Post by: chrisb on June 19, 2011, 08:27:37 PM
Here is the spec sheet:
http://ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeLaminateCompact/specSheets/17110.html (http://ruger.com/products/m77HawkeyeLaminateCompact/specSheets/17110.html)
BTW I won't pay $900 for that rifle i'm thinking more in the $500 - $600 range w/o optics
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on June 19, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
The Triggers can be pretty heavy, but can be fixed up easily to whatever set you want. I kept mine factory because I can shoot it fine with a little extra weight and am too cheap to work on it! :)
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on June 19, 2011, 08:52:12 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on June 19, 2011, 09:07:21 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on June 19, 2011, 09:17:09 PM
Post by: YellowDog on June 19, 2011, 09:18:57 PM
My dad has an old M77 in 30-06 that he bought in 1972 that is a sweet gun too.
I have several other rifles from different manufacturers (Remington 700's mostly) and have shot a lot of different guns from different manufacturers. I really like the Tikka's but I love my Rugers. There are a lot of good rifles out there for a decent price and I prefer Rugers but there it is mostly a matter of preference. I would like to have one of those Hawkeyes in a 7mm-08 but haven't "justified" it yet.
Post by: Miles on June 19, 2011, 09:48:34 PM
Post by: C-Money on June 19, 2011, 09:58:03 PM
Post by: Miles on June 19, 2011, 10:04:13 PM
They can be "made" in to nice rifles, so if you want a fixer upper go for it. If you want a great out of the box rifle, look elsewhere.
My father has a .257 Roberts in M77 with the tang safety and it's a great gun, but it's spent a lot of time getting worked on to get to where it's at now...
Post by: marty on June 19, 2011, 10:05:48 PM
Post by: sebek556 on June 19, 2011, 10:14:05 PM
Post by: uplandhunter870 on June 19, 2011, 11:03:10 PM
Post by: Tim on June 20, 2011, 06:39:05 AM
Post by: headshot5 on June 20, 2011, 06:46:59 AM
Post by: Miles on June 20, 2011, 07:31:13 AM
Rugers are great but a bit on the heavy side,you should look into Savage as well
The M77 MKII ultralight is right around 6 1/2 lbs. :dunno: It's the one with the black forend.
I had to mess around with mine as the stock was putting pressure on the barrel at different points and not helping the accuracy at all. For me I'd just rather stick with the Tikka. They have good triggers (easily adjustable), are light, have a floated barrel, and shoot great. Why buy a Ruger and then have to dick with it to get it to where it should be?
Post by: chrisb on June 20, 2011, 09:45:27 AM
Post by: Jellymon on June 20, 2011, 10:34:25 AM
Post by: haugenna on June 20, 2011, 10:48:34 AM
Ruger's are not known for their accuracy. A good shooting ruger is an exception rather than the norm.
Post by: gunnarnewt on June 20, 2011, 10:50:06 AM
Post by: Miles on June 20, 2011, 11:00:54 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-59127.html (http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-59127.html)
Post by: rainshadow1 on June 20, 2011, 11:07:07 AM
Post by: runamuk on June 20, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
The little shorty laminate is an awesome gun they feel nice but the laminate is heavy compared to the standard wood stock I have wanted a compact in 243 for a while now and maybe someday....
Post by: Emptyhanded on June 20, 2011, 11:19:02 AM
Another option would be a Remington Model 7. They are compact and handle really well. My brothers got one in 7mm-08 and i had one in .243 a few years ago. Both are good shooters. Down side is they are fairly expensive from what i remember. Not sure what the price on them is now though.
Post by: Curly on June 20, 2011, 11:26:23 AM
Post by: Alchase on June 20, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Here's a thread about Rugers. They are discussing the triggers, and drum roll please.....accuracy problems. ;)
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-59127.html (http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-59127.html)
More then 2/3 of the posts in the thread were praising the accuracy of the Rugers, lol.
Give me a couple minutes and I could post links to problems with every major manufacturer.
I do own a M77 MK II, in 7 mm mag, it has an awesome three position safety. I could never understand why you would want to put a weapon in battery, just to unload it like most manufacturers were doing back then. It it held up to 20 years of some very brutal use. Before I replaced it as my go to rifle with my Sako, 300 win mag. I am not easy on my weapons. Besides a few scratches in the beautiful wood stock, the gun still shoots incredibly. Ruger is no better and no worse then any of the big manufacturers. They all have their own idiosyncrasies that you have to deal with.
I have seen some horrible weapons produced by every manufacturer. Those were the exceptions though.
Post by: Miles on June 20, 2011, 01:11:04 PM
Here's a thread about Rugers. They are discussing the triggers, and drum roll please.....accuracy problems. ;)
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-59127.html (http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-59127.html)
More then 2/3 of the posts in the thread were praising the accuracy of the Rugers, lol.
And 1/3 were not. ;) There are numerous threads about Rugers and their accuracy issues...there is/was a problem. I've experienced the problem and it left a bad taste in my mouth with regards to Rugers.
Post by: Curly on June 20, 2011, 02:34:41 PM
Browning X-bolt micro hunter might be worth checking into also. 20" barrel and 6lb 2oz.
Post by: mebco09 on June 20, 2011, 03:18:01 PM
I read something a while back about excessive barrel whip in the ruger lightweight barrels effecting accuracy, however I also read that in order to keep costs down, ruger made the determination that MOA accuracy was not what their rifles were engineered for, thus some variation in point-of-impact is considered "in-spec" for their hunting rifles.
They are really the "chevrolet" of rifles: good enough to get the job done and within the budget of most guys...also, American made. I enjoy hunting with mine.
Post by: jackmaster on June 20, 2011, 03:29:22 PM
Post by: chrisb on June 20, 2011, 04:18:36 PM
They are really the "chevrolet" of rifles: good enough to get the job done and within the budget of most guys...also, American made. I enjoy hunting with mine.
While I don't think it's acceptable to ever own a Chevy, I see what you're getting at here. :)
This is actually the purpose for the purchase, a hunting rifle that shoots MOC (minute of critter) not to shoot sub MOA at 500+ yds. Also keeping in mind that my "home" hunting range lacks area for shots beyond 150-200 yds anyway the 16.5" barrel seemed perfect to me.
I've looked into the Tikka's based on the overwhelming responses as well and they aren't bad, just a little longer than i had in mind but I'll keep them in the plans as well when i get a chance to head out shopping.
Post by: Bofire on June 20, 2011, 06:19:31 PM
The ONE thing a rifle must do is put the first round in the X. There is nothing else that counts.
my 2
Carl
Post by: addicted on June 21, 2011, 02:19:37 AM
I shot a couple rugers. nothing to catch my eye other than their 10/22 and MK I II III 22 pistols.
Quote from: forum=topic=78258.msg964338#msg964338 date=1308619171
Remingtons are hit, and miss, you have too buy several to get a good one, or spend a bunch of money building one. Savage rifles are said to shoot well, but I do not care enough to find out myself. Rugers I have spent a ton of money on, and have decided they are still just a waste of money, unless you absolutely do not give a *censored*. Right now, I am thinking that If my grandmother was here, she would be lecturing me about how there are poor people in Africa, that would just love to have a Ruger, I would just say "Great, granny, lets just ship all the Rugers to Africa!"
Post by: Miles on June 21, 2011, 03:04:22 AM
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Miles on June 21, 2011, 03:11:31 AM
Post by: RadSav on June 21, 2011, 04:16:13 AM
I was at Cabela's on Fathers Day and they had the new Ultra Light Savage in 308. It and the Rem. Mod 7 would be my recommendation now that the RL is no longer available. Both very much like the Ruger M77RL/Ultra Light. Longer barrel (20" in 308 Win) yet still very light.
Attached picture of the wifes 2010 blacktail. We honestly could not get any closer than 454 yards from him and have a shot. The little Ruger .257 Rob. M77RL/UltraLight made quick work of him. Two days later I took her gun to Canada and killed a nice Whitetail that didn't take a step after his heart exploded.
I had planned to get myself one until I heard they are no longer made. Will probably try Savage for mine unless I can find a nice used RL.
Post by: addicted on June 21, 2011, 04:55:45 AM
Give me an address and mine is in the mail... :chuckle:
i didnt think you'd stay away ;)
Post by: Eli346 on June 21, 2011, 05:02:14 AM
Post by: addicted on June 21, 2011, 05:07:06 AM
We have had very good luck with the Rugers both personally and while guiding. That said the 16.5" barrel in 308 Win. is way too short for my taste - Too much muzzle flash at dusk and poor accuracy when I tried it. Ruger really screwed the pooch in my opinion when they decided to discontinue the Ultra Light. It was a shooter and just barely more weight.
I was at Cabela's on Fathers Day and they had the new Ultra Light Savage in 308. It and the Rem. Mod 7 would be my recommendation now that the RL is no longer available. Both very much like the Ruger M77RL/Ultra Light. Longer barrel (20" in 308 Win) yet still very light.
Attached picture of the wifes 2010 blacktail. We honestly could not get any closer than 454 yards from him and have a shot. The little Ruger .257 Rob. M77RL/UltraLight made quick work of him. Two days later I took her gun to Canada and killed a nice Whitetail that didn't take a step after his heart exploded.
I had planned to get myself one until I heard they are no longer made. Will probably try Savage for mine unless I can find a nice used RL.
that black tail is a hog. your wife must be quite the shot.
Post by: Miles on June 21, 2011, 06:36:13 AM
Give me an address and mine is in the mail... :chuckle:
i didnt think you'd stay away ;)
I couldn't stay out of an important thread like this. If I can save just one person the headache of owning a Ruger it's worth it. :chuckle: Seriously though...
Post by: chrisb on June 21, 2011, 08:25:43 AM
Give me an address and mine is in the mail... :chuckle:
I'm not in Africa but I'll take your Ruger if you're giving it away.
OK so with the mixed bag of responses i just need to go and see for myself. Cabelas is to far for me so who has a gun shop recommendation on the north end?
Post by: Curly on June 21, 2011, 08:43:41 AM
IMO that Ruger compact barrel is just too short. Just a personal preference though, maybe it is just what you need, but I'd prefer a lever gun over that Ruger compact myself. Just my :twocents:
Is Kesselrings too far away?
4024 Old Highway 99 North Rd
Burlington, WA 98233
(360) 724-3113
Post by: chrisb on June 21, 2011, 09:04:38 AM
Post by: addicted on June 21, 2011, 09:58:11 AM
Post by: RadSav on June 21, 2011, 10:06:30 AM
Post by: addicted on June 21, 2011, 10:32:43 AM
Addicted - So she's a better shot than I am. Let's not talk about that :'(. I'm pretty sure it was all in the gun. That's my story and I'm sticking to hit :rolleyes:.
my wife always out shoots me on the bench. she'll put together 3 leaf clovers with her CZ 30.06 all day long so i feel ya.
Post by: mebco09 on June 21, 2011, 03:48:21 PM
OK so with the mixed bag of responses i just need to go and see for myself. Cabelas is to far for me so who has a gun shop recommendation on the north end?
Try DJs Pawn in downtown Bothell. They have a nice selection of both new and used guns. The place is a little different, like the old gun shops, with a lot of old timers hanging out, probably not the cheapest, but they have gunsmiths and can mount up your scope, install custom triggers etc. They might be 10% higher than Wal-mart, but they make it up in free services that the clowns at the chain stores can't offer.
Post by: Curly on June 21, 2011, 03:50:35 PM
OK so with the mixed bag of responses i just need to go and see for myself. Cabelas is to far for me so who has a gun shop recommendation on the north end?
Try DJs Pawn in downtown Bothell. They have a nice selection of both new and used guns. The place is a little different, like the old gun shops, with a lot of old timers hanging out, probably not the cheapest, but they have gunsmiths and can mount up your scope, install custom triggers etc. They might be 10% higher than Wal-mart, but they make it up in free services that the clowns at the chain stores can't offer.
That is a good idea because if you get a Ruger you're going to want a gunsmith to work on the trigger and bed the stock....... ;) :) :sry:
Post by: chrisb on June 21, 2011, 04:24:55 PM
Post by: FC on June 21, 2011, 11:07:15 PM
That is a good idea because if you get a Ruger you're going to want a gunsmith to work on the trigger and bed the stock....... ;) :) :sry:
The painful truth there!
Post by: Alchase on June 22, 2011, 08:59:15 AM
That is a good idea because if you get a Ruger you're going to want a gunsmith to work on the trigger and bed the stock....... ;) :) :sry:
The painful truth there!
Or Remington safeties, Winchester feed issues, Savage quality control :dunno:
The list could go on and on. What's the point? All manufacturers have issues, yet all have good shooters, or I should also say, can be made into good shooters.
Post by: Scottystyle on June 22, 2011, 10:05:38 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on June 22, 2011, 10:17:31 AM
I would call myself an average shot. I think the gun shoots more accurately than I can. I have no plans to get rid of the gun and do not regret my purchase. :twocents:
Post by: piledup on June 22, 2011, 10:49:13 AM
Post by: FC on June 22, 2011, 02:37:23 PM
Savage quality control :dunno:
Savage has quality control issues? Crappy basic synthetic stocks I'll go with, the edge/axis rifles seem to have a much better stock even. What QC issues have you seen?
Post by: ing on June 22, 2011, 05:42:33 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 22, 2011, 05:48:52 PM
Post by: SkookumHntr on June 22, 2011, 06:10:52 PM
Get the Ruger and rock on! I've got 2 old tanger's in the safe, 6MM, and a 300 Win, both great guns. My bro and his boys have 3 or 4 Hawkeyes, no bedding or trigger work needed.. ALL the Hawkeyes will shoot with folks beloved plastic tikkas...-Wanta sell the 6mm :dunno:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on June 22, 2011, 06:37:12 PM
Post by: RadSav on June 22, 2011, 07:26:08 PM
As I mentioned earlier I do believe the "Compact" has too short a barrel for the hunter shooting a .308 Win round. That is why I recommended the now disc. Ultralight, Rem. Mod 7 or the Savage. They too will have the same issues unless you find a complete gem which is rare. But, don't get distracted! They are all great meat rifles.
Post by: chrisb on July 18, 2011, 04:14:03 PM
Once i have them all in hand and get some range time i'll start a new thread with my thoughts and such.
Post by: RadSav on July 18, 2011, 06:18:29 PM
Post by: elkslayer069 on July 18, 2011, 11:03:40 PM
Post by: addicted on July 19, 2011, 03:00:39 AM
Post by: chrisb on July 19, 2011, 08:14:56 AM
Any advice on proper break in procedure?
Post by: addicted on July 19, 2011, 10:00:58 AM
just go with whatever the manufacturer recomends so that if it doesnt shoot well they won't say it was your fault.
Post by: chrisb on July 19, 2011, 11:13:59 AM
Post by: addicted on July 19, 2011, 08:02:24 PM
Post by: chrisb on July 20, 2011, 08:27:16 AM
Post by: Miles on July 20, 2011, 08:37:04 AM
Any advice on proper break in procedure?
Ask, and you shall receive.
Proper Barrel Break-in Procedure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRRahHX9Zkg#)
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 20, 2011, 08:44:56 AM
Yes. Part of my current strategy/way of thinking is to not have fewer guns just fewer calibers
From the reloading standpoint... I have one press that well, change a die for 45acp, 243, 270, 30-06... No need to change the shell holder as they all use the same one! :chuckle:
-Steve
Post by: addicted on July 20, 2011, 08:49:00 AM
Any advice on proper break in procedure?
Ask, and you shall receive.
Proper Barrel Break-in Procedure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRRahHX9Zkg#)
classic.
Post by: chrisb on July 20, 2011, 10:37:27 AM
Yes. Part of my current strategy/way of thinking is to not have fewer guns just fewer calibers
From the reloading standpoint... I have one press that well, change a die for 45acp, 243, 270, 30-06... No need to change the shell holder as they all use the same one! :chuckle:
-Steve
At this point i do not have the time, energy, or funds to get started in reloading. Come to think of it I also don't have the workbench room.
Post by: SkookumJeff on August 03, 2011, 08:37:21 PM
Wish I'd of known bout the bull barrels, mine ARE all cow barrels. Dang! Now I know better...
rofl....
Skook.
Post by: chrisb on August 24, 2011, 07:52:30 PM
Howa 1500 Ranchland in .308 with the OD green Hogue overmolded stock.
20" barrel
1.5-4.5 x32mm Burris
Overall love this gun. Shoots great, carries great, fits me right, just wish it had iron sights or at least a way to add a front sight as i could add one easily to the rail mount.
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Post by: addicted on August 25, 2011, 02:09:15 AM
Ok so here is what I went with.
Howa 1500 Ranchland in .308 with the OD green Hogue overmolded stock.
20" barrel
1.5-4.5 x32mm Burris
Overall love this gun. Shoots great, carries great, fits me right, just wish it had iron sights or at least a way to add a front sight as i could add one easily to the rail mount.
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somebody chopped off a dogs foot and left it on your floor? that will teach him to $hit on the rug.
Nice looking set up.