04:50:12 PM
I wish I would have been drawn for the dang tag :'( - so congrats on being selected! :hello:
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2011, 04:53:27 PM
Post by: bwhntr350 on May 04, 2011, 04:57:32 PM
I agree with you! What are you getting for the money? You get to hunt three weapon types so that does not add up. You do not get an extra deer or two.
In my opinion, the state should just offer that deal to everyone. They would make some extra cash to steal from fish and wildlife and put into some liberal based project. They would not lose anything out of it. It is win-win.
With all that being said, I feel like I am leaning towards buying the $180 tag anyway. I have been archery hunting for a record book buck with no luck but have been chasing a big one around for a few years. I could really target that buck having all those seasons and time to do so.
Post by: jackelope on May 04, 2011, 05:00:51 PM
With all that being said, I feel like I am leaning towards buying the $180 tag anyway. I have been archery hunting for a record book buck with no luck but have been chasing a big one around for a few years. I could really target that buck having all those seasons and time to do so.
What price would you put on that?
Post by: Titan-1 on May 04, 2011, 06:04:41 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 04, 2011, 06:52:36 PM
I would have gladly paid the $180 if I had drawn. I now have $500 into a bow that I can't use. :bash:
Post by: Jason on May 04, 2011, 07:04:59 PM
Post by: cmiller85 on May 04, 2011, 07:43:03 PM
If someone drew the tag and isn't buying it because it cost too much that is their choice. Sure there are plenty of people who would of loved to have the tag, but there are also people every year who draw coveted special permits and shoot the first legal animal they see; which is a whole lot more annoying and could be legitimately considered a waste of a permit/tag by those who would have at least attempted to do that tag justice.
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on May 04, 2011, 07:47:28 PM
Post by: dupedc on May 04, 2011, 07:57:51 PM
Post by: TheHunt on May 04, 2011, 07:58:27 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 04, 2011, 08:20:07 PM
What's with people ripping in to those who drew the multiseason tag and either didn't know the cost or think it's a ripoff? There are plenty of reasons it could have been overlooked.
I haven't seen anybody ripping into anybody in this thread. Maybe you're talking about some of the other threads? As I said, people not buying them is just what the WDFW planned for. They doubled the number of names drawn for deer just to account for the fact that 50% of the people who have historically drawn the multi-season deer permit, have not purchased it.
Heck, the first year they had the multi-season permit, I drew both deer and elk, and didn't buy either one. :yike:
Post by: Seabeckian on May 04, 2011, 09:19:23 PM
Post by: dscubame on May 04, 2011, 09:20:15 PM
I'm happy not enough people do their research and fully read the reg's. Lot less competition in the woods for those of us that know what we're getting in to. ;) Imagine if all 4000 draws for deer multiseason actually purchased and hunted the seasons with us!:yeah:
Post by: HornHoarder on May 04, 2011, 09:31:21 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on May 04, 2011, 09:38:56 PM
Post by: huntnnw on May 04, 2011, 10:27:30 PM
Post by: grundy53 on May 05, 2011, 05:51:44 AM
christ :bash:
:yeah: :bash:
Post by: Gutpile on May 05, 2011, 05:56:29 AM
Post by: KopperBuck on May 05, 2011, 07:51:21 AM
What's with people ripping in to those who drew the multiseason tag and either didn't know the cost or think it's a ripoff? There are plenty of reasons it could have been overlooked.
Whether people think it's a ripoff is up to them, I'm not going to argue their opinion. BUT, to be surprised by the cost... absolutely no sympathy here. Read the details! Doubt there'd be much sympathy for someone shooting a spike muley in a 3pt GMU and being upset with a ticket b/c they didn't read the regs...
Post by: jackelope on May 05, 2011, 08:20:48 AM
:yeah:What's with people ripping in to those who drew the multiseason tag and either didn't know the cost or think it's a ripoff? There are plenty of reasons it could have been overlooked.
Whether people think it's a ripoff is up to them, I'm not going to argue their opinion. BUT, to be surprised by the cost... absolutely no sympathy here. Read the details! Doubt there'd be much sympathy for someone shooting a spike muley in a 3pt GMU and being upset with a ticket b/c they didn't read the regs...
Well said...I can fully understand financial constraints, believe me, and I have no issue with that...
Post by: kirkl on May 05, 2011, 08:22:25 AM
Post by: MDGrand on May 05, 2011, 09:48:08 AM
I have to admit, last year when I did not draw, it made me a little mad to know there were people that did not know about the cost and subsequently did not buy because of that yet successfully drew. I bought mine in a heartbeat. But just to be super clear, they do state the cost, right in the regs:
Post by: kirkl on May 05, 2011, 09:56:14 AM
Post by: kirkl on May 05, 2011, 10:01:28 AM
Post by: Bob33 on May 05, 2011, 10:03:01 AM
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Post by: Bob33 on May 05, 2011, 10:08:51 AM
Post by: provider on May 05, 2011, 10:09:51 AM
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Hunting is a pay to play sport.
Yeah, I wish they would increase the fees much much more. Then since I can afford it... and most others can't... it would be better... for ME.
Post by: tshoote30 on May 05, 2011, 12:15:10 PM
Post by: archery288 on May 05, 2011, 12:17:42 PM
Post by: tshoote30 on May 05, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
It just allows you to hunt all 3 seasons but you may only take one deer. So once you shoot one, your season is over.
AHH Great thanks for the Info. that is what I thought as well.
Post by: Houndhunter on May 05, 2011, 12:26:10 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 05, 2011, 02:11:31 PM
Post by: Swatson on May 05, 2011, 02:45:48 PM
I wish they would just sell the muti elk over the counter for about 250.00, I'd buy it every year. The deer tag I think is a little too high though, considering how many they give out.
I agree with you! I knew the price of multi deer before I drew but now that I drew I'm in limbo on whether to pay 180 for it or not. I love my rifle deer hunt and would only want it for during archery elk in case I see something worth going after! I'm sure I'll buy the thing but cringe at paying 180 for it!
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 05, 2011, 03:05:43 PM
Well I was one of the lucky 4000 that got drawn for the multi season permit and was really excited at first, then I recieved my letter from the department of fish and wildlife saying that if I wanted to purchase my tag it would cost $180 >:(. My delima is that I would only do the Modern rifle and Muzzle loader. But what doesn't make since to me is that the price for a regular deer tag is $45.20 so X that by 3 ( archery, muzzle loader and modern rifle)= $135.60, price of Multi season $180 so it cost an extra $45 plus your $6 I guess another way for the state to make money :bash:
Yep, the regs are pretty clear on the cost of the darn thing. And, I wish I'd had your luck, too.
Post by: jrod on May 05, 2011, 04:16:35 PM
Post by: archery288 on May 05, 2011, 09:21:29 PM
I got drawn fer multi season deer and i didnt half ta pay nothin.. you guys all got screwed!
Did someone buy the tag for you?! :dunno: If so, you got it made! :chuckle:
Please elaborate on your comment to those who got drawn? :dunno:
Post by: ORCA_SIX on May 06, 2011, 01:15:57 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 06, 2011, 11:48:16 AM
Maybe he is a ninja? Exempt from paying. :dunno:
I didn't know that. There's a local guy who trains ninjas. I'm going to become one for the multi-season permits. Thanks Orca.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on May 06, 2011, 05:21:40 PM
Post by: sakoshooter on May 06, 2011, 07:24:39 PM
What's with people ripping in to those who drew the multiseason tag and either didn't know the cost or think it's a ripoff? There are plenty of reasons it could have been overlooked.
If someone drew the tag and isn't buying it because it cost too much that is their choice. Sure there are plenty of people who would of loved to have the tag, but there are also people every year who draw coveted special permits and shoot the first legal animal they see; which is a whole lot more annoying and could be legitimately considered a waste of a permit/tag by those who would have at least attempted to do that tag justice.
Thanx for your post cmiller85. It's refreshing to see that not everyone on here has a know it all attitude.
This was the first year I applied for the multi-season tag and was drawn for the deer tag. I received the notice to purchase via the WDFW email alerts and since you cannot view all of this page at once, having to scroll completely down to the bottom, I missed the $180.50 myself. Since the reminder was at the top of the page and the link to click on was next, I saw no need to scroll down to the bottom of the page. I also immediately notified the WDFW licensing division to make mine available to another applicant.
I proposed the idea of purchasing all three licenses and one tag 15 years ago to generate revenue back when the WDFW was going bankrupt. They laughed at me stating it would put too much pressure on the animals. It appears that when they finally put it into play, they got greedy.
If 'everyone' could purchase(for a reasonable price)all three licenses, hunters would purchase guns and related equipment, bows and related equipment and muzzleloaders and related equipment. In turn, the State would receive millions of $$$ back thru the Wallop Breaux Act and Pittman-Robertson Act. But no, they'd rather run their very own racket and make less money all while making hunters mad.
A deer or elk license/tag is $45.20. Half of that or $22.70 for the license and half $22.70 for the tag. Since you only get one(1)tag with a multi-season tag it should cost $22.70 for each license, so 3 x $22.70 = 68.10 plus $22.70 for the tag. Total - $90.80.
Pretty simple math to me.
Post by: WonkyWapiti on May 06, 2011, 08:47:38 PM
Post by: nwhunter on May 06, 2011, 10:37:36 PM
I do wish they would offer at least the deer multi season to youths at a discounted price so we could introduce them to different weapons hunting on a limited basis when they are young. Its hard for kids to have a lot of time to commit to archery hunting because of school and sports so its easier for them to rifle hunt but it would be nice for them to have a chance to get out there with a bow if they wanted to give it a try. However I can't justify the price WDFW gets for the multi tag for my eleven year old to go out a couple times even though he loves archery.nwhunter
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 08:39:54 AM
I do wish they would offer at least the deer multi season to youths at a discounted price so we could introduce them to different weapons hunting on a limited basis when they are young. Its hard for kids to have a lot of time to commit to archery hunting because of school and sports so its easier for them to rifle hunt but it would be nice for them to have a chance to get out there with a bow if they wanted to give it a try. However I can't justify the price WDFW gets for the multi tag for my eleven year old to go out a couple times even though he loves archery.nwhunter
Now that's a great idea. I wouldn't be surprised if the DFW would actually go for that idea if it was proposed to them. It's not like kids would really have a much higher success and a great impact on the actual harvest of game, simply due to hunting multiple seasons. But it would be great to give them the opportunity to try out the different weapons and give them more chances to get out and hunt. I think they should make all youth tags valid for all seasons. That's the best idea I've heard in a while, and one that actually might have a chance of being accepted by the WDFW.
I actually don't have a problem with the high price of the multi-season tags, because it helps to keep the less serious people from applying for it (including me). It's obviously not overpriced, because the number of applicants is higher than the number of permits. As I have said, I did apply for the multi-season deer this year, and would have gladly paid the $180, but I wasn't drawn. I just spent around $500 on a new bow and without the multi-season permit, I won't be able to use the bow this year. Another way to justify the price, is to think about all the extra hunting time it gives you, and how much you would have to pay for the only other way there is to get extra opportunity- by going out of state. If I were to go to Oregon or Idaho if I felt I needed more time hunting deer, it would cost around $500 just for license and tag. Then all the fuel and other expenses I'd be looking at well over $1000. The multi-season would have let me hunt from September 1st to December 31st, and all within 10 miles or so from my house. Think about it in those terms and the $180 doesn't sound so bad.
Post by: KillBilly on May 07, 2011, 09:12:36 AM
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 09:17:03 AM
You are saying that you would buy your kid a bow, a muzzle loader & a rifle to see if he likes one or the other best?
Is that question directed at me?
If so, not to see what they like best, but to give them more opportunity to get out and hunt.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 07, 2011, 09:18:14 AM
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I just spent around $500 on a new bow and without the multi-season permit, I won't be able to use the bow this year.Just curious, couldn't you use the bow during MF season on that private property you have access to ?
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 09:26:35 AM
QuoteI just spent around $500 on a new bow and without the multi-season permit, I won't be able to use the bow this year.Just curious, couldn't you use the bow during MF season on that private property you have access to ?
Yes, and I will. Just was trying to make a point. I've got $500 invested, with the hope of being able to hunt the early and late archery season with my bow. So what's another $180? That was the point I was trying to make. And yes, I know I could buy an archery tag, but I want to hunt the rut, and for that you need to hunt the rifle season, and I also already had plans with a hunting partner to apply for a rifle permit.
Post by: Alan K on May 07, 2011, 09:38:26 AM
Post by: sakoshooter on May 07, 2011, 11:19:40 AM
You keep saying you bought a bow and can't use it now since you're weren't drawn for the Multi-Season tag. Wrong - you can buy an archery license. You don't have to hunt modern or muzzleloader ya know. No different than the rest of us. We all have to make that exact same choice every year in WA.
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 11:25:45 AM
I KNOW I can buy an archery tag. I don't want to. I would rather hunt with my brother and he's hunting with a rifle. Plus, as I have already said many times on here, I will be hunting with the bow on private property where the owner will only allow bow hunting. But I will be doing this during modern firearm season.
It was only a point I was making in order to show that the $180 really isn't that much in the whole scheme of things. Maybe it's too much for some, but it's not too much for others. It all depends on your situation. I'm limited to how much I can hunt on weekends because my wife works on Saturday and I have to stay home with the kids. So it would have been a great help for me to have my hunting spread out over 4 months, instead of just two weeks.
I don't know. Maybe what I've been posting only makes sense to me. That's entirely possible.
Post by: 400out on May 07, 2011, 11:44:36 AM
Post by: KopperBuck on May 07, 2011, 11:46:13 AM
What's with people ripping in to those who drew the multiseason tag and either didn't know the cost or think it's a ripoff? There are plenty of reasons it could have been overlooked.
If someone drew the tag and isn't buying it because it cost too much that is their choice. Sure there are plenty of people who would of loved to have the tag, but there are also people every year who draw coveted special permits and shoot the first legal animal they see; which is a whole lot more annoying and could be legitimately considered a waste of a permit/tag by those who would have at least attempted to do that tag justice.
Thanx for your post cmiller85. It's refreshing to see that not everyone on here has a know it all attitude.
This was the first year I applied for the multi-season tag and was drawn for the deer tag. I received the notice to purchase via the WDFW email alerts and since you cannot view all of this page at once, having to scroll completely down to the bottom, I missed the $180.50 myself. Since the reminder was at the top of the page and the link to click on was next, I saw no need to scroll down to the bottom of the page. I also immediately notified the WDFW licensing division to make mine available to another applicant.
I proposed the idea of purchasing all three licenses and one tag 15 years ago to generate revenue back when the WDFW was going bankrupt. They laughed at me stating it would put too much pressure on the animals. It appears that when they finally put it into play, they got greedy.
If 'everyone' could purchase(for a reasonable price)all three licenses, hunters would purchase guns and related equipment, bows and related equipment and muzzleloaders and related equipment. In turn, the State would receive millions of $$$ back thru the Wallop Breaux Act and Pittman-Robertson Act. But no, they'd rather run their very own racket and make less money all while making hunters mad.
A deer or elk license/tag is $45.20. Half of that or $22.70 for the license and half $22.70 for the tag. Since you only get one(1)tag with a multi-season tag it should cost $22.70 for each license, so 3 x $22.70 = 68.10 plus $22.70 for the tag. Total - $90.80.
Pretty simple math to me.
And I saw no need to read the GMU restrictions after I bought a deer tag... lol.
I've hunted in other states where declaration of hunting method isn't required and have seen way too many wounded animals b/c of increased opportunity. I like that this decreases incentive for folks that may not be as committed as those that are practiced.
Post by: jstone on May 07, 2011, 03:41:44 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 03:59:20 PM
You can also buy an application for the "buck" category and one for the "antlerless category." On those applications you can apply for up to four hunts, which can be special hunts for any hunting method.
If you go online to buy applications, you'll see what is available to you. It will only be one application per category. That does not change because you have the multi-season tag. What changes is that on that one application you can apply for any type of hunt. You will see the exact same options that the clerk at Fred Meyer saw on his computer screen.
Post by: jstone on May 07, 2011, 04:18:33 PM
Post by: cmiller85 on May 07, 2011, 06:56:44 PM
Post by: KillBilly on May 07, 2011, 07:13:14 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 07, 2011, 08:07:14 PM
Archery and muzzle loader are considered the same level of primitive....You cannot use archery equipment in a muzzleloader season.
Post by: guesswho on May 07, 2011, 08:13:31 PM
And I saw no need to read the GMU restrictions after I bought a deer tag... lol.
I've hunted in other states where declaration of hunting method isn't required and have seen way too many wounded animals b/c of increased opportunity. I like that this decreases incentive for folks that may not be as committed as those that are practiced.
Agreed.
Post by: Jason on May 07, 2011, 08:19:16 PM
:yeah: I called WDFW last year and asked them the same question.Archery and muzzle loader are considered the same level of primitive....You cannot use archery equipment in a muzzleloader season.
Post by: fair-chase on May 07, 2011, 08:27:23 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
1) in wet weather you're not going to have a misfire which is likely to happen with a muzzleloader, 2) follow up shots are quicker, 3) bows don't make much noise and follow up shots are more likely because the animal may not even be aware of your presence after the first shot, 4) if you take a shot with a bow you don't have to tear it down and clean it the same day like you do with a muzzleloader.
Post by: Alan K on May 07, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 07, 2011, 09:54:39 PM
Post by: Alan K on May 07, 2011, 10:03:27 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on May 08, 2011, 08:32:55 AM
I don't shoot 100 yards with my muzzleloader. 75 yards is about my limit, and it seems many people don't have any problem at all shooting at game that far with archery gear.Here is a prime example of technological improvements....
once upon a time, (most) Archers considered 20-40 yards effective range (although some still shot further)
Muzzleloaders were (mostly all) either Flintlock or percussion (sidelock) and effective range was 50-100, (again some still shot further)
Now with a 300fps+Compound, sights, release, 80% let off, etc.. (mentioned "improvements") 50-75 yards is almost normal, and accepted, with some shooting even further.
In-line (exposed cap) ML's, with conical (and other) bullets, powder improvements, etc... a ML can have an effective range of up to 200 yards, with 100 being an accepted norm.
Some hunters might have self imposed limitations, but a vast majority of hunters consider whether or not they can hit the target, not whether they should or not, and have little to no hesitation taking marginal shots on game.
:twocents:
Post by: sakoshooter on May 08, 2011, 10:16:40 AM
Post by: Alan K on May 08, 2011, 10:36:43 AM
Post by: deerslyr on May 08, 2011, 12:27:19 PM
I don't shoot 100 yards with my muzzleloader. 75 yards is about my limit, and it seems many people don't have any problem at all shooting at game that far with archery gear.
And it seems to me alot of people dont have a problem shooting 150 yards with a muzzleloader. I have hunted with both Bow and Muzzleloader (harvested animals with both as well) and archery is by far more difficult. I understand that muzzys get jipped when it comes to season length, again ive hunted with muzzleloader before, but to say archery hunting is just as difficult as muzzy hunting is absurd.
Post by: bobcat on May 08, 2011, 12:40:16 PM
I don't shoot 100 yards with my muzzleloader. 75 yards is about my limit, and it seems many people don't have any problem at all shooting at game that far with archery gear.
And it seems to me alot of people dont have a problem shooting 150 yards with a muzzleloader. I have hunted with both Bow and Muzzleloader (harvested animals with both as well) and archery is by far more difficult. I understand that muzzys get jipped when it comes to season length, again ive hunted with muzzleloader before, but to say archery hunting is just as difficult as muzzy hunting is absurd.
I didn't say archery hunting was as difficult as muzzleloader hunting. :dunno:
Maybe you meant to quote someone else? The point is they're both short range weapons. To me, 100 yards is a VERY long shot with a muzzleloader.
All I was pointing out (in a previous post) was that archery does have advantages over muzzleloader, and not just because the archery seasons and units open are much, much better than what the muzzleloaders have.
Post by: Seabeckian on May 08, 2011, 12:41:17 PM
I don't shoot 100 yards with my muzzleloader. 75 yards is about my limit, and it seems many people don't have any problem at all shooting at game that far with archery gear.
And it seems to me alot of people dont have a problem shooting 150 yards with a muzzleloader. I have hunted with both Bow and Muzzleloader (harvested animals with both as well) and archery is by far more difficult. I understand that muzzys get jipped when it comes to season length, again ive hunted with muzzleloader before, but to say archery hunting is just as difficult as muzzy hunting is absurd.
I would have to agree with ya there. While they both have their limitations; personally I feel that distance limitation by far out ways any of muzzleloaders limitations (fowl weather, follow-up shot, etc.). Seems silly to qualify them in the same level of primitiveness.
Post by: jstone on May 08, 2011, 12:45:12 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 08, 2011, 12:45:38 PM
Post by: jstone on May 08, 2011, 12:49:25 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 08, 2011, 12:51:36 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 08, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: Seabeckian on May 08, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
Sure there's a difference betweeen archery and muzzleloaders in the distance you can shoot, but it's not as extreme as many people think. 50 yards is a good maximum distance for archery, and 100 yards is the real limit for MOST people with a muzzleloader. They might say different but shooting at game is different than shooting at paper.
I agree with your opinion in a lot of areas bobcat, but we will have to agree to disagree here. For me, I feel great with my DXT to 70 yards under the right conditions. With my muzzleloader 150 is no problem under like conditions. I realize some people shoot better and some shoot worse. But on average... it seems as though almost everyone agrees (including yourself) that you can double your effective range with a muzzleloader. I can't think of anyone that's spent much time in the woods that would deny that huge advantage. Think about how many times you have had your bow in hand looking at a good animal and thought, "crap, I could pull that shot with a muzzleloader." Every elk season I find myself thinking that.
That's why I'm so happy I drew the multiseason, I won't be able to complain about the advantages other seasons have over mine this year. :)
Post by: Bob33 on May 08, 2011, 01:16:13 PM
I guess because if it was, it could no longer be called a muzzleloader season. :dunno:Both muzzleloaders and archery equipment are allowed during "modern" seasons... :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on May 08, 2011, 01:22:48 PM
I agree with your opinion in a lot of areas bobcat, but we will have to agree to disagree here. For me, I feel great with my DXT to 70 yards under the right conditions. With my muzzleloader 150 is no problem under like conditions. I realize some people shoot better and some shoot worse. But on average... it seems as though almost everyone agrees (including yourself) that you can double your effective range with a muzzleloader. I can't think of anyone that's spent much time in the woods that would deny that huge advantage. Think about how many times you have had your bow in hand looking at a good animal and thought, "crap, I could pull that shot with a muzzleloader." Every elk season I find myself thinking that.
That's why I'm so happy I drew the multiseason, I won't be able to complain about the advantages other seasons have over mine this year. :)
Well, I agree with all that you just said. I could shoot 150 yards with my muzzleloader if it had a scope on it. But with open sights, I can't see well enough past 100 yards. My sight covers up almost the entire animal at 150 yards.
Post by: Swatson on May 08, 2011, 01:45:04 PM
Post by: deerslyr on May 08, 2011, 02:04:11 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 09, 2011, 01:57:00 PM
One thing that irritates me is that you can't use a bow during muzzleloader season. The multiseason tag would be a lot better deal, for me at least, if the department would change this rule. It doesn't make any sense to me as to why you can't use a more primitive weapon like you can during modern firearm season.
I believe it's because you can reload a bow faster than a MF.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 09, 2011, 01:59:55 PM
A good friend of mine called me yesterday saying he'd drawn the multi-season deer but was hesitant to buy it since if he gets drawn for a quality or buck hunt, the #180 was a waste. I had to agree. Since you only have one tag, you've got to think hard about how you're going to use it.
I don't think you have to pay until Sept 1st. He should still apply and then not get his multi-season if he draws the quality tag. Am I correct here?
Post by: Alan K on May 09, 2011, 02:11:26 PM
I don't think you have to pay until Sept 1st. He should still apply and then not get his multi-season if he draws the quality tag. Am I correct here?
That sounds right, it would be his best option.
Post by: sakoshooter on May 09, 2011, 09:48:51 PM
As for open sights at 100yds, hell I shoot my Ruger Blackhawk .357 at the ram sillouettes at 200yds off a solid rest and that isn't that hard either. It won't knock em down but you can certainly hit them regularly.
Raking and shoulder shots can be taken with a muzzleloader also and should not be taken with a bow most of the time. That eliminates quite a few opportunities with a bow that are available with a muzzleloader.
Since we can hunt with any weapon during modern season, I think it should be called multi-weapon season.
Post by: fair-chase on May 09, 2011, 10:29:54 PM
So I guess I will rest on the argument of which one is worse and concede to the archery guys. I guess I'm just jealous of the bargaining power that the larger user group has on available areas and seasons.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on May 09, 2011, 11:07:46 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 10, 2011, 08:38:37 AM
In the overall scheme of things I do think that archery is a bit harder. I also don't fault the archery guys for having month long seasons. They have a much larger user base and therefore have a greater influence on their seasons. That's just the way polotics works. Money + People = month long seasons. :chuckle: I also love muzzy elk season. I will take that one week at the beginning of October over a month of September any day. The only real gripe I have with our muzzy seasons is the lack of available GMU's. The concentration of muzzle loaders into a few units is really getting to be a problem and in some area's is starting to resemble the modern rifle season. A better comparison might be the volleys at a civil war reenactment. LOL.
So I guess I will rest on the argument of which one is worse and concede to the archery guys. I guess I'm just jealous of the bargaining power that the larger user group has on available areas and seasons.
There are three times as many rifle hunters than archers, so I'm not sure I can agree with you about the bargaining power argument. In most states, the archery season is much longer due to the difficulty of taking an animal with a bow. Some states have up to a 3-month season. In WA, even with the season being almost twice as long as the rifle season, elk hunter success is almost even, with modern at 8.5% to 10.5% for archery. For special permits, modern hunters definitely have a huge advantage over archers, according to the statistics.
Post by: jstone on May 10, 2011, 08:47:22 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 10, 2011, 09:14:20 AM
Post by: Chesapeake on May 11, 2011, 09:51:30 AM
In my opinion WDFW messed up muzzy from the getgo. They have always only given the ML hunter the lowland populated units to hunt on the west side (dont hunt east). Yeah they give us cows, but thats a small concession. Then they started in on the "equalization of user groups" bit and further screwed things by cutting the seasons. Then when they came out with the "draw catagories" they took away cows and now make you draw for them.
More or less they chased me away from ML season, Modern now has much better seasons, units, draw tags, ect.....
I shoot paper out to 200 yards. I'm about 12" low at 200, 5" low at 150. In our camp (5) we consistently kill elk out to 150 yards. Our camp gets 1 or 2 a year in the 130-150 yard range. The open sights and low bullet energy make shooting elk and deer past 150 a no-go for our camp. My ML launches the bullet at 1700 fps+. A bow will maybe do 300 fps+ with a hunting arrow. No way are they equal.
I've drawn the multi-season deer 2x now. The first time I killed a nice muledeer in the High buck hunt and the second time I killed a 3x3 blacktail in the modern rifle season. Niether time did I hold off the trigger and make a good use of the tag. Maybe next time. Have 5 or 6 points for the elk tag. I'd love to draw it and am a bit dissapointed in my poor luck.
I kind of wish they would give first preference in the draw to folks that havent drawn and those that have drawn and shown that they will buy the tag from past purchases. I think they should have a rule that if you draw and dont buy, you should have to sit it out for a year or two. :twocents: