Post by: Sliverslinger on August 04, 2011, 07:58:46 PM
Daypack and Person
License
Map
Compass
Aerial Photo
TP
Pocket Sharpener
Headlamp
Spare Flashlight
Extra batteries
Fire Starter - Vaseline soaked cotton balls
Flint & Striker
Spare lighter
Pink Ribbon
75' 550 cord
Whistle
Camelback
Water bottle with filter
Water filter and tubing
Small first aid kit
Face paint
Calls
Wind Chalk
Elk Scent
Carmex
Copenhagen
Garbage bags x2
Spare Socks
5 tree stand steps
Bug Spray
Thermacell & Cartridges
Walkie Talkies
GPS
Small Machete/ Bone saw
Knife
Bow
Arrows w/ Broadheads
Binos
Rangefinder
Release
Scent Killer Spray
Duct tape wrapped around lighter
Foot Powder
Pack
Pocket Rocket Stove
Fuel Canisters
Pot/Cup set
Utensils
Salt & Pepper Packets
2.5 gallon collapsible water container
Cliff Bars
Instant Oatmeal
Mt. House Meals
Coffee packs
Multivitamins
Gatorade Powder
Jerky & Snacks
1 liter canteen
Sleeping bag
Sleeping mat
Bivy Cover
10x10 light weight tarp
Extra 550 cord
SOG Seal Pup Knife
Soap
Scent Killer Deodorant
Baby Wipes
Toothbrush/ Toothpaste
1 liter canteen
Game Bags
1 gallon Ziplock bags
Small collapsible fishing pole
hooks, bobber, flies,
Extra TP
Extra Release
Small Allen Wrench set for bow repairs
Clothing
Poncho
Hat
Gloves
UA Heat Gear Top
UA Cold Gear Top
UA Cold Gear Bottom
UA Vest
Pants x2
Shirts x2
Underwear x5
Rain Gear
Socks x8-10
Boots
We are absolutely stoked for this trip. Been getting into shape all summer and ready to go.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 04, 2011, 08:14:05 PM
antibacterial solution for spraying the meat, take your pick
suture kit, quick clot
washcloth or bandana
benadryl
imodium anti diahareal
aluminum foil for the fish
some lemon herb seasoning
celebratory ounce of crown royal
Post by: time2hunt on August 04, 2011, 08:17:09 PM
Post by: Sliverslinger on August 04, 2011, 08:39:31 PM
Just curious what is your pack weight right know :dunno:
That's a very good question. I actually just got my new pack in the mail today. Keep in mind a lot of this stuff is divided between two people. The answer to your question... I don't know yet. I'm going to pack it tomorrow night with everything except the food which I haven't bought yet.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 04, 2011, 08:42:08 PM
Post by: Sliverslinger on August 04, 2011, 08:43:50 PM
lose the tree steps
antibacterial solution for spraying the meat, take your pick
suture kit, quick clot
washcloth or bandana
benadryl
imodium anti diahareal
aluminum foil for the fish
some lemon herb seasoning
celebratory ounce of crown royal
I appreciate the input greatly. The tree steps were definitely something that I thought would be the first to go. They are on the list because of how many times I've walked past a tree and thought "If I could only get to that branch I'd have a killer view overwatching this trail." In reality, I'd probably never do it even if I could. Excellent idea on the immodium. Never thought of that but it could definitely be handy.
I did forget to mention the aluminum flask we'll each be taking with Crown. Thanks!
Post by: Sliverslinger on August 04, 2011, 08:45:45 PM
Post by: jechicdr on August 04, 2011, 09:31:40 PM
Backpack x 2
Batteries (AA, AAA, Lithium)
Cell Phone
Extra phone battery
Solar batter (from Edmund Scientific for charging cell phone)
Sleeping bag
Sleeping pad
Pillow
Tent
Water filter
Camel back x 2
Fire starters (lighters/magnesium-flint/wax matches)
Saw
Shower
Towel
Toilet paper
Plastic Shovel
Wipes
Wash cloth
Toothbrush
Deodorant
Foot powder
Soap
Prilosec
Loratadine
First Aid Kit w/ space blanket
Allen wrenches
Garbage bags x 4-in case of hot weather, can put quarters in garbage bags and put in cold creek or alpine lake to keep cool
Jetboil (and utensils)
Fuel
Nature Seasonings-for occasional grouse
Food
Granola x 14
Pepperoni sticks
Dried fruit
Meals x 14
Snickers
License and tags
Rangefinder
Binoculars
Binocular case (has some extra pockets for holding little extras)
Wind detector-Firefly I think it is called.
Headlamp x 2 (cheap one for camp, and for tracking game Cabelas Alaskan Guide (on sale now) The XG Green Model is outfitted with a white Maxbrite LED with 70 lumens of output and 90 hours of run time. It also has three 5mm green LEDs that put out 15 lumens for up to 200 hours. Operates on three AA batteries (included). Weight: 8 oz)
Knife
Sharpener
Pruning shears-cutting shooting paths.
Nylon cord
Montana decoy
Calls
Spot Messenger-they make one now that connects to cell phone and you can send texts via satellites.
GPS
Compass
Maps
Game Bags
Camera
Thermacell-Would not bring bug spray
Bow-with 7 arrows in quiver...hope I don't go through all 7.
Release
Sleeve (holds loose clothing out of way on bow arm)
Bow Sling
Boot dryer-scent lok (on sale for 9.88 at Cabelas)
Boots x 2
Shoes for around camp
Socks
Gaitors
Underarmor boxer briefs-great for reducing chaffing with extended walking
Camo layers
Coat
T-shirt for walking up the mountain
Shorts for walking up the mountain
Belt
Rain gear
Warm fur hat
Gloves
Hat with face cover
Wide brimmed hat
Camo paint
Post by: mtncook on August 04, 2011, 09:34:58 PM
mtncook
Post by: 3nails on August 04, 2011, 09:40:13 PM
Post by: kalamasasquatch on August 05, 2011, 12:02:33 AM
Post by: colockumelk on August 05, 2011, 09:28:22 AM
Daypack
Elk Scent: Your spot and stalk/calling elk. You're gonna be playing the wind anyways. So this item IMHO is useless
Scent Killer: Again you'll be playing the wind. THis is useless weight. Especially since after 3 days on the mountain there isn't a scent killer product on the market that will mask that scent. Play the wind.
Extra Water containers: As said before just use a big camel back and maybe that water bottle with the filter you mentioned. I get water every day.
Small Machete: You don't need a saw to debone your elk. A knife is all you need. If you must have a bone saw make sure its a small one. But I only bring a knife.
Extra Clothes: Dont bring extra pants or extra shirt. You wont need them. Also I would cut down on the amount of socks and underwear.
Here's a tip as well. Make sure that when it comes to underwear and socks you avoid cotton like the plague. Especially in the underwear department. Cotton will only absorbe your sweat and will stay wet and by the end of the first day you'll have chaffing so bad you wont want to continue on. I recommend that you wear some type of compression shorts. Wal-Mart has them for like $10. I have 3 pair. They are Nylon I think and since I started wearing them I havn't had any chaffing. Socks I would get some good high quality wool or polyester hiking socks. Same thing as the cotton panties. They'll absorbe sweat and stay wet, you'll get blisters and your feet will smell horrible. In the military they taught us to change our socks regularly because of this. Of course this is because we didn't wear synthetic socks. Would have solved that problem right away.
Post by: high country on August 05, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
and to think you will be alone is awesome, but can be depressing. I would expect to see a few folks, after all there is a lake.
here is everything I took a few years ago. I have whittled a couple pounds out of that.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi193.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz16%2Fgyonemura%2FgearlistMedium.jpg&hash=88697cbe402244731f3623d83d038b727a1810dd)
Post by: high country on August 05, 2011, 09:40:55 AM
Post by: Sliverslinger on August 05, 2011, 03:45:00 PM
In regards to the underwear and socks, I to learned in the military to change socks often. Granted they weren't the best socks, but even now with some of the great expensive backpacking socks, as soon as my feet get sweaty I like to change em out. I try to take care of my feet constantly because I become a sissy when I get a blister or hot spot and I hate being absolutely miserable while hunting.
I'll definitely be adjusting the list in regards to clothes based on the general weather forecast.
Thanks again guys, anything else?
Post by: high country on August 05, 2011, 05:08:16 PM
Post by: halflife65 on August 05, 2011, 05:36:26 PM
If you are camping next to a lake you probably have too many water containers. Take a 100oz water bladder and carry and empty water bottle up with you - like a large (one of the big ones) water you can buy at a convenience market. (Or just take the collapsible 2.5 gallon thing. I like the water bottle though because my bladder popped on day 1 of an 8 day trip last year so I used the water bottle for everything.) Since you're going to camp next to water you don't need to carry it up full. Fill it up each night after you eat and then just leave it in camp if you're going on day hunts from there. Take one filter and aquamira or iodine tablets as backup.
Unless you plan on cutting off the skull plate after you cape an elk, leave the machete/saw (if you do plan on cutting it off then it's a good reason to bring). Just bone out the elk and don't carry ANY extra weight.
8 - 10 pairs of socks is a lot. I would take 3 - and be wearing one of them. That way you have the pair on your feet, the pair that you just took off and are airing out and the pair that's been aired out. Wear high quality pants that dry quickly and don't bring any extra. If you get real wet just put your raingear on over your UA and let your pants dry out. Bring one extra UA shirt if you'd like.
I'd add a stocking hat. 6200' is high and you'll freeze your butt off in the morning if you're sitting around glassing before you start moving around. A warm noggin' is the easiest way to keep the rest of you warm.
I don't figure I'm going to be stitching anything up but I did start to carry some of that blood clot stuff. Also, make sure that you have a mirror on your compass you can use to get the fir needle out of your eye when it decides to jump in there.
I use Patagonia boxers and don't worry about any extra. Sure, it's gross but think of it as extra incentive for your lonely hunting partner to stay away from you. They dry super fast, you could always give them a dip in the lake and go commando for awhile.
I see you have foot powder. Replace it with Goldbond so you can use it on your undercarriage, too. Chafing sucks.
Put your oatmeal in heavy duty freezer ziplocks and just dump the water in there. That way you aren't dirtying a dish.
I wouldn't worry about fishing. You have more important stuff to do. Like kill an elk.
I'd consider not painting my face because it'll be awhile before you can adequetely get it off if you paint up on day one.
Post by: high country on August 05, 2011, 05:45:34 PM
Post by: halflife65 on August 05, 2011, 06:40:44 PM
Don't need the scent killer or cow estrus. You're going to stink after the walk in - just play the wind.
Take 1 pack. Hopefully you can collapse it enough to use as a day pack. Plus you can get your first load of meat to camp (or to where a horse can access.)
Tree steps (?)
Just remember, every ounce counts.
If you get blisters or hot spots, consider wearing a lightweight silk-type sock under your heavier socks. That helps a bunch. And they dry fast so if you have to bring any extra it's just one pair so you can swap back and forth each day.
You might consider trekking poles for the walk in or out or when your are packing meat. That's kind of optional but I got a pair and they're nice. You can use to assist in your tarp setup, too, although that's certainly not absolutely necessary.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 05, 2011, 07:39:46 PM
Post by: jechicdr on August 05, 2011, 07:42:52 PM
Post by: fair-chase on August 05, 2011, 11:07:54 PM
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If you get blisters or hot spots, consider wearing a lightweight silk-type sock under your heavier socks. That helps a bunch. And they dry fast so if you have to bring any extra it's just one pair so you can swap back and forth each day.
:yeah: Another alternative is pantyhose. Cheap, lightweight, silk, and disposable. Don't ask me how I know and whatever you do do not get the full length ones. You may be searching for another hunting partner if you go that route. :chuckle:
Post by: akirkland on August 06, 2011, 07:57:33 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 06, 2011, 08:17:28 AM
MOLESKIN.......................a must for blisters.
Post by: unluckyjohn on August 06, 2011, 08:33:01 AM
I liked having a real compass when I did the back country hunt to twin sisters last year. don't forget a small digital camera, well worth the weight. I would stick with the mountain house meals for two (one person needs a 2 person serving after a hard day)
If I was going to do it again I would also add a emergency blanket to my day pack. (no weight/size)
the mistake I made last year was the weight. I felt great at home, after mile whatever I started thinking twice about what was in my pack.
:brew:
Post by: high country on August 06, 2011, 11:43:04 AM
I would go on your trial run with next to nothing. Food fire water....and a list of stuff you miss. I keep a list of everything I do not use. If anything goes 2 trips without getting used it stays home....excluding emergency bag and meds.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 06, 2011, 02:10:04 PM
Post by: high country on August 06, 2011, 03:33:47 PM
Post by: halflife65 on August 07, 2011, 11:18:03 AM
Making the list and knocking stuff off of it that doesn't get used is a really good idea. I like the warm rock idea, high country. Good thinking.
Post by: colockumelk on August 07, 2011, 05:59:30 PM
Post by: jechicdr on August 07, 2011, 06:23:56 PM
Post by: lewy on August 07, 2011, 06:30:07 PM
Post by: bullcanyon on August 07, 2011, 07:08:59 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 07, 2011, 08:57:30 PM
Post by: Sliverslinger on August 08, 2011, 11:30:31 AM
Below is the updated list - I took a lot of the advice you guys had to give.
A couple notes - Keeping the small machete/ saw for deplating horns, chopping limbs to burn, etc...
Thought taking some NO Explode Powder and Whey protein powder would be a really good idea as that always helps before and after my workouts and rides and weighs less than food.
Thanks for the advice on putting MT. House meals in Ziplock bags and just saving one or two of the MT. House bags and reusing it. Will do that today.
I feel I need the day pack - it is the Cabelas fanny pack style with Shoulder straps- small and light. My main pack is the Cabelas Jim Shockey external frame pack - absolutely love the pack but it's very large and the material is not as quiet as I like for slipping around in the woods. I want to be able to leave my sleeping back, extra food, and other stuff in it at camp for waterproofing and to keep it hidden up in a tree. Many bears where we are going. My daypack clips to it and is very light.
I got rid of the extra filter- the water bottle with filter will be used to fill everything as it is the faster option (tried it).
All in all, thanks to you guys, thus far I've pulled about 10 lbs worth of stuff. Today I'm going to trim it up even more. Any other thoughts?
Person
License
Knife
Bow
Arrows w/ Broadheads
Binos
Rangefinder
Release
Face paint
Calls
Wind Chalk
Walkie Talkies
FNP-40 in Holster
Daypack
Map
Compass
Aerial Photo
TP
Pocket Sharpener
Headlamp
Spare Flashlight wrapped in pink ribbon
Extra batteries- AA &AAA
Fire Starter - Vaseline Cottonballs
Flint & Striker
Spare lighter wrapped in Duct tape
75' 550 cord
Camelback x1
Waterbottle w/ filter
Carmex
Copenhagen
Garbage bags x2
Spare Socks
Thermacell & Cartridges
Small Machete/ Bone saw
Goldbond
Bandana
Benadryl x5
Ibuprofin x5
Tylenol PM x5
Immodium Anti-Diarhea x5
5 Hour Energy x1
Small First Aid Kit
Quick Clot
Bandana
Fleece Beanie
Water purification tablets
Emergency space blanket
Pack
Pocket Rocket Stove
Fuel Canisters
Pot/Cup/ utensil set
Protein Bars
Instant Oatmeal x6
Mt. House Meals
Multivitamins
NO Explode Powder
Whey Protein Powder
Sleeping bag
Sleeping mat
Bivy Cover
Baby Wipes
Toothbrush/ Toothpaste
Game Bags
1 gallon Ziplock bags
Extra TP
Small Allen Wrench set for bow repairs
5 hour energy x4
Camelback x 1
Clothing in pack
Poncho
Hat
Gloves
UA Heat Gear Top
UA Cold Gear Top
UA Cold Gear Bottom
UA Vest
Pants x1
Shirts x1
UA Underwear x1 (extra)
Socks x4 (extra)
Sandals
Post by: high country on August 08, 2011, 12:14:49 PM
I have used this knife on 3 bears, 5 deer and 7 elk. I used to carry big $$$ knives, but this thing does it all. the saw has a blade like your leatherman but longer so it is easy to get through a skull cap, the main blade locks and is typical swiss sharp, there is a gut blade that actually works very well and does not shave the crap out of the hair. I expected to try it and throw it away. I bought them for my friends I was so impressed. I save a ton of weight and lose nothing.
http://www.swissknifeshop.com/shop/swiss-army/sports-outdoors-swiss-army-knives/swiss-army-hunter (http://www.swissknifeshop.com/shop/swiss-army/sports-outdoors-swiss-army-knives/swiss-army-hunter)
I use this sharpener. it is a simple piece of carbide on a stick. you must be mindful when using it, but it is a one pass and done sharpener. light, fast and cheap.
http://www.speedysharp.net/ (http://www.speedysharp.net/)
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 08, 2011, 05:27:32 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on August 08, 2011, 08:53:36 PM
Electrolyte powder (gatorade or powerade) for mixing in your drink bottle occasionally. (Avoids leg cramps from over exertion and dehydration.)
Why the 5 hour energy (duh).... is this really needed?
Post by: Clownbuster on August 08, 2011, 10:43:12 PM
Map
Compass
Garmin Rhino 530hcx GPS + 2-way radio
Rangefinder (maybe)
Sunscreen and lip balm
Biodegradable buttwipe (RV store)
3) Mouth plate calls
1) Lightweight Sitka Core layer
1) Lightweight Sitka Ascent layer
1) Medium Sitka 90% Layer
1) Sitka Downpour Jacket/Pants Waterproof layer
Gloves, ballcap, lightweight beanie/Poly heavy beanie
xtra pair of sox and drawers
Lightweight, waterproof well-worn-in backpacking boots, NOT HUNTING BOOTS
Headlamp, xtra flashlight, xtra batteries
1-4 person First-aid + Survival kit w/Quikclot, suture/syringe/IV kit, Sam Splint, Morphine, Valium, Naproxen & Penicilin
Windproof Lighter
Waterproof container
Fire starter, (usually slobbered-up cotton balls)
Multitool
Knife + sharpener
Wyoming Saw
SMALL roll of Duct tape
JetBoil, 1) 100gm can of Jetboil fuel
1) days ration of MH freeze-dried food per day + one xtra meal (Dont eat much when I hunt, squirrels taste good if starving)
Spoon
1) Clif bar per day
3L Hydration bladder full of H2O & Cytomax
3 packets Cytomax recovery powder (Old muscles starting to get sore)
Water filter + tablets
1 gal colapsible water storage or xtra 3L Hydration bladder
SOL Thermal Bivy (Emergency)
Osprey Aether 85 Backpack (Ive trimmed xtra straps, clips, & misc off for weight savings)
1-person MSR Carbon Reflex 1 tent + maybe the footprint (Depending on where I'm hunting)
Marmot Plasma Sleeping bag
NeoAir Sleeping pad
LOUD Whistle
Measuring cup/Mug
3) 1 gal ZipLock bags
Parachute cord
Tiny Toothbrush
Custom-made meatsacks my wife made me out of Gore-Tex PacLite Material (cuz no one makes 'em...YET!)
Binos
Glock G29 10mm subcompact w/15round fullsize mag on a thigh rig + one xtra mag
Bow
1 'victory' Cuban Cigar
1 Small bag of hard candy (Jolly Rancher, etc...keeps mouth wet while hiking)
Thats my typical list of everything thats in my pack AND on by body at time of trailhead. Most all my gear is ultralight (pack, tent, sleeping bag/pad etc...) Weight of my pack starts in at about 35 lbs for 5 days and gets heavier from there with food, but I dont take but what I feel is the essentials. Hope my list can help but I'm sure its pretty basic compared to what most people take.
Post by: unluckyjohn on August 09, 2011, 02:19:16 PM
We got really lucky and a couple that was packed in by horse brought by some beer, whiskey and olive oil to fry up some of the back strap from my buddies spike.
Post by: adamR on August 10, 2011, 07:42:41 AM
Post by: sticky on August 12, 2011, 01:20:28 AM
Post by: hike2hunt on August 14, 2011, 09:13:52 AM
My number one item is a good sleeping mat.
Post by: hike2hunt on August 14, 2011, 09:23:57 AM
Post by: True Sportsman on August 14, 2011, 10:10:13 AM
If it were me, I would leave the following items:
Pistol
Walkie talkies
Water bottle and filter (you have the camel back already, i'd use water purification tabs, small and light)
space blanket
Flint striker
I would add a GPS. I just bought a Garmin Map 60 CSX, its small light and works great. It is cheap insurance.
As stated already, a good sleeping pad is a high priority, and a good sleeping bag...
You'll find out really quick what you need and what you don't need. Good luck.
Post by: Elkrunner on October 01, 2011, 10:02:30 AM
At this point, I have most items. I do know that I want a new pack and have not decided on my form of shelter or stove yet.
Post by: SniperDanWA on October 04, 2011, 08:11:37 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on October 04, 2011, 09:48:58 PM
-Steve