Post by: rock on June 04, 2011, 06:17:18 AM
tip#1 cut the finger of a latex glove and put it over the end of your barrel.
Post by: danderson on June 04, 2011, 07:14:01 AM
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Post by: MIKEXRAY on June 04, 2011, 08:02:12 AM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on June 04, 2011, 03:18:45 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on June 04, 2011, 09:07:01 PM
Start each day with a fresh load and cap to ensure ignition at crunch time.
Shoot! I use T7 and I load the day before opening day and the load may stay in the barrel for months... If you keep it dry you will have no problems... But I am known for breaking the normal rules.
Here is a test I did several years ago… it is very long as the test was run over several days…
OK, I am trying one here in northern Idaho. I am trying to simulate the same things I would do as if it were going hunting.
Day 1 - weather 32 degrees humidity 67%.
a) Wipe the bore with 2 clean white patches...
b) Took the gun out in the shop - fired two Remington 209-4's cap
c) Back in the house wipe the barrel again 3 dry patches...
d) Load 100 grains 0f T7-2f - right from the shooting box that has been in the rec room since hunting season...
e) Topped with a MMP HPH-24 sabot and a Speer 300 grain Gold Dot.
f) Inserted a used primer in breech plug
g) Cleared snow from deck and put rifle on the deck
It will stay till about 4:00 then come right back into the garage (unheated) Then back into the house and back outside in the morning what ever weather comes - let it come.
This will continue until sometime next week when I have to go back to work...
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Day 2 - Sunday Temp 43 Humidity 75%
Another great thaw has began and it has been raining all day...but in reality - I would be a good hunting day and if I could I would be hunting - so out went the rifle for its daily stay on the deck.
It is wet but I am confident that the bore is dry... so the test will continue..
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Day 3 - Temp 39 Humidity 76%
Well, the rifle is out on the deck - but it is really a nice day. No adverse weather expected today, just a really nice day.
I am still quite confident that the gun will shoot and will shoot normally, but I do have to work tomorrow so the gun will be inside all day. Just kinda like a normal hunting week for me. I do not think it will get back out until Thursday and on Thursday through the week end we are suppose to be in a Arctic cold mass. It will be out in those temps and maybe i will get to shoot it next week.
After re-reading Cayugad experiments - I ma really leaning to the theory of humidity not condensation being the probable culprit. I can not imagine the humidity that Cayugad is talking about because I guess we do not have it. As you can see our humidy as been stuch around the 70% mark.
I have also discussed with myself, how can humidity adversly effect the powder sealed in the barrel between the sabot and the face of the breech plug? I know that water running down the barrel to the sabot will eventually get by the sabot and to the powder - so why can't humidity do the same thing. Unlike a PRB or a lubed Conical humidity is not sealed from the powder. Next in the case of the Remington, insterting a 209 primer into the breech plug does not seal water from the powder either, so again if water can get there why not humidity? In the case of the Omega where the drop block pressures the 209 primer into the primer it might provide a better seal and Knight spent a lot money developing a primer carrier that solves this problem also.
Underclocked through a challenge out to do the same experiment with a White and a #11 breech plug. In my coversations with Doc he assures me that his #11 BP and a #11 cap will be sealed - hunt with it is a downpour and the cap will go off. So - conclusion no humidty or water will get to the powder , of course with any #11 cap you can seal it in numerous ways. So - next conclusion with a sealed #11 and a PRB or a lubed conical the gun will sealed - humidity will not get it.
The adventure contiues, the rifle went out this morning at about 6:30 am from the house. The temp was -2 and the humidity this afternoon was near 70%. The sun came out and it was a nice day - but cold...
Shooting day has been moved to Monday - temp is suppose to make it to the mid 20's and it is a government holiday so i do not have to work - well sort of... I am still betting the Rem will fire just fine...
Temp 3F Humidity 72%
The gun went out this morning @ about 7:00... it went from 68F in the rec room to the deck @ 3f. No weather, other than cold expected today.
Still looks like I may be able to shoot Monday - it is still predicted to warm up to the mid 20's
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Saturday evening and I was a bit wrong - we did get a dusting of snow... Temp is 14F Humidity 68
I am now going to bring the gun in and it goes in the unheated garage/shop Temp in the shop is 36F
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Well, I was able to wind this test up today after trap shooting. I drove on out to the rock pit and set up the table and the target.
Actually I was glad to get this over because part of me was really worried about the gun going off - but for the most part I was positive.
Remember this gun was loaded on Saturday 1-6-07 and has been in out since then. Yesterday I was a little more concerned than I wanted to be, the gun had been out all day in14 degrees and lower temps... It snowed on it a bit also.Then late that afternoon it was taken from the deck to the garage - temp in the garage was 36F. It stayed in the garage for 2 hours warming??? up. When I went out to get it from the shop it was 34F - then brought it into the rec room 66F - In my mind if failure was going to occur it was going to be now. But, as I observed it standing in the room the scope never fogged up so I remained confident.
Remember the scope was only bore sighted as I had just recently put it on the leupold base.
Setup at 25 yards - placed the primer and pulled the trigger - it felt really good and was I happy! Loaded two additonal shots to check accuracy and group - you can see the results. Moved the target to 50 yards - but did change bullets - I changed .451 300grain Speer SP bullets. I touched off two of these. Made a scope change (4 clicks right) shot another 3.
I really believe the thing that made this work is the gun never went from really cold to really warm at any time, but the gun did come in the house every evening. This is the same senario that occurs during hunting season - the gun comes from the field to a cold pick up cab warms slowly in the truck cab as the cab warms - Might repeat this process 2 or three times a trip and then finally goes in the house when I get back.
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Post by: rock on June 05, 2011, 08:28:57 AM
Post by: 50CalJim on June 05, 2011, 10:27:09 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 05, 2011, 10:29:27 AM
I use electrical tape after I load it, keeps the muzzel clean and reminds me that it charged.:yeah:
Post by: Sabotloader on June 05, 2011, 11:09:07 AM
My tip would be when practicing/testing your Muzzy turn the cell phone off. One time I was shooting my Muzzy & got a phone call & basically got distracted & ended loaded my gun twice with 200 grains of Triple 7. :bdid: The end result was me getting flipped out of my chair & wandering what the hell happened. :chuckle:
I hate to say this... I really do... but amen to your thought... mine would be not to get involved talking to other shooters while loading.... could result in 220 grains of T7 down the tube of a Knight DISC with a 300 grain bulet on top of that.... Thank gosh it was Knight...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 05, 2011, 12:19:29 PM
Post by: dawhunt on June 05, 2011, 06:25:43 PM
Bob
Post by: JColony on June 18, 2011, 08:13:11 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on June 20, 2011, 10:48:39 AM
Post by: whacker1 on June 20, 2011, 11:38:28 AM
Start each day with a fresh load and cap to ensure ignition at crunch time.
For those that hunt cold & wet conditions.....
When you get in the truck at the end of the day and turn the heat on, and then leave your gun in the truck over night and fire it up again in the morning and turn the heat on. The process of heating and cooling when you've had the gun out in the wet elements will draw moisture to the one place that is dry - the powder. Condensation can be a pain in the rear if you leave your gun loaded from opening day until you actually need ot shoot it (a few days later). I began shooting, cleaning at the end of every day and then re-loading in the moring. It does a couple things. It guarantees that everything is fresh at the start of the day, and 2 it will let you know when you shoot it if it would have fired or if it would have had a delayed (hang) fire.
I was surprised how many would not fire at the end of one day. I shoot Triple Seven fff loose typically and a little condensation can cause a hang fire.
And the 209 test will fire loads that wouldn't fire with #11 cap. :twocents:
Post by: Fastass350 on June 20, 2011, 12:28:10 PM
Just my opinion and experience but a 209 primer will fire off damp powder 99% of the time.... Those suckers are way hotter then 11's and muskets put together.... :twocents: And make sure your nipple is clean..... That will cause a lot of misfires or lag time just like wet or damp powder....
Is it safe to remove the breech plug to change to the 209 style, to fire off a loaded gun? I've been scared to do that, wondering if somehow it could cause a spark, even if it's a far fetched idea??
Post by: WSU on June 20, 2011, 12:42:39 PM
Post by: whacker1 on June 20, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
Just my opinion and experience but a 209 primer will fire off damp powder 99% of the time.... Those suckers are way hotter then 11's and muskets put together.... :twocents: And make sure your nipple is clean..... That will cause a lot of misfires or lag time just like wet or damp powder....
Is it safe to remove the breech plug to change to the 209 style, to fire off a loaded gun? I've been scared to do that, wondering if somehow it could cause a spark, even if it's a far fetched idea??
if pulling the breech plug on an inline, why not just use the ram rod and push the load out the bottom? If a side lock, then a different story for sure. But a 209 wouldn't fit.
Post by: rebal69972 on June 20, 2011, 12:53:02 PM
Post by: JColony on June 20, 2011, 01:06:20 PM
John
Post by: fair-chase on June 20, 2011, 06:06:57 PM
I like to start with a fresh load every day, but I will often just use a bullet-puller to unload. This saves having to fire it and saves a ton of time cleaning at the end of every day. Not sure how pulling the bullets works with the new copper bullets, but I plan to figure it out this year.
I do the same. I like to start with a fresh load every day especially on the wet side. With the copper bullets you just have to add a little more pressure to get the threads to engage but it's pretty minimal.
JColony, that is a great idea with a small air canister.
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on June 20, 2011, 09:16:35 PM
Post by: BoomWhop on June 20, 2011, 09:49:40 PM
Post by: The100Road on June 21, 2011, 10:32:55 AM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on June 21, 2011, 11:06:13 AM
Whacker, you beat me to it. Personally, I'm not going to have anything to do with a 209 primer. I wouldn't want to risk having a gamey come around the corner just after putting it on to discharge your days load. That'd be a hard argument to win. Best bet if you want to reload everyday, carry a bullet puller, cheap and easy. You could always get on of those CO2 things that shoot CO2 through the nipple blowing your bullet and powder out the end of the barrell. Just my :twocents:
John
Totally agree..... I just push them right on threw with my inline..... When I used a my Hawken I had one misfire.... I pulled the nipple and added powder down it til it went off... I think it took two or three times... Pulling bullets is a bitch!!!!!
Post by: Dan-o on June 21, 2011, 11:22:24 AM
When hunting a cow/spike area, DO NOT under any circumstances day dream because you know all the elk have been pushed out.
Then, DO NOT wander aimlessly down the skidder trail until you're jerked back to reality by the sight of a big fat cow staring at you.
Then, DO NOT panic and pull off the stupidest miss imaginable by jerking the trigger before you're settled in on the target.
Then, when she trots off and the world's largest spike walks out see what's making all the noise, DO NOT get caught reloading and lose your mind.
Then, DO NOT EVER forget that you need to fully reload before shooting and shoot your ramrod at the unsuspecting spike.
I know that I am still scarred from the incident and I suspect that spike is too.
I think I'm going to go cry now.......
Dan
Post by: longstevo on June 21, 2011, 02:00:26 PM
My best tip would be to not get buck/bull fever and shoot way out of the effective range of the blackpowder weapon you are using at the time.
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on June 21, 2011, 09:19:48 PM
MY TIP::bash: :chuckle:
When hunting a cow/spike area, DO NOT under any circumstances day dream because you know all the elk have been pushed out.
Then, DO NOT wander aimlessly down the skidder trail until you're jerked back to reality by the sight of a big fat cow staring at you.
Then, DO NOT panic and pull off the stupidest miss imaginable by jerking the trigger before you're settled in on the target.
Then, when she trots off and the world's largest spike walks out see what's making all the noise, DO NOT get caught reloading and lose your mind.
Then, DO NOT EVER forget that you need to fully reload before shooting and shoot your ramrod at the unsuspecting spike.
I know that I am still scarred from the incident and I suspect that spike is too.
I think I'm going to go cry now.......
Dan
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 23, 2011, 08:31:10 PM
MY TIP:-That is the second funniest thing Ive ever read on this site!! Laughing my ass off, that so could have been me :chuckle:
When hunting a cow/spike area, DO NOT under any circumstances day dream because you know all the elk have been pushed out.
Then, DO NOT wander aimlessly down the skidder trail until you're jerked back to reality by the sight of a big fat cow staring at you.
Then, DO NOT panic and pull off the stupidest miss imaginable by jerking the trigger before you're settled in on the target.
Then, when she trots off and the world's largest spike walks out see what's making all the noise, DO NOT get caught reloading and lose your mind.
Then, DO NOT EVER forget that you need to fully reload before shooting and shoot your ramrod at the unsuspecting spike.
I know that I am still scarred from the incident and I suspect that spike is too.
I think I'm going to go cry now.......
Dan
Post by: Elkpiss on June 24, 2011, 07:43:48 AM
MY TIP:Haha, the infamous reload while a animal is standing there.... hahahahaha thats a funny read man.. :chuckle: :chuckle:
When hunting a cow/spike area, DO NOT under any circumstances day dream because you know all the elk have been pushed out.
Then, DO NOT wander aimlessly down the skidder trail until you're jerked back to reality by the sight of a big fat cow staring at you.
Then, DO NOT panic and pull off the stupidest miss imaginable by jerking the trigger before you're settled in on the target.
Then, when she trots off and the world's largest spike walks out see what's making all the noise, DO NOT get caught reloading and lose your mind.
Then, DO NOT EVER forget that you need to fully reload before shooting and shoot your ramrod at the unsuspecting spike.
I know that I am still scarred from the incident and I suspect that spike is too.
I think I'm going to go cry now.......
Dan
Post by: jstone on June 24, 2011, 08:20:10 AM
Post by: The100Road on June 24, 2011, 08:33:06 AM
Worst feeling ever, When a bull/cow is standing there and it doesnt go off.
Post by: Dirty Mike on June 24, 2011, 01:41:39 PM
When I first started muzzy I had a lot of miss fires at animals. One time I miss fired right after a reload for a follow up shot. I removed the nipple and no powder in sight. After that day I added a small amount of FFF ( shot FF) right below the nipple EVERY time I loaded for hunting. I never had a miss fire again. Good luck, Mikewhat gun were you using?
Post by: rasbo on June 24, 2011, 01:49:41 PM
Post by: buckhorn2 on June 24, 2011, 02:08:32 PM
Post by: rasbo on June 24, 2011, 02:11:03 PM
Get rid of a wooden ram rod and get a good one I saw one break and it went right into the guys arm.ouch
Post by: Kowsrule30 on June 24, 2011, 03:04:24 PM
Post by: MHWASH on June 25, 2011, 07:07:36 AM
Post by: Sabotloader on June 25, 2011, 12:18:59 PM
When loading a sidelock, after pouring the powder down the barrel, thump the stock on the floor/ground a few times to help get the powder into the nipple area. I've also turned the nipple side down and thumped the stock with my hand. It may or not help, but in the three seasons I've hutned the late muzzy season, I've never had a missfire. I've hunted over 3 days in the rain and snow and had it go off everytime. I was even using real blackpowder.
It really does help... like you I have it near verticle turn it sideways and tap the opposite side of the lock to get the powder to move out under the nipple. Also when pouring the powder in I pour about 10 -20 grains then tap - then dump the rest. If you pour it all in at once you might compact it before you can get it to go sideways...
Post by: unluckyjohn on June 26, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on August 04, 2011, 12:10:40 PM
I shoot a knight, unscrew the rear 2nd safety and never touch it again. It can cost you an elk.:chuckle: Yup, cost a friend his first chance at a mule deer two years ago. He is still crying because he later shot one much smaller :chuckle:
Post by: 50CalJim on August 04, 2011, 12:17:12 PM
Post by: jackmaster on August 04, 2011, 12:24:24 PM
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on August 04, 2011, 12:30:59 PM
Post by: superdown on August 04, 2011, 12:34:37 PM
Post by: jackmaster on August 04, 2011, 03:19:28 PM
Learned my lesson Monday that it might be a good idea to have an extra Ramrod incase you break one in half like I did. Its kinda hard to shoot when the Bullet is only 5" down the barrell. >:(yeah i got rid of the wooden one and bought a fiberglass rod, didnt worry anymore
Post by: hillbilli on August 19, 2011, 05:58:35 PM
Post by: DeerThug on August 19, 2011, 06:10:57 PM
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on August 24, 2011, 11:52:32 AM
If you choose to be the only jerk in the canyon that discharges you gun and relaod it every day. DO NOT shoot the gun at 3:30 am every morning. You will not make any friends....:yeah:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 24, 2011, 12:14:20 PM
Learned my lesson Monday that it might be a good idea to have an extra Ramrod incase you break one in half like I did. Its kinda hard to shoot when the Bullet is only 5" down the barrell. >:(
I hope you didn't shoot it out with it only being 5" down the barrel :yike: that is one of the most dangerous things to do with a muzzleloader. If you did I would have it inspected by someone. The air gap between the powder and bullet can cause the excess pressure to buldge the barrel or blow it up. That is a 100% fact and very dangerous.
Post by: 50CalJim on August 24, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
Come on Dude give me some credit I'm not that dumb. :o :o :oLearned my lesson Monday that it might be a good idea to have an extra Ramrod incase you break one in half like I did. Its kinda hard to shoot when the Bullet is only 5" down the barrell. >:(
I hope you didn't shoot it out with it only being 5" down the barrel :yike: that is one of the most dangerous things to do with a muzzleloader. If you did I would have it inspected by someone. The air gap between the powder and bullet can cause the excess pressure to buldge the barrel or blow it up. That is a 100% fact and very dangerous.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 24, 2011, 01:26:00 PM
Come on Dude give me some credit I'm not that dumb. :o :o :oLearned my lesson Monday that it might be a good idea to have an extra Ramrod incase you break one in half like I did. Its kinda hard to shoot when the Bullet is only 5" down the barrell. >:(
I hope you didn't shoot it out with it only being 5" down the barrel :yike: that is one of the most dangerous things to do with a muzzleloader. If you did I would have it inspected by someone. The air gap between the powder and bullet can cause the excess pressure to buldge the barrel or blow it up. That is a 100% fact and very dangerous.
I don't give anyone credit when it comes to being safe. I just wanted to make sure you were aware and others as well. So someone else didn't read that and say I can just shoot it out. Which your post makes it seem like you did. Just wanted to make sure everyone understood
Post by: 50CalJim on August 24, 2011, 01:30:26 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on August 24, 2011, 05:02:31 PM