Post by: bearhunter59 on July 07, 2011, 09:58:13 PM
Post by: FC on July 07, 2011, 10:04:25 PM
Post by: predatorpro on July 07, 2011, 10:09:02 PM
I would get a 3/4 ton for a boat that big, you will break/wear out less stuff on the truck and it will have an easier time pulling and stopping that much load.i agree look into a 3/4 ton diesel, i think you would be pretty happy with it
Post by: jburkett on July 07, 2011, 10:13:03 PM
Post by: gotshot on July 07, 2011, 10:16:18 PM
Post by: jburkett on July 07, 2011, 10:27:18 PM
Post by: kkirkma3 on July 07, 2011, 10:40:11 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on July 07, 2011, 11:06:45 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on July 07, 2011, 11:09:17 PM
Post by: Hyde on July 07, 2011, 11:27:20 PM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on July 08, 2011, 05:40:00 AM
or electric brakes?
Post by: longknife on July 08, 2011, 05:55:35 AM
But you should have dual axles with that big of boat, and go with the 3/4 ton truck. The ZF 5 speeds are GREAT transmitions if you go Ford.
Post by: xd2005 on July 08, 2011, 07:13:30 AM
my mother in law has a 2011 f-150 and hers is rated at 9500 lbs withe 5.4 but i believe that is a small increased over the past few years ratings
Not to be "that guy," but Ford switched to a 5.0 in 2011, so it's either pre-2011 or the engine is a 5.0.
Post by: Skillet on July 08, 2011, 07:34:14 AM
Main reason for wanting to get a pickup, is to pull a 22'-24' boat for fishing in the sound.
Sounds like you don't have the boat yet... There is a lot of variables in that range of boat and trailer combo's to be cutting towing capacity close to what you think it's going to be, then really wishing you'd gone with a heavier vehicle. That said, if you don't plan on towing it often and took the back roads, you could probably do it with a Ranger...
Full disclosure - I have a 2006 F250 Supercab 4X4 with the 6.0, and absolutely love the SuperDuty line of trucks (pre-2008, anyway) - I believe they are the best light truck out there, hands down. I love to do the basic maintenance on it, since nothing ever seems to wear out. Still on the original set of brake pads at 75K, and I do tow a fair amount (they are getting close, however). I've never felt that it was "too big" to drive anywhere - even to the fuel station, thanks to the diesel. My bro has a 2009 F150 with the 5.4, and I'd say it would get the job you need done - but I'll bet dimes to dollars if you got a heavy fiberglass inboard 24'er you'll be wishing you'd gone with a F250.
Post by: bearhunter59 on July 08, 2011, 08:49:21 AM
And I must be missing something on the diesel issue, cuz I don't understand the recommendation to go with diesel. Isn't diesel fuel like @.30/gal more expensive than regular gas? What? Is the gas mileage on a diesel that much better than a regular gas engine? I used to have a F250, with the 460 in it, and that thing would pull like a mother, but it couldn't pass a gas station. It only got between 5-8mpg depending on if I was pulling the 35' fifthwheel trailer I used to pull. I can't imagine what a big turbo diesel would be like; specially using it for commuting mainly.
And yes, I do not have the boat yet. can't get the boat till I have something to pull it with. don't think my saturn vue with the 3.5L 6-banger would pull much of anything. In any case, the boat will probably be more in the 20'-22' range. thanks for the input so far guys.
Post by: KopperBuck on July 08, 2011, 09:06:29 AM
Post by: andersonjk4 on July 08, 2011, 09:11:09 AM
Post by: whacker1 on July 08, 2011, 09:12:54 AM
Diesel isn't practical for me as a daily driver and I have committed to replace my F150 with another F150 when the time comes. If you start getting in the 7000-9000 range on your 22 foot boat that you are looking at, make sure you have electric trailer brakes.
I towed my boat from Spokane to Lake Shasta and back. Again it would have been easier with a Diesel, but not necessary.
Post by: xd2005 on July 08, 2011, 09:17:47 AM
Post by: KopperBuck on July 08, 2011, 09:23:43 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 08, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
I had a 21.5' Bluewater Cuddy...heavy boat...pulling it with my 2002 half ton Silverado. It did fine on the west side until I hit the pass. If I drove it like I should, big hills like Snoqualmie or Stevens pass were brutal. 40mph if I didn't push it. I could push it and pull that hill at 55-60 but I felt like I was watching my motor come apart. Big RPM's and lots of transmission upshifting and downshifting. BOOO.... My truck has a 7500# tow rating and is rated at 295hp. I have cold air intake and exhaust which probably only gives me a little more power. I would expect the same results out of any 1/2 ton truck. My buddy tows a 25' boat to and from his moorage with a Grand Cherokee. He only does it 2 times a year. Bottom line is that it depends on what you expect. MAke sure the truck you buy has factory tow so you get the heavier duty cooling stuff. Don't "settle" for installing a hitch after the fact because the truck probably won't have the heavy duty cooling and whatever else comes with a factory installed tow package. Add-on trans coolers are lame IMO and are an additonal potential for leakage so don't settle for "making" a truck with a tow package.
Post by: whacker1 on July 08, 2011, 10:14:50 AM
Different truck I know but a fair comparison.
I had a 21.5' Bluewater Cuddy...heavy boat...pulling it with my 2002 half ton Silverado. It did fine on the west side until I hit the pass. If I drove it like I should, big hills like Snoqualmie or Stevens pass were brutal. 40mph if I didn't push it. I could push it and pull that hill at 55-60 but I felt like I was watching my motor come apart. Big RPM's and lots of transmission upshifting and downshifting. BOOO.... My truck has a 7500# tow rating and is rated at 295hp. I have cold air intake and exhaust which probably only gives me a little more power. I would expect the same results out of any 1/2 ton truck. My buddy tows a 25' boat to and from his moorage with a Grand Cherokee. He only does it 2 times a year. Bottom line is that it depends on what you expect. MAke sure the truck you buy has factory tow so you get the heavier duty cooling stuff. Don't "settle" for installing a hitch after the fact because the truck probably won't have the heavy duty cooling and whatever else comes with a factory installed tow package. Add-on trans coolers are lame IMO and are an additonal potential for leakage so don't settle for "making" a truck with a tow package.
echo Jack's comments on the Tow package. The 2009 F150 and later added a 6 speed automatic transmission that is similar in concept to the Alison transmission that includes a true tow haul mode that changes shift points, use of overdrive, down shifting when braking, and manual shift function. The towing package includes a larger transmission cooler, electronic trailer brake controller, hitch, larger discs on the braking system, and the trailer wiring harness.
I know Chevy and Dodge have done similar things for their half ton, but I don't know when it started or to what extent. I have been tracking the F150's changes.
I still say you will be happier with the Diesel and 3/4 ton, but it isn't necessary. IF you have friends that have both 1/2 tons and 3/4 tons, go for a ride with them when they are towing somethihng.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on July 08, 2011, 10:17:47 AM
Post by: jackelope on July 08, 2011, 11:13:24 AM
Post by: CP on July 08, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
I have a 4.6L F150 4x4 with the tow package and it does fine with my 17’ boat. I did tow a 21’ Fourwinds with it for awhile and it OK expect when I took it over Stevens pass. I burnt the transmission fluid on that trip; no damage other than I had to replace the fluid.
Post by: Bean Counter on July 08, 2011, 12:42:15 PM
the truck would mainly be used for commuting back and forth to work, between covington and renton, and then on the weekends to pull the boat to/from covington and point D. don't plan on pulling it all over the place.
And I must be missing something on the diesel issue, cuz I don't understand the recommendation to go with diesel. Isn't diesel fuel like @.30/gal more expensive than regular gas? What? Is the gas mileage on a diesel that much better than a regular gas engine? I used to have a F250, with the 460 in it, and that thing would pull like a mother, but it couldn't pass a gas station. It only got between 5-8mpg depending on if I was pulling the 35' fifthwheel trailer I used to pull. I can't imagine what a big turbo diesel would be like; specially using it for commuting mainly.
And yes, I do not have the boat yet. can't get the boat till I have something to pull it with. don't think my saturn vue with the 3.5L 6-banger would pull much of anything. In any case, the boat will probably be more in the 20'-22' range. thanks for the input so far guys.
You may not notice a difference between diesel and gas in your daily commute, but you sure will in pulling that boat. Diesel will put your boat, trailer, even house like it doesn't even care.
Post by: magnanimous_j on July 08, 2011, 02:31:23 PM
With 4wd and crew cab, it knocks the rating down to around 8000, which would be the max recommended for long distance towing.
/used to sell em
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on July 08, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
Post by: demontang on July 08, 2011, 02:59:32 PM
The tow rating of the new f150 is 6000-11300lbs, if your looking at a new one the 6.2 or 3.5 ecoboost are the highest rated. The f150 a few years old have the same range of tow rating's you can look at ford web site and get the specific rating for the truck your looking at.
Post by: Buckmark on July 08, 2011, 03:04:51 PM
I commute daily in my F-350 dually with a 7.3L Powerstroke. I average about 18mpg. On the highway I get anywhere from 22-24mpg. Last year I averaged 14mpg while towing the travel trailer over the North Cascades.You could walk to work..... :chuckle:, you use a gallon a week.
Post by: jburkett on July 08, 2011, 04:02:43 PM
sorry not a fan of ford trucks, and know nothing about them but what im toldmy mother in law has a 2011 f-150 and hers is rated at 9500 lbs withe 5.4 but i believe that is a small increased over the past few years ratings
Not to be "that guy," but Ford switched to a 5.0 in 2011, so it's either pre-2011 or the engine is a 5.0.
Post by: xd2005 on July 08, 2011, 04:41:04 PM
sorry not a fan of ford trucks, and know nothing about them but what im toldmy mother in law has a 2011 f-150 and hers is rated at 9500 lbs withe 5.4 but i believe that is a small increased over the past few years ratings
Not to be "that guy," but Ford switched to a 5.0 in 2011, so it's either pre-2011 or the engine is a 5.0.
No worries...if I hadn't just bought one I wouldn't have had a clue!