Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Opportunist on June 07, 2008, 11:00:40 AM
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Has anyone used Chinook pass outfitters or Indian Creek outfitters for a drop camp or meat packer in the Bumping unit. I'm putting in for Goose prairie and not sure if I want to deal with the hassle of dragging our hayburners over, besides I only have two and only one is good to pack with the other one needs a bullet.
If you have what was the quality of their stock? How was the business transaction? Did they do what they said they were going to do? Did they check on you like they said they would? I'm a little worried about the meat, this being early bow. Were they proffesonal? Were they flexible on camp location based on YOUR needs?
Any and all info plus overall impression of the outfitter is greatly appreciated!
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I can't tell you anything about those outfitters, but there is a new one that I only know about because of an ad in the back of the hunting regs this year. They are called Rugged Class Outfitters and if you go to their website it says "a division of Chinook Pass Outfitters." Not sure what the deal is but you might try contacting them and see what they might offer. I see on their website there is no mention of drop camps or packing out meat, just fully outfitted/guided hunts. But anyway, here is the website: http://www.ruggedclassoutfitters.com/index.html
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Watched there videos.................lots of guys rifle hunting without orange.....wonder if its in Washington :dunno:
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Thanks Bob, Rugged class works with Chinook pass outfitters. I think they have a deal under Chinook passes wilderness permit. Rugged class only does fully guided hunts with a *censored* trophy fee after the kill, based on the score and it goes up incrementally, 250-280 is one price 281-300 is more and so on. I think for public land animals it is complete *censored*. He lures guys in with a guarantee that if you don't kill you get half off on your hunt. That's a practice that is used on game farms and africa.
Rugged class hunts outside the wilderness. We ran into his parked rigs in the areas I hunted last year on my Peaches hunt. In fact he was half blocking a road with his rig where he had plenty of room to get off the road. I wouldn't of gave much of a *censored* but the road went for another mile or so which is where I was going to jump off.
Ryan Hartley
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Well that's good to know. I surely will never do business with them then, just for the fact that they charge a trophy fee. What B.S.
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the outfitter i work for would never ever consider giving any money back for an unsuccessful hunt. ever! i would shy away from that dude, based on that and what else was said.
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now, he would give a discount for another hunt if the weather was real *censored*ty the whole hunt,, or if the guy was dissatisfied for any real legitamate reason, or if youve hunted with us more than twice.
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Mountian can you send me any info about the outfitter you guide for?
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Another thing I wondered about while reading through information on their website...they mention "ATV travel" and I know of very few places in any of those units where ATV use is legal. There are a couple of trails designated for ATV/jeep use but those aren't places somebody's going to want to go on a guided hunt. So I just have to wonder where is it that they are able to use ATV's. When I drew the Peaches muzzleloader bull tag a few years back I didn't even bring my 4-wheeler over there because I knew there wasn't anywhere I'd be able to legally use it.
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indian summer outfitters, inc,,, darby montana... go to the website, its pretty informative.. please get back to me and let me know what you think of it.
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i may be wrong, but from what i gather, guides and outfitters dont need to be liscensed, insured, or bonded... :bdid:
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If your on national forest land they need to have a land use permit and have to have a master bussiness liscensed and have insurance, bonded is optiional but would reccommend it. I'd ask them if they have any of that. You can't have two affilated bussiness under one land use permit unless the guy who holds the land use permit is owner of both or the partner is named on the land use permit to. I know cause wanting to guide myself for some big game and the forest service is not giving out any land use permits in that area or my own area and not really anywhere in washington. Also call and find who from the forest service inspects their camp.
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my last post, i meant to say,, "in wa"
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i know in montana, the only way your gonna get a f-s permit is if you recieve it from another outfitter in a pre-existing area. no new areas
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Right that is the only way to get a permit. There's a mandate in pretty much every state right now that there is no new permits being issued until the forest service raises the price of the permit as they are based off fair market value for the land. So they are in an internal fight with the u.s. treasure office. There's a couple of sectors of the the forest service that will have some available in 2009, but there's a long list of people wanting them including me.
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im hoping that maybe in 5-7 years, i'll buy joe's outfit
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Yeah that's I wish I could do but not really any big game guides up here, He's the only one that is legit. Ran into some guides that weren't legit.
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It's hard thing do starting a guide and outfitting bus.
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the plus of it, for me anyway, is that joe already has it started and goin,, and he would help me with the detail work. he wants me to succeed. he has been in it for 8-9 years now, so his name is out there.. mr hornseeker, aka ernie, used to cook for the outfit that joe bought it from.. ernie knows where our base camp and stuff is.. small world
im prolly going to stay with joe for as long as it takes.. im on his good side, and i pay attention to all the work, office work and field work
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Sounds like you got a good deal, stick to it and it will pan out. For me it's all about not working for anyone, being my own boss. I've thought and have had some offers to work for outfitts, but. It just one thing that if I do it it's for me and no one else, will only benefit me and my partners, than when my boys old enough too. Good luck to ya.
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know how to pack?
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Snowman and Mountainwalk338, You guys got a bunch of points and like to bowhunt elk! :)
That would solve my dilemna.
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are you suggesting that i accompany you and carry out your very heavy very dead animal? :chuckle: :chuckle:
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Hell I'd help load it up, and you'd get to watch me kill it. Sounds like a good deal. (at least for me)
I can cook dehydrated food real good too.
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And a couple of fifths of Pendleton.
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make it bulleit bourban or famous grouse scotch and it would almost seal it :chuckle:
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Sounds like the main negotiation is over so now it's just the details, like drawing the damn tag. :bash:
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rugged class is legit and have been around since at least 98
they got my dad on 5 bulls in one day during the muzzy bull permit in 98
my dad ended up missing a nice 5x5
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Yeah I know how to pack. I'll be packing in for the high buck hunt this year.
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cool.. im a pretty good hand myself. the only thing im lacking is,, im not much for throwing a diamond hitch.. but thats ok.,mostly its just old timers who use it.. its easy enough to basket hitch most anything.
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Yeah I just have the problem remembering how to tie *censored*. Know the knots just got C.R.S. Syndrome when it comes time to much sh!! on the brains. I'm stooked about going first year I'll have my new horse out.
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bitchin'. there are some times i do love having a horse.. and sometimes its a big pain in the ass. guess the worst thing aobut it is, you always gotta go back to your horse instead of just hunting your way back to camp
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That's why I'm riding him in and he gets to chill around camp. Hoping he ain't to bad we have to pull him away from the wifes horse here in the next week or so, he's getting to herd bound to the wife's mayer. He's a gelding. He should do just fine. Might just have the wife and a friend help me pack in then take them back and then come back and get me.
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I've only seen the Rugged Class brochures at Whistlin' Dicks. Some pretty impressive bulls, but mucho expensive if you kill a real monster.
Does anyone know if that's Gene Morgan's old outfit? I think they were called Grizzly Morgan Outfitters.
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I had Chinook Pass Outfitters take us in on a drop camp last year for my Peaches permit. They did what they said they would do and were there when they said they would be. They did send a rider in to check on us half way through our hunt. The stock was safe and in good condition, Paul and Larry were obvious professionals, they took good care of our meat and I was well satisfied that I got our money's worth.
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I had a friend use them also for drop camp and all worked out well. Just dropped off at designated area and picked up in a week. Seemed cheap to me, under $500 for a bunch of dudes and equipment 2 ways.
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Thanks guy's for the info.
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I'm a long-time friend of Jerry and Robin at Rugged Class. Very experienced and great guys. Send me a PM and we can talk more in detail. I grew up hunting the whole Bumping/Bethel Ridge area as well.
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Thanks guys for the info, but when it came down to crunch time on my apps I went blues first 3 choices then peaches 4th.
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Sorry but I am going to draw Peaches and have Mike show me where the big boys hang out at. If I don't draw Peaches I guess I will draw some of my Master Hunter choices
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Skyvalhunter, Good luck in the draws. I've drawn peaches twice, it's a kick in the ass.
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I haven't been packed in by chinook outfitters but my dad is Larry who twispriver mentioned and they are both good packers who now their stuff. Dad helped Paul last fall and plans to be there again this year I guess. Just don't call their mules horses and let them do their thing and it all works out. nwhunter
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Just don't call their mules horses and let them do their thing and it all works out. nwhunter
Is that like calling a Harley a scooter :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle: I do it all the time :chuckle: :chuckle:
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I'm a long-time friend of Jerry and Robin at Rugged Class. Very experienced and great guys. Send me a PM and we can talk more in detail. I grew up hunting the whole Bumping/Bethel Ridge area as well.
I agree with you they are some fantastic folks to hunt with and just hang out with, Robin is now the owner of Squaw Rock Resort now from what I gather and is really cleaning up the place !!
Good folks !!
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You don't need an outfitter or need to get back in to see bull elk in those areas , it would be nice though. I only hunt a mile in and had a bull tag 2006 and with my marginal calling skills, I called in 5 or 6 bulls on various days. First time being that close and in those situations so needless to say I didn't close the deal. I saw some very quality bulls with the smallest called in being a small 5x5, while the biggest was a huge 6x6 with mass. I hiked in 8 miles scouting last year and found very little sign, so I went back to my old digs closer in. They are in pockets and smart. Once I called them in and they didn't see another bull, even if I didn't spook or get winded, I didn't call them in again. Never saw the same bull twice. The next time I draw I will be very excited.
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I'm a long-time friend of Jerry and Robin at Rugged Class. Very experienced and great guys. Send me a PM and we can talk more in detail. I grew up hunting the whole Bumping/Bethel Ridge area as well.
I agree with you they are some fantastic folks to hunt with and just hang out with, Robin is now the owner of Squaw Rock Resort now from what I gather and is really cleaning up the place !!
Good folks !!
Squaw Rock has done a one eighty, that place is packed every weekend. I thought that place was going to go out of business when those indians owned it. Its nice that they added a deer and elk cooler too.
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Have hunted and been with Robin and Jerry a few times and they are great down to earth guys! They both know there stuff when it comes to calling elk! Haven't been over to see squaw rock yet, but have heard he has fixed it up pretty nice. The cooler will be a great addition, there has always been one there, just think it went un noticed. Have they put in a new one? Hopefully I'll be back over there come October 1st!!!! :chuckle:
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Yes, Robin is the owner and he has poured a lot of cash, heart, and soul into making it a top notch outfit, and very comfortable. I have not been over to see him lately, but knowing Robin it's will be very nice. He spares no expense when it comes to doing things right.
Those guys work their tails off for their clients. I've known them many years and shared a number of personal hunts with them long before they started guiding permit holders. Back then, they had nothing to gain but enjoyment of the hunt. That has not changed, and they bring that passion to their clients in hopes to get them an opportunity at the bull of a lifetime.
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Yeah Squaw rock has changed drastically (for the better) and Wally does an excellent job in the kitchen, (great food) Bring them over some smoked steelhead or halibut steaks they love that !! Stayed at Squaw Rock a couple times and it is a great place and very friendly folks !!
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Yeah Squaw rock has changed drastically (for the better) and Wally does an excellent job in the kitchen, (great food) Bring them over some smoked steelhead or halibut steaks they love that !! Stayed at Squaw Rock a couple times and it is a great place and very friendly folks !!
I agree, place looks 100 percent better than it used to. I go down there to eat breakfast every once in a while when I am up at the family cabin. Gold Creek also has some really good food at least for dinner, never eaten breakfast there.
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Last time I was at Squaw Rock was going on 30 something years ago!
My brother had gotten lost on the Greenwater side of the mountains (Government Meadows). He wound up on a logging road on the Bumping side and it was getting dark. He was about 16 or so. He found a logging camp belonging to the owner of Seattle Slew, the race horse. He "borrowed" a water truck that had the keys under the visor and drove it out of there. When he got to the highway, he asked for directions back to Enumlcla, and they told him to go left instead of right. He drove down the road for a bit when the driveline fell out. He walked back to Squaw Rock and called the police to tell them that his dad and brother were lost. :chuckle:
The family that owned the place back them took him in and he stayed there while dad and I drove all the way around in the middle of a blizzard. The family let us stay the night with them and in the morning, they had errands to run, so they just left us, total strangers, in their home alone. It was amazing the generousity of these people. We cleaned there house for them and left them some money for groceries that we may have eaten.
We sent cards on holidays for years to each other, then they just disappeared.
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We stay at Squaw Rock 2-3 times per Summer. We actually just got back last night from 4 days there. The resort was full,with the majority of the campers pulling Jeeps.
Had dinner at the restaraunt on Thursday Night,they make a good pizza. :drool:
The West end of the resort is looking good,but the East end still needs some work. There are a bunch of broken down hoopties that have been there awhile. The ratty old mobile homes could use a facelift as well.
Overall,the resort is on the right track.
