Post by: hawksfan75 on July 05, 2011, 04:26:05 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015516994_wolves06m.html)
I wonder if this means more, smaller packs or if the numbers are going up that fast?
Post by: trophyhunt on July 05, 2011, 04:39:19 PM
Post by: boneaddict on July 05, 2011, 04:45:55 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 05, 2011, 04:50:53 PM
Post by: runamuk on July 05, 2011, 04:51:47 PM
Post by: YellowDog on July 05, 2011, 04:52:38 PM
I wonder how many people on here scoffed at me when I said they were there over a year ago(hell, might ahve been two years ago now). WITH collars on no less. Wow, glad to see they came out of the closet on this one. NEXT........I am not one of the non-believers. I believe there have been wolves (at least passing through) the Nile and all the way down into Goldendale based on tracks and scat that I have seen the past few years.
Post by: Dan-o on July 05, 2011, 05:39:16 PM
I just wouldn't have thought that a pack could hide very effectively that close to civilization. I would have thought that a deer hunter would have popped one over there and word would have gotten out.
I've never called BS on anyone that said wolves were in any given place, but I've always had my doubts. Now I guess I know.
Bad day for the Teanaway......
Post by: steen on July 05, 2011, 05:45:16 PM
Post by: Glockster on July 05, 2011, 05:51:35 PM
Now there are reinforcements backed by agenda on the front porch of the state's largest elk herds. Isn't it kind of weird how Conservation NW and WDFW seem to have trail cams and other methods of "proof" set up every place where these "new" wolf packs are being sighted?
It's big news if you care about elk hunting.
Post by: mulehunter on July 05, 2011, 05:54:37 PM
http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2011/jul/06/wolf-pack-slips-into-teanaway/ (http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2011/jul/06/wolf-pack-slips-into-teanaway/)
Mulehunter.
Post by: videoman on July 05, 2011, 06:36:37 PM
Post by: gasman on July 05, 2011, 06:39:26 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on July 05, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
Post by: colockumelk on July 05, 2011, 08:52:37 PM
Post by: boneaddict on July 05, 2011, 09:01:37 PM
They have mostly been in lower elevations Clock, mostly in the Clock as of late.
Post by: mulehunter on July 05, 2011, 09:09:08 PM
I had planned on hunting the Alpine Wilderness area for elk for elk and deer this September. Can anyone tell me how far away these Wolves are from Tuquala Lake and Fish Lake area? This is horrible that there are Wolves there. How the heck did the wolves jump that far. From the Spokane area half way across the state to the Teannaway??
Probablly 10-20 miles from ur spot going south. Maybe West from Blwette pass. What I see in this picture and it can't be stare at alpine wilderness. I believe trailcamera stare over to manastash because pic on right side more white possible west and pic on left look like east or stared over to above Easton from somewhere twentynine pine way top of hill somewhere.. Possible travel down to low tennaway drainage when pups getting bigger. Mother will show them where Elk herds down there. :bash:
Mulehunter.
Post by: benhuntin on July 05, 2011, 09:40:15 PM
Post by: Kain on July 05, 2011, 09:47:50 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150238681626761&set=a.390652606760.166104.385127436760&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150238681626761&set=a.390652606760.166104.385127436760&type=1&theater)
Post by: Widgeondeke on July 05, 2011, 10:09:15 PM
For those of you that have Facebook make sure you leave a comment on the WDFW page.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150238681626761&set=a.390652606760.166104.385127436760&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150238681626761&set=a.390652606760.166104.385127436760&type=1&theater)
Thanks Kain. I left my thoughts.
When did they start the WFW FB page? I looked last year, but couldn't find.
Post by: sebek556 on July 05, 2011, 10:39:46 PM
Post by: demontang on July 06, 2011, 07:23:26 AM
Post by: Alchase on July 06, 2011, 07:44:17 AM
http://www.i90wildlifebridges.org/monitoring.htm (http://www.i90wildlifebridges.org/monitoring.htm)
From the WDFW release:
Images of wolf-like animals were captured on cameras placed in the area by Conservation Northwest, a private, non-profit organization. The group's Citizen Wildlife Monitoring Program also provided the first images of the Lookout Pack pups three years ago.
Obviously if she was collared, they have known about this pack for a long time. They trapped her and collared her. Have to wonder how many more are they sitting on "waiting" for DNA, trapping and collaring, before they call them "a pack"
Post by: colockumelk on July 06, 2011, 07:55:40 AM
From the back of a truck. :yike: :yike: Wow how scary is that. So I have a question. If a "non-profit" organization put them there then they are technically not an animal owned by the state right??? So someone could shoot it without any legal repercussions right??? Kind of like if I released my dogs into the wild??? Just saying :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on July 06, 2011, 08:23:29 AM
According to their website
Post by: Machias on July 06, 2011, 08:30:45 AM
The "nonprofit" put out the camera, and supposedly helps in tracking.
According to their website
Very suspisious if you ask me. This nonprofit group just happens to know and photograph two seperate packs....wow they are really good!!! :bs:
Post by: 724wd on July 06, 2011, 08:42:01 AM
somehow that seems about right...
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on July 06, 2011, 08:44:19 AM
has the WDFW disabled comments on the FB page? i logged in to give them a piece of my mind and there is not comment button? :dunno:
somehow that seems about right...
click on "like" then you can comment
Post by: seth30 on July 06, 2011, 09:02:22 AM
:yeah: :yeah:The "nonprofit" put out the camera, and supposedly helps in tracking.
According to their website
Very suspisious if you ask me. This nonprofit group just happens to know and photograph two seperate packs....wow they are really good!!! :bs:
Post by: pope on July 06, 2011, 09:13:17 AM
They trapped her and collared her. Have to wonder how many more are they sitting on "waiting" for DNA, trapping and collaring, before they call them "a pack"
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cascadeclimbers.com%2Fplab%2Fdata%2F500%2Fmedium%2FFLHR11_152rotcrop1.jpg&hash=de1a62c2a6131f728c17277ce5cadb1cb1c7ecdf)
Post by: 724wd on July 06, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
click on "like" then you can comment
but i DON'T LIKE! :chuckle:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on July 06, 2011, 10:21:40 AM
Post by: mulehunter on July 06, 2011, 10:25:08 AM
Mulehunter. :(
Post by: mulehunter on July 06, 2011, 11:15:34 AM
:yeah: :yeah:The "nonprofit" put out the camera, and supposedly helps in tracking.
According to their website
Very suspisious if you ask me. This nonprofit group just happens to know and photograph two seperate packs....wow they are really good!!! :bs:
Another Trailcamera by someone Near Tenannway By Liberty, Look like possible Same Wolf as Tenannway Pack, I may be Wrong. I wouldnt post any stranger Pics. I took Pic out from Local News yesterday and save it on H-W so every one deserve to know what truth out there.
Mulehunter
Post by: dreamingbig on July 06, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Not falling for that crap of :liar:
Post by: 724wd on July 06, 2011, 11:46:07 AM
Not the thread... but the WDFW page...
BUT I DON'T LIKE THEM, EITHER! :chuckle:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on July 06, 2011, 01:07:57 PM
Not the thread... but the WDFW page...
BUT I DON'T LIKE THEM, EITHER! :chuckle:
LOL Good point!
Post by: Sporting_Man on July 06, 2011, 01:39:02 PM
Comes August and everybody is coming up the hills with their Fido, picking berries, camping, hiking, whatever. Dogs get infected easily... The rest is a horror story. :yike:
Post by: dreamingbig on July 06, 2011, 02:09:52 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 06, 2011, 02:26:25 PM
So if the wolves aren't the WDFW's then I guess they won't care when they go missing. Aim small, miss small.
The fed's will still care and I'd worry more about them than WDFW.
Post by: Kowsrule30 on July 06, 2011, 03:11:25 PM
Post by: colockumelk on July 06, 2011, 03:46:46 PM
Post by: teal101 on July 06, 2011, 04:19:36 PM
Post by: turbo on July 06, 2011, 04:35:45 PM
It's time to do some research on radio collars, it's just telemetry, it can't be hard. If they can track them, we can track them. We need an app for our Rhinos..
Post by: boneaddict on July 06, 2011, 05:00:13 PM
Post by: UBA on July 06, 2011, 08:05:41 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 06, 2011, 08:25:27 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on July 06, 2011, 08:56:09 PM
Speaking of tribal laws, I was surprised to see that the Colvilles have it in regs that they can't shoot them. I doubt they enforce it, but still......talked to one of my buds from up there, he said they are protected because some of the rule makers wants them there. they've been spotted a couple times but if they get set up they wont last long... i know that for a fact.
Post by: danderson on July 06, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
Post by: scudmaster on July 07, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
Post by: Dave Workman on July 07, 2011, 08:19:59 AM
This week’s announcement of a new wolf pack in the Teanaway region of Washington’s central Cascades has left the state’s hunting community suspicious, about the timing and especially about the origin of these predators and how they were discovered.
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/wa-hunters-questioning-origins-of-teanaway-wolves (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/wa-hunters-questioning-origins-of-teanaway-wolves)
Post by: Curly on July 07, 2011, 08:32:40 AM
Post by: gasman on July 07, 2011, 08:36:11 AM
Post by: Machias on July 07, 2011, 08:42:23 AM
Post by: Cougeyes on July 07, 2011, 08:51:13 AM
Post by: huntindork on July 07, 2011, 09:16:51 AM
In regards to the indians, can they shoot them legally? Well without getting prosecuted like the rest of us anyhow? Maybe we can pay a couple of them to do some high velocity impact studies?
Post by: colockumelk on July 07, 2011, 09:43:42 AM
Post by: colockumelk on July 07, 2011, 09:49:00 AM
I think if someone smoked these wolves 1.) Its highly doubtfull that they would get caught if they shot it and immediately walked and kept their mouth shut. But 2.) And here's the most important part..... If they did get caught I don't think that the state could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that those wolves were not planted by a private organization illegally. I think that they guy or gal would walk away free. Just my :twocents:
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 07, 2011, 10:06:49 AM
After doing some talking with some sources this pack is located pretty low in the teanaway. Just knowing what i know, i definately think the liberty sighting is the same pack for sure.
In regards to the indians, can they shoot them legally? Well without getting prosecuted like the rest of us anyhow? Maybe we can pay a couple of them to do some high velocity impact studies?
They are still protected animals under Federal Jurisdiction and since Tribes are bound under Federal Law then we can't shoot them. Just like the sea lions down on the Columbia. I don't like wolves one bit and I've stated on here before I had a run in with them one I was younger when they were stalking I and my family while gathering roots. And I seen one just east of Mt. Adams standing near the roadway last summer and by the time I pulled out my "camera" he was already gone.
Post by: PlateauNDN on July 07, 2011, 10:12:12 AM
Post by: Cougeyes on July 07, 2011, 10:30:21 AM
Post by: Kain on July 07, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
There is just to much money in protecting wolves for them to have any incentive to call them recovered.
http://www.pacificbio.org/initiatives/ESIN/Mammals/GrayWolf/graywolfpg.html (http://www.pacificbio.org/initiatives/ESIN/Mammals/GrayWolf/graywolfpg.html)
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pacificbio.org%2Finitiatives%2FESIN%2FMapImages%2Fgraywolf.jpg&hash=4d601a3524e8253b18e8d73a6893338050ef1441)
There is no money in wolves that are already recovered.
News bulletin from 98
http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release.php?id=oct1698a (http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release.php?id=oct1698a)
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Research studies earlier this decade indicated that wolves had reappeared in the North Cascades. A federal proposal to reintroduce wolves to the Olympic National Park is also being studied.
Post by: UBA on July 07, 2011, 03:40:46 PM
Post by: Kowsrule30 on July 07, 2011, 05:00:07 PM
Speaking of tribal laws, I was surprised to see that the Colvilles have it in regs that they can't shoot them. I doubt they enforce it, but still......
I hunt with a big group of Colvilles during ML elk....... Great guys they are..... They don't speak much about the wolfs.... But let me know enough that they are taken care of properly..... :tup:
Post by: boneaddict on July 07, 2011, 06:27:02 PM
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just that no one has reported them or no one is actively looking for them
LOL
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 07, 2011, 06:28:06 PM
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Post by: fishunt247 on July 07, 2011, 09:57:08 PM
Post by: UBA on July 08, 2011, 12:26:53 PM
This is a truly sad issue. Having known the Teanaway since 2007 when I moved to Ellensburg, this is disheartening at best. Since a great number of the Teanaway deer and elk herd winter lower in the drainage near farms, houses, and towns like Cle Elum and Liberty, I don't suspect it will be long that until these sightings become frequent. Once a person gets hurt or killed (though it is terrible that the wolf issue may come to that), we as hunters may see a favorable turn in wolf legislation. Until then, we can only hope that one or two of the rifle shots during the modern season are not aimed at a deer or elk.
Yep yep
Post by: dreamingbig on July 08, 2011, 12:32:38 PM
The fed's will still care and I'd worry more about them than WDFW.
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Thanks. Not worried.
Post by: pjmcbride on July 19, 2011, 09:53:47 PM
I wonder how many people on here scoffed at me when I said they were there over a year ago(hell, might ahve been two years ago now). WITH collars on no less. Wow, glad to see they came out of the closet on this one. NEXT........i remember when you said they were there .sorry about the dout ...... :ass:
Post by: danderson on July 23, 2011, 06:59:48 AM
Post by: hunterlady on July 23, 2011, 07:58:06 AM
Like it or not...they are here!
Post by: elkcane on July 26, 2011, 08:58:37 AM
Post by: CedarPants on July 26, 2011, 09:57:53 AM
article also noted that dna tests on the female collared this year was probally from the look-out pack.
I just now caught this - do you happen to have a link to this article by chance? Would be very interesting if they did in fact confirm this ....
Post by: halflife65 on July 26, 2011, 10:27:31 AM
I am surprised to see that the map shows no sightings of wolves in the Southeast corner of the state. I have seen track in the Tuccannon and have talked to several people who live and work in the Blues who have seen them. I have observed wolves numerous times in Yellowstone and have even followed a pack after watching them kill a calf elk....so I know what their tracks look like.
Like it or not...they are here!
Map was from '98. I think that wolves have moved in there now (or no one reported them before '98, which may have been the case). When did you see the tracks in the Tuccannon?
Post by: CedarPants on July 26, 2011, 11:12:35 AM
From the article: "Last month, the state’s fourth documented pack—dubbed the Teanaway Pack— was confirmed in Kittitas County. DNA analysis of that pack’s adult female wolf indicated she is likely a recent descendant of the Lookout Pack".
Maybe I'm slow in hearing about this, but that certainly is very interesting news in my opinion
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on July 26, 2011, 12:07:35 PM
http://www.wolfcountry.net/information/WolfSpecies/north_america.html (http://www.wolfcountry.net/information/WolfSpecies/north_america.html)
Post by: grundy53 on July 26, 2011, 02:54:21 PM
http://bearinfo.org/wolves/fifth-washington-wolf-pack-confirmed/ (http://bearinfo.org/wolves/fifth-washington-wolf-pack-confirmed/)
From the article: "Last month, the state’s fourth documented pack—dubbed the Teanaway Pack— was confirmed in Kittitas County. DNA analysis of that pack’s adult female wolf indicated she is likely a recent descendant of the Lookout Pack".
Maybe I'm slow in hearing about this, but that certainly is very interesting news in my opinion
Well that explains what happened to the lookout pack. Most of them probably split off to form their own packs. So I guess everyone blaming it on poachers can apologize for slandering hunters as a whole.
Post by: CedarPants on July 26, 2011, 03:10:04 PM
I know there will still be those that will refuse to believe these wolves found their own way into Teanaway and will suggest that they were just trucked in from Lookout.
My personal belief is that these animals have been here, they are now growing in numbers, and they are dispersing at an astounding (and alarming) rate and range.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 26, 2011, 03:20:50 PM
Grundy - exactly. That and it shows the dispersal capability of these animals.+1 The WDFW is spending some time looking and the wolves are moving in quickly. I suspect they'll be finding packs left and right for a little while.
I know there will still be those that will refuse to believe these wolves found their own way into Teanaway and will suggest that they were just trucked in from Lookout.
My personal belief is that these animals have been here, they are now growing in numbers, and they are dispersing at an astounding (and alarming) rate and range.
Post by: CedarPants on July 26, 2011, 03:24:04 PM
Still, I don't see this as any sort of proof of some sort of grand conspiracy. Look at the Smackout pack - they collared that pup then confirmed the pack less than 2 weeks later. Huge step in the right direction for the WDFW in my opinion.
Post by: BIGINNER on July 26, 2011, 03:27:01 PM
Agreed WAcoyotehunter. Look at the flak they took over the timing and method of "confirming" the Teanaway pack. Radio collared animal. Photos more than a year old, etc. Not the best way to go about things.
Still, I don't see this as any sort of proof of some sort of grand conspiracy. Look at the Smackout pack - they collared that pup then confirmed the pack less than 2 weeks later. Huge step in the right direction for the WDFW in my opinion.
only because other people knew about those wolves and the wdfw had no chaice but to confirm.
Post by: CedarPants on July 26, 2011, 03:55:33 PM