Post by: shanevg on June 06, 2011, 09:06:03 PM
Last two pics were taken by my bro with my Panasonic Lumix.
The kid is less than 2 weeks old!
Post by: steelhead13 on June 06, 2011, 09:07:41 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on June 06, 2011, 09:09:40 PM
I have been enjoying your pics of these goats for a couple years now. You really need to draw a goat tag!
Post by: shanevg on June 06, 2011, 09:14:52 PM
Shane-:tup:
I have been enjoying your pics of these goats for a couple years now. You really need to draw a goat tag!
Don't need to tell me that, I've been waiting for years!!!
Don't worry, I'm applying in Washington, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, and Nevada, it will happen sooner or later.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 06, 2011, 09:19:13 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on June 06, 2011, 10:42:41 PM
Post by: Widgeondeke on June 07, 2011, 11:59:36 AM
Very cool pic's! That's a heck of a nanny as well! Very nice to see some kids! Hope they make it.I was thinking the same thing :yeah:
at first glance I thought that was a billy with the momma & kid.
Post by: 180-GRAIN on June 07, 2011, 12:10:56 PM
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Post by: Tony on June 07, 2011, 01:14:11 PM
Post by: shanevg on June 07, 2011, 01:17:45 PM
What goat unit did you take the shots in?
Mt Baker.
Post by: trophyhunt on June 07, 2011, 02:05:41 PM
:yeah:I also thought it was a billy, I might have made a mistake if I had a tag in my poket and I was shooting at 200+ yards. Heck of a nanny.Very cool pic's! That's a heck of a nanny as well! Very nice to see some kids! Hope they make it.I was thinking the same thing :yeah:
at first glance I thought that was a billy with the momma & kid.
Post by: C-Money on June 07, 2011, 02:08:57 PM
Post by: netcoyote on June 07, 2011, 08:04:20 PM
While we are on the topic of goats...I was down in the Goat Rocks Wilderness last year and saw this big guy....least I think it was a billy. I thought it might be a pregnant nanny since it was so large. Anybody have a good way to determine sex on these critters? How about the breeding periods? This pic was taken in mid August.
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Post by: shanevg on June 07, 2011, 08:22:55 PM
Mountain goats give birth in the last week of May to first week of June. Definitely not a pregnant goat in August. Sometimes it's just funny seeing them with such short hair (it is about he shortest in early August) when you can see all its body features in great detail.
Post by: boonerboy on June 07, 2011, 08:33:46 PM
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Post by: jmx369 on June 08, 2011, 09:13:50 AM
Post by: shanevg on June 08, 2011, 09:20:48 PM
what are some tips for determining the sex? I love looking at goats but know next to nothing about them. :dunno:
There are a lot of different ways to determine the sex of the goat. I have been able to see a goat's "male package" from behind a time or to, but most of the time that is not the easiest view to get of a goat. The horns are usually the best way to tell the difference. A male's horns have MUCH more mass than a female's. Additionally, a male's horns will make almost a quarter circle as opposed to a female's which will start out very straight and then kind of hook right at the very end.
In the first picture below you can see that this one is obviously a female. It's body size gives it away as bigger than a yearling goat but the horns have almost no mass at all and are very short.
Similarly, the second goat (with the young kid) is also a female (a good way to tell is if it has a kid with it, although in a big herd the kids will really mill around quite a bit and sometimes you can't tell which goat a particular kid belongs to). One way to tell this is a nanny is the long straight horn at the bottom, and very little mass. A good rule of thumb is that if the base of the horn is wider than the eyeball it is usually a male. In this case, the horn is obviously thinner than the eyeball. You may also notice that the horns seem to be particularly long. That is partially due to the lack of mass that makes them look very long, although the longest horns ever measured on goats are all on nannies. In general, a billy's horns will be longer than a majority of the nanny's.
In the third though sixth pictures you can really get an idea of the straight horns that hook right at the end and the lack of mass. Almost all of these nanny's have particularly long horns for a nanny. I am convinced that the Mt. Baker herd generally has longer horned nanny's than most areas and I actually believe I have seen a few that might push B&C. The last picture is of one such nanny that really seems to have it all. It is quite massive at the bases and very good length and a very wide spread. Most people don't realize that spread can make a big difference in goat scoring and a big nanny like this with a particularly wide spread could just push the B&C boundary.
Post by: shanevg on June 08, 2011, 09:24:36 PM
The second billy (pictures 3 and 4) is a poor genetic billy in my opinion. His horn length and body size indicate to me that he may be relatively old (4-5 years) but his lack of mass is noticeable. Still you can see the quarter circle horns again.
The last billy is an iPhone picture from the zoo but gives you a good idea of what a big billy will look like.
Post by: shanevg on June 08, 2011, 09:29:05 PM
http://wildlife.state.co.us/NR/rdonlyres/0245BEA4-BAB9-4475-93DF-16AC8BBD0433/0/MountainGoatIDQuizWEBRev09102010.pdf (http://wildlife.state.co.us/NR/rdonlyres/0245BEA4-BAB9-4475-93DF-16AC8BBD0433/0/MountainGoatIDQuizWEBRev09102010.pdf)
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/docs/goat_orientation_08Utah.pdf (http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/fw/wildlife/hunting/docs/goat_orientation_08Utah.pdf)
Also some pictures I found online of some billies that were killed by hunters.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 08, 2011, 09:48:27 PM
Shane, I hope you are ready for me to draw my tag this year :IBCOOL: You will be getting a call for sure :chuckle:
Post by: shanevg on June 08, 2011, 09:52:04 PM
I have not been around goat's much. I have always heard about the gland at the base of the horns. It seem's like the blackness on the base of the horns tells a lot about the goat being a male.
Shane, I hope you are ready for me to draw my tag this year :IBCOOL: You will be getting a call for sure :chuckle:
The gland is a great way to tell a billy from nanny, especially as you get closer and closer to the November rut. The thing to remember is that when their hair is not very long you can see a gland on all goats, so just be careful about that. But when it is close to November the gland is impossible to miss. You can see it from hundreds of yards away through your binoculars.
I can't wait for any HuntWa member to get drawn so I can help them out!