Post by: PA BEN on June 15, 2011, 04:37:28 AM
Post by: Curly on June 15, 2011, 05:20:06 AM
But, with that said, there is really no reason that you should have to change what already works for her assuming the 140 gr Nosler is the Partition or Accubond. If her current bullet is the 140 gr Nosler BT then I agree that you should change to a better bullet.
Post by: Slenk on June 15, 2011, 05:38:20 AM
Not a thing wrong with the laods she is using now.
I shoot 140 NP in my 7-08 . They will put a Elk down just as good as 160s.
Post by: fremont on June 15, 2011, 06:16:41 AM
Post by: C-Money on June 15, 2011, 06:24:12 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 15, 2011, 06:27:47 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 15, 2011, 08:58:26 AM
just my :twocents: love everyones opinion on bullet weight but my son has taken a couple deer and bear with his and I like 140 gr hornadays .. hold up good and will drop some sheet.. if you want and good factory load I would say hands down pick up a box of ( FUSIONS ) awesome groups and serious nockdown power ... 140 also !! goog luckI can get core locks to group better out of my sako then I can fusions.
Post by: Huntbear on June 15, 2011, 09:01:34 AM
Post by: thinkingman on June 15, 2011, 09:45:37 AM
Varget to get it moving.....
Post by: PA BEN on June 15, 2011, 06:47:17 PM
just my :twocents: love everyones opinion on bullet weight but my son has taken a couple deer and bear with his and I like 140 gr hornadays .. hold up good and will drop some sheet.. if you want and good factory load I would say hands down pick up a box of ( FUSIONS ) awesome groups and serious nockdown power ... 140 also !! goog luck( FUSIONS ) Will not group out of this gun. I've tried them. I like the 160gr accubond for elk, my 7mm rem. mag. loves them, but if a 140gr will do the trick on elk I have a load worked up now. I was thinking a heaver bullet would be better.
Post by: seth30 on June 15, 2011, 06:57:48 PM
Post by: 700xcr on June 15, 2011, 07:24:04 PM
Post by: Jamieb on June 15, 2011, 07:35:41 PM
Last yeats bull took one through both shoulders at 60 yards, bullet exited.
Post by: Hyde on June 15, 2011, 08:29:41 PM
Post by: coyotewallace on June 15, 2011, 08:45:27 PM
also run the 270g tsx in my 375 ruger
going with the 120TTSX for my daughters new 7-08
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 15, 2011, 09:00:10 PM
140 gr. Partitions over your favorite powder concoction will put em in the freezer. As always, Shot placement is most important component.
:tup:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 15, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
no doubt ... all bullets kill ..just some work better than others ...shot placement is 95% of the equation....140 gr. Partitions over your favorite powder concoction will put em in the freezer. As always, Shot placement is most important component.
:tup:
Post by: PA BEN on June 19, 2011, 05:30:27 AM
At 2500 fps. 1622 fps at 600yds. Thats a lot of knock down from 0 to 600yds.
Post by: fremont on June 19, 2011, 07:28:43 AM
Looks like this came out of a manual. Never shot anything this heavy in mine, so I was sort of surprised that Re-15 was the right burn rate. Assumed it might be slower, given the heavy bullet.
Post by: Bob33 on June 19, 2011, 07:52:04 AM
Going to try RL-15 37 gr, Noslet Accubond 160 gr 2520 fps. Ballistic Coefficient .531About 930 foot pounds at 600 yards. That's marginal for an elk load.
At 2500 fps. 1622 fps at 600yds. Thats a lot of knock down from 0 to 600yds.
Post by: Huntbear on June 19, 2011, 08:29:35 AM
Going to try RL-15 37 gr, Noslet Accubond 160 gr 2520 fps. Ballistic Coefficient .531
At 2500 fps. 1622 fps at 600yds. Thats a lot of knock down from 0 to 600yds.
If you are quoting from a reloading manual, remember :
1. they use 24-26" test barrels for velocities
2. 160 gr bullets may have to be seated so deep, it takes up powder space and increase pressures.
3. 600 yds? 7mm-08 on elk? :o That is pushing past .338 WM territory.
4. You will get much better performance out of 140 gr. bullets.
5. Varget, and Win. 760 are much better powders for that cartridge.
Post by: C-Money on June 19, 2011, 12:20:42 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 19, 2011, 12:53:18 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 19, 2011, 12:59:41 PM
160/450400 * 1622^2 = 934 foot pounds
Post by: Emptyhanded on June 19, 2011, 01:35:20 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 19, 2011, 01:49:03 PM
100yds-1820 ft lbs
200yds-1571 ft lbs
300yds-1349 ft lbs
160gr Nosler AccuBond
100yds-1940
200yds-1690
300yds-1465
Looks like the 160gr w/hit a lot harder and it is a 2" differents in bullet drop at 300yds.
Post by: Curly on June 19, 2011, 02:13:47 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 19, 2011, 05:30:22 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 19, 2011, 06:13:14 PM
yes exactly.... I60 is a little heavy but the 140 is perfect ..... I used 140 s for over 30yrs now and I can not change do to the results i have accumulated over the years .... :twocents:Going to try RL-15 37 gr, Noslet Accubond 160 gr 2520 fps. Ballistic Coefficient .531
At 2500 fps. 1622 fps at 600yds. Thats a lot of knock down from 0 to 600yds.
If you are quoting from a reloading manual, remember :
1. they use 24-26" test barrels for velocities
2. 160 gr bullets may have to be seated so deep, it takes up powder space and increase pressures.
3. 600 yds? 7mm-08 on elk? :o That is pushing past .338 WM territory.
4. You will get much better performance out of 140 gr. bullets.
5. Varget, and Win. 760 are much better powders for that cartridge.
Post by: C-Money on June 19, 2011, 06:47:27 PM
Post by: Bob33 on June 19, 2011, 07:31:01 PM
I don't know a lot about copper bullets, it just doesn't seem right to me to shoot an elk w/a 120gr bullet. :dunno:The concept to recognize is that a Barnes bullet will retain nearly 100% of its weight, while conventional bullets retain 50% to 70%. The Accubond is designed to shed 30% to 40% of its weight inside an animal. That means a 160 grain Accubond enters an animal with 160 grains, and it if exits the bullet weighs about 110 grains. A 120 Barnes enters an animal weighing 120 grains, and exits weighing about 119.9 grains.
There are pros and cons to each, but in general you can use "light for caliber" monolithic bullets like the Barnes with results equivalent to using heavier, conventional jacketed bullets.
Post by: Salmo on June 19, 2011, 08:31:38 PM
My 12 yr old Daughter and I drew Cow Elk tags this year. She shoots a Win. youth mod. 70 ranger. She has taken 3 deer w/it 140 gr factory and 140 gr nosler hand loads. I was thinking of using 160 gr nosler AccuBonds, but it might kick a little much. :dunno:
PA BEN,
You should be able to push a 140 partition close to 2800fps.. Also take a look at the 120TSX.. I know for a fact that 120TSX will go 3000fps in a 22" barrel. I like the TSX at higher velocities which is why I'd go with the 120gr. The 140NP will do a great job.. I'm a partition guy! They open up nicely and penetrate well.. Have used both mentioned on elk without a glitch. My current elk rifle is a .260rem with a 140 Partition at 2750fps!! Congrats on the tag and have fun!
Post by: bobcat on June 19, 2011, 09:11:13 PM
140gr Nosler AccuBond
100yds-1820 ft lbs
200yds-1571 ft lbs
300yds-1349 ft lbs
160gr Nosler AccuBond
100yds-1940
200yds-1690
300yds-1465
Looks like the 160gr w/hit a lot harder and it is a 2" differents in bullet drop at 300yds.
To me, foot pounds of energy is practically a meaningless number. And the numbers you posted show very little difference in energy anyway. The thing is, if a bullet can penetrate an animal completely, that's all it needs to do. The energy doesn't matter (IMO). I used to always think the heavier bullets were better, but now, with the premium bullets, especially the 100% copper bullets, I like the idea of lighter/faster bullets. The additional benefit of that is less recoil. There really is no disadvantage to the light bullets. Now if you were talking 7mm magnum, I'd definitely go with the 160. But 7/08 I'd go 140. Even that 120 TSX would be one I'd consider.
Post by: PA BEN on June 20, 2011, 08:04:01 PM
Post by: True Sportsman on June 20, 2011, 08:15:04 PM
Personally, I prefer a deep penetrating bullet to ensure I get to the vitals from any angle. A 120 TSX wont do that on an elk (my opinion). It will definitely kill an elk, but a heavier bullet is a little better.
Your 7mm-08 shooting a 120 TSX will have less velocity and less meat damage. Think twice about the 120... If I was in your shoes, I would pick something with a little more weight. I think a 140 TSX would be about perfect.
I now shoot the 160 Accubonds and love them. I actually loaded them down out of the 7Mag and they are moving about 2900 fps. They are great for me... Good luck.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 20, 2011, 08:37:28 PM
I just caught the tail end of this thread. I shoot a 7 Mag, and shot the 120 TSX for a season. It was going a lot faster than the 7mm-08 (3450 fps). I killed an elk, buck, and bear with this bullet. I was not a fan. All the animals died, but the penetration was moderate. Meat damage at that velocity was ridiculous. It turned meat into jello. On the elk, there was no room for error on shot placement.i agree 100% I love shooting lesser grain bullets but just on smaller game like yotes and groundhogs....and out of the magnums I would go heavier than lighter too .....on big game....I just can not be convinced that their is a better bullet than the 140 ... everything I have shot has hit the dirt hard ... :twocents:
Personally, I prefer a deep penetrating bullet to ensure I get to the vitals from any angle. A 120 TSX wont do that on an elk (my opinion). It will definitely kill an elk, but a heavier bullet is a little better.
Your 7mm-08 shooting a 120 TSX will have less velocity and less meat damage. Think twice about the 120... If I was in your shoes, I would pick something with a little more weight. I think a 140 TSX would be about perfect.
I now shoot the 160 Accubonds and love them. I actually loaded them down out of the 7Mag and they are moving about 2900 fps. They are great for me... Good luck.
Post by: Bob33 on June 20, 2011, 08:52:05 PM
Post by: True Sportsman on June 20, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
I don't know a lot about copper bullets, it just doesn't seem right to me to shoot an elk w/a 120gr bullet. :dunno:The concept to recognize is that a Barnes bullet will retain nearly 100% of its weight, while conventional bullets retain 50% to 70%. The Accubond is designed to shed 30% to 40% of its weight inside an animal. That means a 160 grain Accubond enters an animal with 160 grains, and it if exits the bullet weighs about 110 grains. A 120 Barnes enters an animal weighing 120 grains, and exits weighing about 119.9 grains.
There are pros and cons to each, but in general you can use "light for caliber" monolithic bullets like the Barnes with results equivalent to using heavier, conventional jacketed bullets.
The fact that all Barnes bullets retain 100% of their weight can be misleading. I think the really light Barnes bullets pushed at high velocities can shed the petals of the bullet when the bullet impacts hard bone. I found fragments of copper in my elk, that I killed. I shot the bull at 25yds, and the 120 TXS was going 3450 fps.
Could be a freak thing, I dont know. But it was enough to have me switch bullets to something heavier. That and wind drift with the light bullets at 300yds plus was excessive.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on June 20, 2011, 11:09:17 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 20, 2011, 11:15:01 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 20, 2011, 11:18:33 PM
The Barnes manual seems to show some high velocities in their loads. I like sticking with the manual for what ever bullet I am loading. I know we have the wifes 7mm-08 set up with the 140 Accubond. She will hunt elk and deer this year with it. I need to find a chronograph to shoot threw an get some velocity numbers. It is a 22'' barrel, so I am hoping for some where close to 2700- 2800fps.
YES! Thats the best thing to do. There is a lot of difference in the powder companies load books. I like to use the info from the bullet manufactures.
I bet they will run in the 2700 range c-money.
Post by: C-Money on June 20, 2011, 11:23:40 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 21, 2011, 06:28:34 AM
Post by: PA BEN on June 24, 2011, 06:34:20 AM
16 at 150.2
16 at 150.5
15 at 150.3
2 at 150.6
1 at 149.7
I'm fairly new at reloading and don't call me anal, but is this a noticeable difference or is this common?
Post by: C-Money on June 24, 2011, 08:52:52 AM
Post by: Huntbear on June 24, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
My Ruger M77 7mm, REM. Mag. Stacks 160gr accubonds on top of each other. I use 61.3 grs of RL-19, Mag primer. I found that seating depth on my 7mm-08 is a BIG issue when it comes to accuracy.
PA BEN
You mentioned this is your daughters elk gun. A few points to reconsider.
Heavier bullets equal heavier RECOIL! If she is gonna have to sit at a bench and shoot these, it WILL HURT! Bigger is not always better, if it is going to make her start to flinch. If you really want a bigger bullet, go get her an 06 and let her get kicked.
Seating depth is a very big issue with 160 gr. bullets and the 7mm-08. This is a short action round, and in reality was designed to best use 120 & 140 gr. bullets in most applications. You are also using up valuable powder space by having to seat the 160 gr. bullets deeper into the case.
Plus, you have the added aggravation of having to make sure EVERY round will feed through the magazine, unless you are just seating the bullets to COAL, but then you are eating the above mentioned powder space up.
140 gr. Partitions and Accubonds will kill any elk out to 250 yds. easily. If the shot placement is good.
Not trying to bust your chops, but it seems like you are going out of your way to make this more difficult.
Those bullets probably do work wonders in your 7 mag. However, you are reloading for a little girl, in a lot smaller gun.
Post by: PA BEN on June 24, 2011, 05:02:52 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 25, 2011, 06:22:10 PM
This Target. The load last year she shot for deer. 1 1/2 " groups 140 accubond, at the lower group, the new elk load, 160 gr accubond 3/4 to 7/8's group. As I noted on the target I pulled the off shot on the 160 gr group.
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This target 150 gr partition. 2 2/4", I guess I could play w/powder or O.A.L. But w/the recoil and the group the 160 gr might be the load.
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Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 25, 2011, 07:02:04 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 25, 2011, 07:30:42 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 26, 2011, 12:57:46 AM
Post by: PA BEN on June 26, 2011, 06:16:37 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2011, 08:12:25 AM
Yeah, I like the 140 accubond too. I'm going to play w/them all a little more and see if I can tighten them up a little more. BTW, I started a thread about rate of twist and a chart w/posted and in .284 caliber (7mm) w/a 9 twist they recommend heavier bullets 150's to 175's. I've always liked heavier bullets, shot 170's through my 30-30 as a kid, put one through both shoulders and out the other side on a bear at 100yds. My first big game kill at age 14. I shot 180's for deer out of my 308. I think the heavier bullets don't wast the meat like the lighter ones do.
[/quot Hey Ben do me a big favor ... sometime please go pick up a box of 140 gr. hornaday SPBT ... If you want to see some sheet hit the dirt then you should give them a try ... not bragging by any means but I have dropped bear out past 500 yds with my .270 and I always shoot for the shoulders and only remember shooting one to two twice .. most of them I watched roll to the bottom of the mountain ..and I will show ya what kinda country I hunt bear in .. you do not ever get shots closer than 200 and most of the time you have seconds to get a shot before they disappear back into the Oregon grapes....I brag up hornaday because they make the real deal ..... :tup:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2011, 08:24:38 AM
Post by: PA BEN on June 26, 2011, 03:26:32 PM
Post by: Slenk on June 26, 2011, 04:23:17 PM
Try some IMR 4007ssc. Works great in my rifle, with 140 or 160 gr. bullets.
Post by: PA BEN on June 26, 2011, 04:47:12 PM
rem.mag. I used IMR 4350, head shot a deer at 250 yds w/a 160 gr nosler accubond. Then I tried RL-22 same length grouped better then I tried RL- 19 and I stacked each bullet on top of each other. I used the same OCL for each load. I'm going to try OCL on these 7mm-08's w/the same powder.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2011, 05:36:40 PM
I know different powders work. Last year on my 7mmnothen personal bud .. I use 4350 in my 243 but I get awesome groups out of the 7mm-08 with 4831 ... just trying to save you time and money ... all my guns are tact drivers and thats because of all the time and money I have spent doing so.. no biggy what you have will definately work !! :tup:
rem.mag. I used IMR 4350, head shot a deer at 250 yds w/a 160 gr nosler accubond. Then I tried RL-22 same length grouped better then I tried RL- 19 and I stacked each bullet on top of each other. I used the same OCL for each load. I'm going to try OCL on these 7mm-08's w/the same powder.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2011, 05:43:04 PM
Post by: GEARHEAD on June 26, 2011, 07:11:46 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2011, 07:37:48 PM
A 7MM-08 will do anything a .270 will.Now I am not that nice ...... :yike:
Post by: bobcat on June 26, 2011, 07:51:55 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2011, 07:54:04 PM
And a 308 will do anything a 7/08 will. :dunno::yeah: I believe they use 308 in 1000 yd competition .... :dunno:
Post by: PA BEN on June 26, 2011, 08:10:48 PM
Heres my 7mm rem. mag. 160 ge accubond, RL-19
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My daughters buck from last year
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Same gun my other daughter last year
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 26, 2011, 08:22:47 PM
Yep, each gun w/twist and barrel length will work with different powder. I'm not saying Imr 4831 wont work, but what gun are you shooting out of? A 270 is not a 7mm-08. Each gun likes a different load. My nosler book says RL-15 for 160 gr accubonds and Big Game for 140 gr accubonds is most accurate w/7mm-08. I don't have any big game powder so I'm trying what I've got.I use 4831 out of three of my guns ....270 / 25-06 and 7mm-08 and they all are tack drivers but its all a personal thing I suppose ....and the shot placement on your daughters deer will end anyones day ..... :tup: this could go on forever so if you like it then thats the load for you ....
Heres my 7mm rem. mag. 160 ge accubond, RL-19
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My daughters buck from last year
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Same gun my other daughter last year
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Post by: GEARHEAD on June 26, 2011, 09:41:15 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 26, 2011, 09:43:40 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 26, 2011, 09:54:41 PM
Also, congrats on getting your daughters out in the woods, thats cool.....
Post by: PA BEN on June 27, 2011, 06:05:45 PM
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 27, 2011, 06:25:03 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on June 27, 2011, 06:28:56 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 27, 2011, 09:23:34 PM
Post by: Huntnphish on June 27, 2011, 09:28:01 PM
Post by: PA BEN on June 29, 2011, 06:08:42 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 30, 2011, 11:15:25 AM
Post by: PA BEN on June 30, 2011, 03:49:49 PM
Post by: HighRoad on July 05, 2011, 02:13:27 PM
Post by: Curly on July 05, 2011, 02:37:06 PM
Good elk load right there. :tup:
Post by: PA BEN on July 05, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
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Post by: Salmo on July 06, 2011, 01:51:13 AM
The 7mm-08 is an excellent elk round! With practice it will cleanly take a nice Bull at any range you feel comfortable shooting.. I know I ran one for 14yrs.. Now I prefer the .260rem, but not for any particular reason..
Have a great season!
Post by: Huntnphish on July 06, 2011, 06:44:39 PM
Laffin my a*censored*s of at those that limit the -08 to 250 yds..
Really? I'm glad Pa Ben has more common sense than this, limiting a 12 year old to 250 yards is not only sensable but the responsible thing to do as well. :twocents:
Good for you Pa Ben. :tup:
Post by: coyotewallace on July 06, 2011, 06:55:09 PM
Were going to learn hunting first not long range shooting..
My 12 year old will be keeping her shooting to 100-150+/-yrds tops for a few years......
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 06, 2011, 07:10:26 PM
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Post by: Salmo on July 06, 2011, 11:53:47 PM
I just caught the tail end of this thread. I shoot a 7 Mag, and shot the 120 TSX for a season. It was going a lot faster than the 7mm-08 (3450 fps). I killed an elk, buck, and bear with this bullet. I was not a fan. All the animals died, but the penetration was moderate. Meat damage at that velocity was ridiculous. It turned meat into jello. On the elk, there was no room for error on shot placement.
Personally, I prefer a deep penetrating bullet to ensure I get to the vitals from any angle. A 120 TSX wont do that on an elk (my opinion). It will definitely kill an elk, but a heavier bullet is a little better.
Your 7mm-08 shooting a 120 TSX will have less velocity and less meat damage. Think twice about the 120... If I was in your shoes, I would pick something with a little more weight. I think a 140 TSX would be about perfect.
I now shoot the 160 Accubonds and love them. I actually loaded them down out of the 7Mag and they are moving about 2900 fps. They are great for me... Good luck.
A 120 TSX will retain more weight than either the 140 Accubond or the 140 NP which almost always retain the 65% Nosler claims and driven faster will dig deeper. A 120TSX at 3000+fps is one mean sum biatch.. At higher velocitys such as the 7mm mag your givin the ability to push heavier bullets faster and in a 7mag I'd no doubt up the weight.
The original poster was asking about the 7mm-08 which you haven't used on elk so why bring up a 7Mag.. Two different monsters all together..
Energy tables mean alot less to me than velocity.. Velocity is what gives a bullet the ability to expand violently.. A 120tsx will go farther, flatter, faster which means acceptable expansion will happen at farther distance..
To the O.P. In the 7-08 I'd also run a 140 AB or a 140NP before I'd run a 160AB... My son killed his biggest buck to date, a 185" Mule Deer at 357yds with a 140Partition in the 7-08. The really impressive part of this is that this buck was every bit of 300lbs on the hoof. That buck hit the ground as hard if not harder than any critter of any kind shot with any cartridge that I have ever seen. There was a day when I had a 30-06 that I thought you'd have to pry outa my cold dead hands...
Based an over 18yrs with a 30-06 and 14yrs with a 7-08 I have yet to see a 30-06 with a 180gr AB or Partition kill any deer elk or bear any deader than a 7-08 with 140 or a 120tsx.. Wanta anchor a trophy buck with a quickness? Nail him with a 120tsx in the shoulder.. It will bust up both shoulder real bad waaaay farther than most are capible of even shooting.. Only saying this cuz I've been there and done it. Had I not had experience with a 7-08 i never woulda chimed in..
Post by: Salmo on July 07, 2011, 12:29:44 AM
Laffin my a*censored*s of at those that limit the -08 to 250 yds..
Really? I'm glad Pa Ben has more common sense than this, limiting a 12 year old to 250 yards is not only sensable but the responsible thing to do as well. :twocents:
Good for you Pa Ben. :tup:
Really? Any man woman or child that has shot much at all knows that 250yds is a chip shot. With any practice at all and the kill zone elk size game have 250yds becomes even easier....
But if PA BEN knows his kid is not up to a 250yd shot than we all know the shot won't be taken.. My 12yr olds all were able to hammer out excellent groups that would take out elk at that distance.. Trigger time being the key..
Again anyone that thinks the 7-08 is limited to 250yds is laughable.. Funny part is I know grown men that should not shoot anything at 250yds and farther I also know teenagers that can cleanly take game out to 400yds..
JMO, but the biggest problem with hunters today is too many believe critters are bullet proof and that magnums are need to put a critter down.. Hahahaha Hell I'm the perfect example of that. At 6-2 and 235lbs I do not handle recoil well.... I'm far better off killing big game with a 7-08 than using a 30-06 or a 7mag or a 300win mag.. I can put the bullet where is is supposed to go on a more regular basis shooting a cartridge I can handle better..
Next time your at a Sportsman show stop and talk with the guides selling elk hunts.. Most get a sick feeling knowing a client is gonna show up with a magnum.... They rather see guys show up with .308, 270win or-06 rather than guys that show up with .30 mags... Shot placement from a .260, 7-08, 308 trumps any half assed shot from any magnum. PA BENS kid is far better off with a 7-08 than any mag. And with practice why the heck would anyone set a 250yd limit?
Take the kid to the range, set him up and at least give him trigger time to 300yds. You can also develope the load you want him or her to shoot. Then load it down for the kid to practice with.. Come time an elk is standing there he/she will never know.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 07, 2011, 04:25:26 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 07, 2011, 04:30:34 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi443.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fqq156%2FJeffMacey%2FIMG_1872.jpg&hash=ca40e1d6518b5aeb02c5fbb79effc5071d59d9d3)Was this 7mm-08 7mm mag or something else.... This is what I am saying ..Takes practice and knowing how to control breathing and squeezing the trigger and a good load to produce groups like this ...... :tup:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 07, 2011, 04:40:16 AM
This is a personal opinion on Bens part ... longer distance shots takes alttle more practice... being able to hold on the target and no doubt squeezing the trigger 300 yrds is not crap for an experienced marksmen but a kid its a lttle different ...Practice practice and more practiceLaffin my a*censored*s of at those that limit the -08 to 250 yds..
Really? I'm glad Pa Ben has more common sense than this, limiting a 12 year old to 250 yards is not only sensable but the responsible thing to do as well. :twocents:
Good for you Pa Ben. :tup:
Really? Any man woman or child that has shot much at all knows that 250yds is a chip shot. With any practice at all and the kill zone elk size game have 250yds becomes even easier....
But if PA BEN knows his kid is not up to a 250yd shot than we all know the shot won't be taken.. My 12yr olds all were able to hammer out excellent groups that would take out elk at that distance.. Trigger time being the key..
Again anyone that thinks the 7-08 is limited to 250yds is laughable.. Funny part is I know grown men that should not shoot anything at 250yds and farther I also know teenagers that can cleanly take game out to 400yds..
JMO, but the biggest problem with hunters today is too many believe critters are bullet proof and that magnums are need to put a critter down.. Hahahaha Hell I'm the perfect example of that. At 6-2 and 235lbs I do not handle recoil well.... I'm far better off killing big game with a 7-08 than using a 30-06 or a 7mag or a 300win mag.. I can put the bullet where is is supposed to go on a more regular basis shooting a cartridge I can handle better..
Next time your at a Sportsman show stop and talk with the guides selling elk hunts.. Most get a sick feeling knowing a client is gonna show up with a magnum.... They rather see guys show up with .308, 270win or-06 rather than guys that show up with .30 mags... Shot placement from a .260, 7-08, 308 trumps any half assed shot from any magnum. PA BENS kid is far better off with a 7-08 than any mag. And with practice why the heck would anyone set a 250yd limit?
Take the kid to the range, set him up and at least give him trigger time to 300yds. You can also develope the load you want him or her to shoot. Then load it down for the kid to practice with.. Come time an elk is standing there he/she will never know.
Post by: PA BEN on July 07, 2011, 06:10:04 AM
Post by: True Sportsman on July 09, 2011, 05:05:23 PM
A 120 TSX will retain more weight than either the 140 Accubond or the 140 NP which almost always retain the 65% Nosler claims and driven faster will dig deeper. A 120TSX at 3000+fps is one mean sum biatch.. At higher velocitys such as the 7mm mag your givin the ability to push heavier bullets faster and in a 7mag I'd no doubt up the weight.
The original poster was asking about the 7mm-08 which you haven't used on elk so why bring up a 7Mag.. Two different monsters all together..
Energy tables mean alot less to me than velocity.. Velocity is what gives a bullet the ability to expand violently.. A 120tsx will go farther, flatter, faster which means acceptable expansion will happen at farther distance..
I brought up the 7 Mag because I was shooting the same bullets he was asking about.
You should read through your energy tables and trajectory tables more often. If you do, you will realize that small light bullets will go faster out of the muzzle but lose velocity quicker than a heavy bullet with high "sectional density" (look it up). Lighter bullets will also drop quicker at longer range than a heavier bullet going slower.
Light bullets also suffer more from wind drift at longer range. I feel this is the main drawback of the light for caliber bullet. Try shooting a 120 TSX at 400 yds in a 20mph crosswind. I have in the 7 Mag, and at 7mm-08 velocities it will drift even more. This why I suggested, as you did, a middle of the road bullet like a 140 or 150.
PA BEN, it looks like you are on the right track... Your rifle seems to like those bullets.
Post by: PA BEN on July 09, 2011, 05:30:31 PM
first two shots after a spoiler round
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5 shot group
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Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 09, 2011, 06:15:26 PM
Post by: PA BEN on July 10, 2011, 06:17:06 AM
Post by: HighRoad on July 16, 2011, 07:34:46 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi443.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fqq156%2FJeffMacey%2FIMG_1872.jpg&hash=ca40e1d6518b5aeb02c5fbb79effc5071d59d9d3)Was this 7mm-08 7mm mag or something else.... This is what I am saying ..Takes practice and knowing how to control breathing and squeezing the trigger and a good load to produce groups like this ...... :tup:
This was shot from a Rem 700 Classic - 24" barrel. All factory except trigger tuned to 3 lbs crisp. The group was definately shot from a bench. :)
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Post by: C-Money on July 16, 2011, 07:41:03 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 16, 2011, 07:44:05 AM
Post by: D-Rock425 on July 16, 2011, 08:39:04 AM
Post by: HighRoad on July 16, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
I have a sako in 7mm-08 and love that gun. I haven't shot anything but a few bears with it but it puts them in the dirt.
What's your favored bear load for the 7-08?
Post by: PA BEN on July 19, 2011, 05:40:57 AM
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Post by: C-Money on July 19, 2011, 05:47:57 AM
Post by: PA BEN on July 19, 2011, 06:09:46 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 19, 2011, 07:45:08 AM
Post by: PA BEN on July 21, 2011, 06:26:38 AM
Post by: PA BEN on September 06, 2011, 06:26:19 AM
My Ruger M77 7mm, REM. Mag. Stacks 160gr accubonds on top of each other. I use 61.3 grs of RL-19, Mag primer. I found that seating depth on my 7mm-08 is a BIG issue when it comes to accuracy.Without starting and new thread, I tried 140 gr accubonds in my 7mm rem. mag w/65grs of RL19. 1" groups but boy did they kick.