Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on June 09, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
Post by: huntnnw on June 09, 2011, 09:22:44 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on June 11, 2011, 02:08:36 AM
Post by: 400out on June 11, 2011, 08:48:09 AM
Not surprised.... WT are the easiest to kill.... :chuckle::chuckle:
Post by: rock on June 11, 2011, 09:02:39 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on June 11, 2011, 09:24:32 AM
Not surprised.... WT are the easiest to kill.... :chuckle:
Please show me all your 150+ whitetail.
Post by: PolarBear on June 11, 2011, 09:29:56 AM
Not surprised.... WT are the easiest to kill.... :chuckle::yeah:
Without a doubt, easiest to pattern and for those who compelled to bait, easiest draw into an area artificially.
Post by: huntnnw on June 11, 2011, 11:56:47 AM
Post by: PolarBear on June 11, 2011, 01:02:58 PM
Post by: alecvg on June 11, 2011, 01:24:09 PM
Post by: NWHydroprint on June 11, 2011, 07:17:38 PM
NWH
Post by: hoyt2002 on June 11, 2011, 07:31:17 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on June 11, 2011, 07:32:51 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 11, 2011, 07:44:50 PM
But lets see someone shoot or find a 150 class blacktail buck. They are the hardest deer to hunt period.-With a blacktail there still just about as smart even in November! By far the hardest to Hunt!
NWH
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on June 11, 2011, 09:23:46 PM
Not surprised.... WT are the easiest to kill.... :chuckle::yeah:
Without a doubt, easiest to pattern and for those who compelled to bait, easiest draw into an area artificially.
Just because you can pattern them and bait them doesn't mean they are the easiest to kill. If you pattern a buck that rarely moves during the day your odds of success are very low. A 3.5+ year old (yes not even fully mature) whitetail buck in high pressure areas is probably one of the most difficult of all deer to hunt (even when you know he is there).. probably on par with blacktail and I dare say.. possibly harder.... most people who have only hunted deer in the West/Midwest can't comprehend this because they likely have never hunted a truly pressured deer species of any kind in their life. What we consider high pressure here is nothing compared to what people experience hunting back east/south.
Whitetail adapt better than any other deer species. You turn up the pressure too much and they will practically disappear during legal shooting hours. No other deer species can handle the seasons/pressure that North America's whitetail herds experience.
All the deer species are difficult in their own way.
A good friend of mine is a blacktail fanatic (OR). Year after year he consistently kills big bucks. He tells me scouting is key and says the biggest reason most people aren't successful is because they don't take their scouting seriously. From what he tells me patterning blacktail is as effective as patterning early season whitetail. He finds nice bucks every year that do that same things 4-5 days out of the week. He has only killed a few bucks that he never saw prior to the day his arrow hit home.
In areas with agriculture I know for a fact that mule deer can be patterned early and late in the season because I see the same mule deer bucks doing the same thing day after day. I am sure it is more difficult to pattern them in the high country but I can't speak from experience there because I am not a mule deer hunter.
Personally for me I like the pattern aspect of whitetail hunting. I prefer killing a buck I know of rather than having a random encounter with a buck I have never seen by trailcamera, glassing or otherwise. (i.e. a whole lot of luck). Most (not all) of the mule deer hunters I meet admit they never even knew their buck existed before the day they killed it...That being said if I have 150+ whitetail that I have never seen show up I won't be disappointed. :chuckle:
Post by: wsucowboy on June 11, 2011, 10:46:19 PM
the great whitetail vs. muley debate this should last forever.:yeah: Probably going to turn into a 10 page pissing contest between the whitetail people and the mule deer people. I've never hunted mulies or white tails in the rut but I would take a good mule deer over a good whitetail any day :twocents:
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on June 11, 2011, 10:53:07 PM
Try to find a 150 class BT in WA would be the hardest part.... No matter how much you scouted..... And for the WT nut... Have you ever seen them during the rut????? Not the smartest deer in woods would you say.... But what do you think is gonna happen when you only get it once a year for a maybe a few weeks... I'd die trying as well..... :tup:
A 150+ blacktail is huge. However, the odds of finding a 150+ typical blacktail in WA is a far cry better than finding an equivalent (size ratio) typical whitetail or mulie in WA.
A 150+ typical blacktail is roughly on par with a 185+ typical whitetail. In the B&C there are 30 blacktail bucks of this caliber that have been taken in WA. there is only one typical whitetail of this caliber (from WA) in B&C.
As for mule deer. A 150+ typical blacktail is roughly on par with a 200+ typical mule deer. In B&C there are only four of those that have been entered from Washington.
Whitetail bucks are more visible during the rut but it is very rare that I see them in the almost completely oblivious state which I often see with Mulies. I have heard that blacktail rut behavior/vulnerability is similar to whitetail.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on June 11, 2011, 10:54:15 PM
:chuckle:the great whitetail vs. muley debate this should last forever.:yeah: Probably going to turn into a 10 page pissing contest between the whitetail people and the mule deer people. I've never hunted mulies or white tails in the rut but I would take a good mule deer over a good whitetail any day :twocents:
Post by: Buckhunter24 on June 12, 2011, 10:21:30 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on June 12, 2011, 11:24:12 PM
I know this is a never ending argument, but having hunted both western and eastern wa my opinion is blacktails are tougher to hunt. I think its more a factor of cover vs. what species you are hunting. Cant say I know much about how blacktail scores compare to whitetail/muley scores but I do know I have rarely needed a scope/ binos on the westside compared to the eastside. Ive always had to work to get in close for a clear shot on blacktails.
Generally speaking I have no doubt a blacktail is more difficult to kill than a Eastern Washington whitetail. Relative to most whitetail in the nation ours experience very little pressure. However, the difficulty of killing a 3.5+ year old whitetail in hard hunted places like some areas in Michigan is probably comparable to hunting blacktail. A buck that lives 3-4 years in states like that is almost completely nocturnal and rarely does the opportunity arise to kill such a buck.