Post by: grundy53 on July 08, 2011, 04:42:52 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on July 08, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
As for used guns its hard to say, black power especially. black powder is not like smokeless powder used in modern rifles, its highly corrosive even with chrome lined barrels. so the tough part is determining if it has been properly cleaned and stored. one of the things that some of the old school of thought muzzy hunters was that you can leave your rifle loaded with powder and bullet for months or until next season. problem was they found out real quick their barrels got "pitted" out and are now basically a big paper weight, and the manufacturers wont cover it.
being CVA Elkhorns are not super expensive I would go with it.
Post by: dupedc on July 08, 2011, 05:25:46 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 08, 2011, 05:29:42 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on July 08, 2011, 05:35:32 PM
Im no muzzy expert so im looking for a little advice. I've done my research and have decided to purchase a new CVA Elkhorn pro. But I've come across a used knight LK-93 for a reasonable price. So here is the question. Would you stick with the original plan and go elkhorn or get the used LK-93? Also any thoughts on the LK-93? Since it isn't one of the ones I've researched.
I would like to share a couple of thoughts and remember these are just my opinion...
I honestly do not know a lot about the CVA Elkhorn Pro. When i first got into shooting ML's my first inlines were CVA's a Hunter Bolt and a Fire Bolt. They were not that bad a gun but it did not take me long to figure out that I was looking for more than the CVA could offer me. Have not had a CVA since...
As I understand it the Elkhorn is a bolt with all three ignitions systems available. It would my suggestion that you look at a new Knight DISC rifle with a Western Kit installed. It is going to be more costly than the Elk Horn, but again in my opinion it is a far better gun and offers additional features that do not come with the CVA.
http://www.knightrifles.com/disc-extreme-guns/ (http://www.knightrifles.com/disc-extreme-guns/)
I have several of these Extremes (older Extremes) and they are a great rifle… This is the one that I use a lot. I do use a scope during regular rifle season and it has to come off for ML season here in Idaho.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FCompositeMHC.jpg&hash=4d147ff69e9a77f97221196b20d1a170d556e7bf)
This is the open breech with a #11 installed.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FP1010014.jpg&hash=da3cd154ab3e2a545c4ac3ae735f9c99f5f1163b)
The price you see on the Knight site can be reduced if you purchase the gun from a dealer. Even if you were to order from Knight they are offering a 20% discount coupon if you mention it to them.
The LK-93 is a open breech – pull cock – hammer gun. It is really a very good gun. If you were to do search on a Knight Wolverine you would find a lot of information. The new variety of the same gun is called a Knight Big Horn. It offers a longer 26” barrel.
This is a Knight MK-85, which is a predecessor to the LK-85
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2FMK-85Composite.jpg&hash=07dd3e9443c1413e5b5162397f3c7ed2b22a4f19)
Post by: superdown on July 08, 2011, 05:42:22 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on July 08, 2011, 06:28:42 PM
what are the advantages of the disc extreme with the western kit over the bighorn?
When you ask it that way... I guess I can only say that biggest advantage is the bolt operation of the gun. The only thing that you and I might bth agree on it that their really isn't another ML built as well a Knight, whether it be a Big Horn, DISC, or Moutaineer.
The bolt face makes the gun somewhat more safe in that blow back cannot push the hammer back and allow the 209 or even parts of the cap from exiting the gun. If you look at the one picture you can see that with the bolt closed a hood covers a large portion of the breech area and flying parts from a cap are contained inside the bolt. With the DISC you can safely use both the NFPJ and FPJ 209 system + #11 and musket caps.
The other real advantage for me is the bolt and hood systems offers much more breech protection than does the open breech area of the Big Horn. The area being more closed keeps debris from falling into the open breech area, as well as it helps keep a lot of the weather out of the breech area, and I hunt in some lousy weather.
Lastly for me… I do not use a centerfire rifle any longer all the hunting I do now, even during regular rifle season, I use a ML and the DISC and a NFPJ ignition system – I really do not feel that out classed hunting with the guys using a centerfire.
Oh! And one last thought during the regular rifle season you could use BH-209 with a DISC and not worry about blow back at all.
So it really is just in the eyes of the operator.
Post by: grundy53 on July 08, 2011, 07:13:30 PM
I have a CVA Elkhorn and it shoots great and is nice and light so +1 there.
As for used guns its hard to say, black power especially. black powder is not like smokeless powder used in modern rifles, its highly corrosive even with chrome lined barrels. so the tough part is determining if it has been properly cleaned and stored. one of the things that some of the old school of thought muzzy hunters was that you can leave your rifle loaded with powder and bullet for months or until next season. problem was they found out real quick their barrels got "pitted" out and are now basically a big paper weight, and the manufacturers wont cover it.
being CVA Elkhorns are not super expensive I would go with it.
That was my main concern too. What little I know about Muzzleloaders I do know they need to be cleaned a lot. It looked like it was in pretty good shape, but you never know. I will probably just go with a new muzzy just so I can be sure. Thank you everyone for the advice. It is much appreciated.
Post by: marty on July 08, 2011, 08:16:04 PM
Post by: hunt4 on July 08, 2011, 09:00:05 PM
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The price you see on the Knight site can be reduced if you purchase the gun from a dealer. Even if you were to order from Knight they are offering a 20% discount coupon if you mention it to them.Were did you see this? I would like one of these coupons.
Post by: Sabotloader on July 09, 2011, 07:54:09 AM
QuoteThe price you see on the Knight site can be reduced if you purchase the gun from a dealer. Even if you were to order from Knight they are offering a 20% discount coupon if you mention it to them.Were did you see this? I would like one of these coupons.
At the big gun shows Knight was offering the discount coupon, I think if you were to call Knight and ask them, I think they would honor the request but I am not sure. It would take a phone call.
I will also see if I can come up with the coupon number...
Post by: carpsniperg2 on July 10, 2011, 12:40:29 PM
Post by: grundy53 on July 11, 2011, 02:09:33 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on July 11, 2011, 05:26:10 PM
as for other toys:
Range rod for sure, those ones under the barrel suck after a couple shots!
CVA make a beginner Kit that comes with PowerBelt bullets, hollow point bullet starter, breech plug/nipple grease, PowerBelt SpeedClip loader, Barrel Blaster solvent, cleaning patches, cleaning brush, breech brush set, and instructional DVD for about $60
if you don't want the whole kit, then just get bullet a starter, Nipple grease, Black powder solvent, Cleaning patches w/ brush and some barrel butter to lube the bullets for easier starting.
I use the musket primers in mine with 150g of pyrodex pellets, good stuff manerd.
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 11, 2011, 06:57:57 PM
Post by: grundy53 on July 12, 2011, 03:05:40 PM
Congrates on the purchase! Awesome choice!
as for other toys:
Range rod for sure, those ones under the barrel suck after a couple shots!
CVA make a beginner Kit that comes with PowerBelt bullets, hollow point bullet starter, breech plug/nipple grease, PowerBelt SpeedClip loader, Barrel Blaster solvent, cleaning patches, cleaning brush, breech brush set, and instructional DVD for about $60
if you don't want the whole kit, then just get bullet a starter, Nipple grease, Black powder solvent, Cleaning patches w/ brush and some barrel butter to lube the bullets for easier starting.
I use the musket primers in mine with 150g of pyrodex pellets, good stuff manerd.
Thank you for the help. I really appreciate it.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on July 12, 2011, 03:38:06 PM
Black powder has alot to remember and all sorts of little stuff you have to buy. its no wonder so many people to modern!
Never store the gun loaded for a long period of time.
Clean it after fireing with good solvent. if you want to fowl the barrel a little pop a couple primers in it (unloaded of course).
Always use the grease for the breach plug and nipple otherwise you'll never get it back out.
I always put a little barrel butter on a patch and run it down the barrel a couple times before storing.
...yep I'm missing my Remington 700 already :chuckle:
Post by: grundy53 on July 12, 2011, 03:40:56 PM
No problemo,
Black powder has alot to remember and all sorts of little stuff you have to buy. its no wonder so many people to modern!
Never store the gun loaded for a long period of time.
Clean it after fireing with good solvent. if you want to fowl the barrel a little pop a couple primers in it (unloaded of course).Always use the grease for the breach plug and nipple otherwise you'll never get it back out.
I always put a little barrel butter on a patch and run it down the barrel a couple times before storing.
...yep I'm missing my Remington 700 already :chuckle:
Is this to "season" it before shooting?
Thanks again for the advice.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on July 13, 2011, 08:43:49 AM
Post by: funkster on July 14, 2011, 08:06:16 AM