Post by: WDFW-SUX on July 05, 2011, 04:32:43 PM
Post by: Twispriver on July 05, 2011, 05:25:08 PM
Post by: Goomsba on July 05, 2011, 05:32:13 PM
I have a hard time with that one myself - The Lookout Pack migrating from Canada maybe but this one is a bit of a stretch.:yeah:
Post by: Curly on July 05, 2011, 06:50:04 PM
Post by: gasman on July 05, 2011, 07:06:31 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 05, 2011, 09:38:01 PM
My money says there will be enough packs in Washington within 2 years to delist, (if all packs were accounted for). :twocents:
As it stands heres what I have on my short list from pretty reliable sources. I have listed the known minimum, there may be more packs as some of these wolves are showing up all over the units mentioned and it's unlikely one pack would be seen so much:
2 Packs confirmed by WDFW in Unit 113 Selkirk
2 Packs in Unit 111 Aladdin
1 Pack in Unit 105 Kelly Hill (pups seen numerous times last year)
1 Pack in Unit 108 Douglas (2 wolves seen and 1 wolf seen, reliable sightings, not sure if they are still in unit)
1 Pack or more in Unit 121 Huckleberry (numerous sightings, these wolves may be both hybrids and wild wolves in 2 or 3 different groups)
1 Pack or more in Unit 117 49 Degrees
1 Pack or more in Blue Mountains
1 Pack or more in Ferry/Okanagan near Republic
1 Pack confirmed by WDFW in the Methow
1 Pack unconfirmed but seen by numerous residents in the Methow
1 Pack confirmed by WDFW in the Teanaway
1 Wolf on trail cam in Pine Creek near Okanogan River
12 Packs Minimum Currently (Each listed pack reported by numerous people, that's not considering other areas reported by only 1 or 2 individuals.) :twocents:
Wished we could get Conservation Northwest setting cameras in NE WA. :bash:
Post by: bearpaw on July 05, 2011, 10:50:30 PM
DISPERSAL AND WOLF ACTIVITY OUTSIDE OF MT, ID, AND WY
Individual wolves can disperse over 680 miles from their natal pack, with actual travel distances exceeding 6,000 miles. A wolf that dispersed from Gardiner, MT to western Colorado where she was illegally killed by 1080 Compound poison in March 2009 travelled a straight line distance of 400 miles in 6 months but daily GPS locations showed she actually walked over 3,000 miles. The average dispersal distance of northern Rocky Mountain (NRM) wolves is about 60 miles. About 20 confirmed NRM wolf dispersal events from 1992 through 2010 have been over 190 miles and only 4 wolves travelled beyond the northern Rocky Mountain (NRM) Distinct Population Segment (DPS) border. Undoubtedly many other dispersal events have occurred but have not been detected because <25% of the NRM wolf population has been radio-collared and it is difficult to locate lone dispersing wolves.
http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt10/FINAL_2010_AR_USFWS_NRM_UPDATE_3-9-11.pdf (http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/wolf/annualrpt10/FINAL_2010_AR_USFWS_NRM_UPDATE_3-9-11.pdf)
Post by: denali on July 05, 2011, 11:30:39 PM
>:( not likely , they are focused on getting a distinct population segment for the west side --
The status review of Pacific Northwest wolves focuses on a “distinct population segment” identified by the Endangered Species Act that includes wolves in the western part of Washington and Oregon, as well as northern California, western Nevada and the Sierra Nevada mountains.
“One possible outcome from the status review is they could determine that the Cascades wolf is a separate and distinct population warranting its own recovery plan and listing,” said Minbashian of Conservation Northwest. The survey may determine whether “there is a scientifically defensible boundary for a distinct wolf population” in the Cascades, she said.
http://www.conservationnw.org/pressroom/press-clips/feds-start-review-of-northwest-gray-wolves (http://www.conservationnw.org/pressroom/press-clips/feds-start-review-of-northwest-gray-wolves)
When they brought wolves down from Canada for introduction they claimed it was the same wolf, now they want a distinct population for the west side with further protections I'm sure. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: bearpaw on July 06, 2011, 07:07:13 AM
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Genetic testing indicated the breeding male might have originated from a coastal/southern British Columbia and the breeding female came from northern British Columbia/Alberta border or wolves reintroduced into central Idaho and Yellowstone National Park from that area of Canada. They were the first confirmed wolf pack in Washington since the 1930s. The pair produced 6 pups in summer 2008 and 4 in 2009. During spring 2010, the female was observed to be pregnant and was using a den.
These sentences from the USFWS describing the Lookout Pack indicate to me USFWS will likely consider the central WA wolves as the same wolf. If USFWS separated wolves in the western 2/3 of WA as a different subspecie now, it will add merit to the argument in Idaho and Montana that the original wolves there were a separate subspecie. I think the USFWS will keep them listed as the same specie. :dunno:
Post by: dreamingbig on July 06, 2011, 11:41:41 AM
Post by: turbo on July 06, 2011, 04:06:33 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on July 06, 2011, 04:10:21 PM
Does anyone really think the newest wolves got to the Teanaway area on there own? I just dont see any way that is possible...
Threre isn't.
They're all planted by the Sierra club so eventually they can restrict your hunting rights. Wake the f up.
Exactly
Post by: boneaddict on July 06, 2011, 05:08:06 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 07, 2011, 11:46:51 AM
The government did sell guns to Mexican Cartels, why would they not plant wolves? :dunno:
Post by: CedarPants on July 07, 2011, 11:56:31 AM
Post by: wsucowboy on July 07, 2011, 12:13:02 PM
First moose in the Teanaway, now wolves?? What is the state going to haul up there in the back of a truck next? Grizzlies?:yeah: