Post by: BIGINNER on May 09, 2011, 03:26:58 PM
i got a weimaraner about 1.5 months ago... well he was given to me by a friend who found him. (somebody dumped him)
well, the dog has been doing really well, learning fast, and has all the commands down already. i haven't shot a shotgun over him yet, but he does awesome around .22 rifles and handguns.
so.. thats the update,
now my question is.... how important is it to you guys/gals that your dog knows how to play fetch?
i take my dog to the park and walks by the river alot, and it would be pretty fun to be able to play fetch with him.
i've tried all kinds of toys/bumpers, and he shows absolutely no interest in them. no matter what i try. he'll retreive birds, (i tried useing a frozen bird), but i think it would be weird if i went to the park and was throwing around a dead bird.. :chuckle:
i know its a good thind that the dog is crazy about birds,.... so am i better off not teaching the dog to retreive toys, and just let him retrieve birds when we're out on the feild? or is there maybe a techneque i haven't tried yet to get him to reteive toys?
also. he has a tendensy to sometimes when i let him out of the kennel to just litterlly tell my f%^k you!! and go wander the streets. (wich freaks me out because there's cars driving by all the time). is there a techneque to teaching the dog not to go out of the yard? or am i just better off getting a shock collar?
Post by: runamuk on May 09, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on May 09, 2011, 03:42:10 PM
I've been told its not necessarily good to "play" fetch with a bird dog that works, working him on bird retrieval is a bit different from playing fetch so not sure its a must to do. :dunno:
lol you're right on that, i kinda worded it wrong. i didn't really play fetch with a bird, i just worked on retreval with him yesterday, :)
thats actually why i froze it,.. help teach them to be soft on the bird.
Post by: runamuk on May 09, 2011, 03:59:58 PM
I've been told its not necessarily good to "play" fetch with a bird dog that works, working him on bird retrieval is a bit different from playing fetch so not sure its a must to do. :dunno:
lol you're right on that, i kinda worded it wrong. i didn't really play fetch with a bird, i just worked on retreval with him yesterday, :)
thats actually why i froze it,.. help teach them to be soft on the bird.
honestly I'd stick to doing that and skip the whole stick or ball thing :dunno: if he doesnt like to fetch for no good reason can you blame the guy :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Shannon on May 10, 2011, 06:35:22 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on May 10, 2011, 07:37:44 AM
Buy a video called "Smart Fetch" by Evan Graham. A chihuaha would fetch if you followed his methods.
funy that you mention that. lol my chiwawa is an awesome retriver. :chuckle:
thanks :)
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 10, 2011, 08:02:02 AM
Post by: wildweeds on May 10, 2011, 09:08:25 PM
i got a question for you dog people :)
but he does awesome around .22 rifles and handguns.
Post by: BIGINNER on May 11, 2011, 07:24:17 AM
Your lucky,,,,,,,,,,,,, one of these days you'll be screwing around and muzzle blast him and then your in for a heap of trouble, birddogs handguns and .22's should never be used in the same paragraph IMO.Seen more than one that was totally ok with shotguns for years and a chance encounter with handguns and rifle reports caused the red wire to touch the black onei got a question for you dog people :)
but he does awesome around .22 rifles and handguns.
really?? :dunno: never heard that before. i only use .22's for the first stage of gunbreaking. just to start off with something not so loud.. :dunno:
Post by: BIGINNER on May 11, 2011, 07:26:40 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on May 11, 2011, 07:41:20 AM
However there had to be a switch of mood and tone to single the dog that it was now play time.
For me i went from training her heal at my side to a cool down period and than I would hey hey hey with a bumper and just throw them as fast as she brought them back for about 5-6minutes. No rules. And than cool down before going home.
I am not a trainer. But you are lucky to have a pointer that wants to retrieve in my experience.
Post by: runamuk on May 11, 2011, 07:47:45 AM
oh, and on a different note.... i came home last night from work, and let the dog out of his kennel,..... he ran strait to his toy that he never fetches,.. picks it up and brings it to me.. :yike: :IBCOOL: i took it and threw it across the yard, and he took off like crazy after it,... and he brought it right back and gave it to me. :yike: :yike: :IBCOOL: :chuckle: i think the dog might have logged into my hunt-wa accout and read this post. :chuckle:I am thinking henis reading your mind better wear that tinfoil when around him :chuckle:
Post by: wildweeds on May 11, 2011, 03:11:40 PM
really?? :dunno: never heard that before. i only use .22's for the first stage of gunbreaking. just to start off with something not so loud.. :dunno:
Post by: Happy Gilmore on May 11, 2011, 03:21:47 PM
Your lucky,,,,,,,,,,,,, one of these days you'll be screwing around and muzzle blast him and then your in for a heap of trouble, birddogs handguns and .22's should never be used in the same paragraph IMO.Seen more than one that was totally ok with shotguns for years and a chance encounter with handguns and rifle reports caused the red wire to touch the black onei got a question for you dog people :)
but he does awesome around .22 rifles and handguns.
I've only ever used a .22 blank pistol with yellow loads? never seen a problem. Introduced 5 chessies varying in age from 4 months to 8 months to gun fire and ducks two weeks ago at the Evergreen Chesapeake Bay Retriever Club training day at Carlsons.
Every dog had retrieved a duck by the end of the day....used properly you shouldn't have any issue- I wouldn't shoot it right over their head but, I'd never do that with any gun when introducing a dog to gunfire- always with two people and always away to start and move closer as long as the dog is excited and not showing any shyness- wing clipped pigeons are the best for this- dogs forget the gun completely at a flopping bird.
Post by: BIGINNER on May 11, 2011, 03:35:10 PM
Your lucky,,,,,,,,,,,,, one of these days you'll be screwing around and muzzle blast him and then your in for a heap of trouble, birddogs handguns and .22's should never be used in the same paragraph IMO.Seen more than one that was totally ok with shotguns for years and a chance encounter with handguns and rifle reports caused the red wire to touch the black onei got a question for you dog people :)
but he does awesome around .22 rifles and handguns.
I've only ever used a .22 blank pistol with yellow loads? never seen a problem. Introduced 5 chessies varying in age from 4 months to 8 months to gun fire and ducks two weeks ago at the Evergreen Chesapeake Bay Retriever Club training day at Carlsons.
Every dog had retrieved a duck by the end of the day....used properly you shouldn't have any issue- I wouldn't shoot it right over their head but, I'd never do that with any gun when introducing a dog to gunfire- always with two people and always away to start and move closer as long as the dog is excited and not showing any shyness- wing clipped pigeons are the best for this- dogs forget the gun completely at a flopping bird.
yep.. that what i did :)
Post by: BIGINNER on May 12, 2011, 12:01:00 PM
i got a question for you dog people :)[/b]
i got a weimaraner about 1.5 months ago... well he was given to me by a friend who found him. (somebody dumped him)
well, the dog has been doing really well, learning fast, and has all the commands down already. i haven't shot a shotgun over him yet, but he does awesome around .22 rifles and handguns.
so.. thats the update,
now my question is.... how important is it to you guys/gals that your dog knows how to play fetch?
i take my dog to the park and walks by the river alot, and it would be pretty fun to be able to play fetch with him.
i've tried all kinds of toys/bumpers, and he shows absolutely no interest in them. no matter what i try. he'll retreive birds, (i tried useing a frozen bird), but i think it would be weird if i went to the park and was throwing around a dead bird.. :chuckle:
i know its a good thind that the dog is crazy about birds,.... so am i better off not teaching the dog to retreive toys, and just let him retrieve birds when we're out on the feild? or is there maybe a techneque i haven't tried yet to get him to reteive toys?
also. he has a tendensy to sometimes when i let him out of the kennel to just litterlly tell my f%^k you!! and go wander the streets. (wich freaks me out because there's cars driving by all the time). is there a techneque to teaching the dog not to go out of the yard? or am i just better off getting a shock collar?
any sugjustions on this? :dunno:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 12, 2011, 12:03:17 PM
Post by: SpringerFan on May 13, 2011, 05:47:27 PM
Sounds like a lot of basic yard work is in order. On a lead. Come, sit, whoa, etc.
I would say your dog doe snot respect you as the alpha. YOu give a command and he does what he wants because there is no real understanding of what is expected. And it is not reinforced. So you need to start over, on a lead with basic commands until you become alpha. No need to kick, hit or shock your dog. Sounds like there are no consistant rules.
Good luck. Your dog is not stupid. They will get away with what we let them get away with.
Post by: BIGINNER on May 13, 2011, 09:56:45 PM
Shock collars hsould ONLY be used to reinforce an already known command. Using one to stop your dog from running away will make him run away.
Sounds like a lot of basic yard work is in order. On a lead. Come, sit, whoa, etc.
I would say your dog doe snot respect you as the alpha. YOu give a command and he does what he wants because there is no real understanding of what is expected. And it is not reinforced. So you need to start over, on a lead with basic commands until you become alpha. No need to kick, hit or shock your dog. Sounds like there are no consistant rules.
Good luck. Your dog is not stupid. They will get away with what we let them get away with.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,.. BUT ITS NOT THE CASE HERE....
I THINK I FIGURED OUT WHY HE DOES THIS... HE'S DONE IT 3 TIME SO FAR. LAST TIME HE DID IT WAS YESTERDAY. AND HE DOES THIS ONLY WHEN I LET HIM OFF THE LEAD TO PLAY A LITTLE... WHICH I WONT DO ANYMORE UNTILL I GET A SHOCK COLLAR.
AND THE SHOCK COLLAR WILL BE USED ONLY TO INFORCE MY COMMANDS A LITTLE MORE.
HE KNOWS AND UNDERSTANDS ALL THE COMMANDS I GIVE HIM. I WORK WITH HIM EVERY SINGLE DAY. WITH A LEAD ON.
AND HE OBEYS ALL THE COMMANDS NICE AND FAST EVERY TIME.. WHEN HE HAS A LEAD ON... I DON'T GIVE HIM COMMANDS WHEN THE LEAD IS OFF.. SINCE I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THE SITUATION WHEN THE LEAD IS OFF... AND THE DOG KNOWS THIS... HE'S SMART,.. AND STUBBORN,, (ACCORDING TO MY WIFE, HE'S LIKE ME) :chuckle:
SO THE DOG KNOWS THAT ONCE HE'S OFF THE LEAD HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME,... WELL THE SHOCK COLLAR WILL SAY OTHERISE,.. I JUST NEED TO USE THE SHOCK COLLAR TOO INFORCE MY COMMANDS, AND SHOW HIM HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO LISTEN TO ME.
Post by: Bigshooter on May 14, 2011, 02:32:09 PM
And when I say it shouldn't hurt your hand when you shock your dog I really mean it. If it is hurting you it is scaring him to death. I have only used the lowest setting on my current dog. When I hold it to my hand I can't feel anything. But she must feel a lot more than I do because she really listens when she is wearing it.
Post by: SpringerFan on May 14, 2011, 04:25:49 PM
Shock collars hsould ONLY be used to reinforce an already known command. Using one to stop your dog from running away will make him run away.
Sounds like a lot of basic yard work is in order. On a lead. Come, sit, whoa, etc.
I would say your dog doe snot respect you as the alpha. YOu give a command and he does what he wants because there is no real understanding of what is expected. And it is not reinforced. So you need to start over, on a lead with basic commands until you become alpha. No need to kick, hit or shock your dog. Sounds like there are no consistant rules.
Good luck. Your dog is not stupid. They will get away with what we let them get away with.
I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING,.. BUT ITS NOT THE CASE HERE....
I THINK I FIGURED OUT WHY HE DOES THIS... HE'S DONE IT 3 TIME SO FAR. LAST TIME HE DID IT WAS YESTERDAY. AND HE DOES THIS ONLY WHEN I LET HIM OFF THE LEAD TO PLAY A LITTLE... WHICH I WONT DO ANYMORE UNTILL I GET A SHOCK COLLAR.
AND THE SHOCK COLLAR WILL BE USED ONLY TO INFORCE MY COMMANDS A LITTLE MORE.
HE KNOWS AND UNDERSTANDS ALL THE COMMANDS I GIVE HIM. I WORK WITH HIM EVERY SINGLE DAY. WITH A LEAD ON.
AND HE OBEYS ALL THE COMMANDS NICE AND FAST EVERY TIME.. WHEN HE HAS A LEAD ON... I DON'T GIVE HIM COMMANDS WHEN THE LEAD IS OFF.. SINCE I DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THE SITUATION WHEN THE LEAD IS OFF... AND THE DOG KNOWS THIS... HE'S SMART,.. AND STUBBORN,, (ACCORDING TO MY WIFE, HE'S LIKE ME) :chuckle:
SO THE DOG KNOWS THAT ONCE HE'S OFF THE LEAD HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME,... WELL THE SHOCK COLLAR WILL SAY OTHERISE,.. I JUST NEED TO USE THE SHOCK COLLAR TOO INFORCE MY COMMANDS, AND SHOW HIM HE HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO LISTEN TO ME.
Hopefully your caps just were stuck on.......not trying to piss ya off.
Sounds like you have a good plan then.
Post by: BIGINNER on May 14, 2011, 06:44:38 PM
Post by: rjclabs on May 23, 2011, 09:33:49 PM