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Title: Aluminum boats
Post by: THunt on August 10, 2011, 09:00:49 AM: I'm looking into getting a newer boat and wanted to hear your ideas. I want something between 18-22 feet that I can take up lake chelan and fish the Columbia river with. I want aluminum for sure but don't know if the open bow in them is going to be a problem for up lake chelan or out crabbing in the sound. Any ideas or set ups you have would be great.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: Wingin it on August 10, 2011, 10:00:35 AM: A lot of the open bow boats (with windshield) have self draining bows. If you are talking completely open (no windshield) could be a problem in really rough water.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: FC on August 10, 2011, 10:07:15 AM: Completely open would only be a problem if you didn't like getting wet :P
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on August 10, 2011, 01:38:40 PM: Boats like Custom Weld, Thunderjet and Northwest Jet do have bow's that you can bury in a wave and they will porpoise up easily -and drain what remains. That said you can go one further if your concerned and easily have them weld on a top plate over the bow. I've thought of one for my 21' Storm, but have been in some pretty rough stuff and not needed anything more. Go 22' if you can, Chelan can be just as bad as the ocean. If you go 22' with extended transom your really out to 24' and pretty stable in any kind of weather.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: trippledigitss on August 10, 2011, 01:39:09 PM: I want the same kind, an aluminum open bow with windshield. Like an Alumaweld, Smokercraft, I even like the Lunds & Trackers too. They have a sweet 19' Alumaweld Stryker I/O jet at 3 Rivers in Woodinville for 15k - damn I wish I had the money for that!!! The only thing I notice off the bat is that glass boats have much more person/cargo weight capacity and as FC has pointed out before, they ride a bit quieter and smoother especially in rougher water.
Title: Aluminum boats
Post by: THunt on August 10, 2011, 02:22:01 PM: Thanks for your input guys. I have a 16' jetcraft now with the self draining bow but have not had much water over the bow. It's just too small and I would dumb to take that up lake.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: Huntnphish on August 10, 2011, 02:40:19 PM: I have owned a few different versions, a couple things to think about. Get as big as you can afford, what most don't realize is when length is taken out of these boats its taken out of the middle, not off of the ends. What this translates to is much less room inside. When talking about the difference between a 20'er and a 22'er it may not seem like a big difference but when you stand in the middle of the boat you will quickly realize the 2' makes a huge difference.

My last boat I ordered with what they call a "whitewater" bow. Its a closed bow that will not fill up with water when taking waves or hitting whitewater in a river. The open bows drain but not very fast, it adds a lot of weight for a minute or so. One of the big advantages to this besides not filling up is it gives you "A LOT" more storage space, which is huge on longer trips.

I have had this boat in the Columbia, up Chelan to Stehekin, up the Snake, running thin in the Cowlitz and Sky, out in the sound and up the inside passage to Rivers Inlet.

You will not find a perfect boat to do it all well, you trade comfort of ride for running shallow, you trade running shallow for less pounding in waves. Figure out what you plan on doing the most in and decide which you can live without.

Thats Boneaddict fighting a sturgeon, the boat is 22' and he makes it look like a 16'er. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: jackelope on August 10, 2011, 02:50:17 PM: Hey I know that boat.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: Huntnphish on August 10, 2011, 02:51:51 PM: Quote from: jackelope on August 10, 2011, 02:50:17 PM
Hey I know that boat.

You should, thats you standing behind Bone. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: high country on August 10, 2011, 02:53:27 PM: I have an 18' walleye style boat. I have done chelan all the way to stehikin once. my boat took it, but I tried to time the wind too. I ws in some nasty stuff and I can tell you, that a 22' boat would be 1000x better on that lake, she can get down right mean.
Title: Aluminum boats
Post by: THunt on August 10, 2011, 03:02:05 PM: I have all sorts of things to think about now!! So as far as motors go? Is a 115 outboard big enough for a 20 or 22? What about a jet? What about an inboard prop? I see the prices are lower on inboard jets?
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: Huntnphish on August 10, 2011, 03:09:19 PM: You loose about 30% of your power through a pump so keep that in mind.

It really all depends on how you are going to use the boat. If you are planning on running rivers then a prop is out. If you are planning on staying in deeper water then a prop will perform better but you can forget about the smaller rivers, you will still need to be careful on the Columbia because it gets thin with the tide change.

The degree of the bottom will also need to be taken into account. The deeper the V the better the ride through waves but the boat will draft deeper, meaning you need more water to clear the prop and bottom.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: jackelope on August 10, 2011, 03:22:46 PM: Quote from: Huntnphish on August 10, 2011, 02:51:51 PM
Quote from: jackelope on August 10, 2011, 02:50:17 PM
Hey I know that boat.

You should, thats you standing behind Bone. :chuckle:
No it's not. We were out there solo that day...no other boats. I wonder if that was Ray?
The day I was with you, it was Bone, you, myself, Dennis and Big 50CalJim. We're lucky the boat didn't sink with me, Bone and Jim on there all at the same time.
:yike:
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: TONTO on August 10, 2011, 05:11:48 PM: Unless you plan on running skinny water forget about the jet as stated before you will loose horse power/efficiency. Inboard jets are just noisy gass guzzlers. They also do not handle big water worth a damn, you have to be under power in order to maneuver and the lack of a skeg/rutter in the water will cause you to slide off a swell. A 115 is plenty of power for a 20'ish aluminum if you are not trying for anykind of speed record, 150hp would give you more noticable performance however. If you get a steeper bow you should not be taking any water over the front any how, but a simple plywood cutout placed over the bow will prevent this if you are worried about it and is easily removed when not pounding through the ruff stuff, the scupes on the side can always be made larger as well alowing the bow to drain off quicker if water is taken over the bow.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: Huntnphish on August 10, 2011, 06:53:59 PM: Quote from: TONTO on August 10, 2011, 05:11:48 PM
but a simple plywood cutout placed over the bow will prevent this if you are worried about it and is easily removed when not pounding through the ruff stuff

So as not to look like a complete hick, might I suggest a snap on bow cover like this one, should you go the open bow route. ;) Its much easier to stow away when not in use and will not look like you are from Tenino......oops, sorry Charlie. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: Cap.Silver on August 10, 2011, 07:13:13 PM: I had Thunderjet I/O with 175 hp Mercury Sportjet 19' and sold it . The only thing I didn't like were the vibrations and noise of the inboard. I would go with an offshore bracket with outboard also for more space and air seats :chuckle:
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: CAMPMEAT on August 10, 2011, 07:25:52 PM: My buddy is the shipping boss at Hewescraft. Call Clarks in Colville and get pricing on what you want.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: high country on August 10, 2011, 08:02:12 PM: I have the snap on bow cover. I would not travel big water without it handy. My boat wears a 115 HP 2 stroke that I played with and I can pop up 200 lb slalom skiers and full speed is about 55. I used 7 gallons of gas to go up to stehikin and did so in about an hour....pretty good economy. 4strokes are heavier and it is tougher to extract much more power, but they idle better and of course don't smoke. I would want 150 as a minimum 4t outboard on a bigger boat.
Title: Aluminum boats
Post by: THunt on August 10, 2011, 08:38:55 PM: Sounds great the boat I have now is just a little small. Im not sure about the nice bow cover. I'm from the method so the plywood would fit my style! Lol I will do some research and let you guys know what I pull the trigger on.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: PA BEN on August 11, 2011, 06:22:28 AM: http://www.hewescraft.com/ (http://www.hewescraft.com/) :tup:
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: rasbo on August 11, 2011, 06:47:21 AM: of all the boats I looked at on the water,and being an owner of a alumaweld,if I had the money,I would get me a 20ft hewes, a 150 and a 9.9 kicker
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: cohoho on August 11, 2011, 07:06:19 AM: I recently sold my Thunderjet 22 foot Rio, it is a good all around all purpose boat and can run shallow-----BUT any wind waves over an inch will literally beat the living snot out of you. That goes for any jet hull of 12-14 degrees. Jet are designed for shallow use- not open water, yea they can perform in big water safely, but your kidneys, back and cavity fillings will pay the price. But if your intent is rivers and skinny water then you can't beat them..period. But the big inboards come with alot of draw back, weight- if your stuck- your stuck.... I ran some of the skinniest water around in AK with a different boat - Wooldridge 17 foot AK which I have yet to find a better shallow running boat, other than an air boat... Just recently went the opposite direction in boats and got a 23 foot Wooldridge Super Sport Offshore with a 200hp Honda. Man why didn't I do this earlier. Thing handles like a caddy, room for a girls volleyball team and stays on track while anchored like the Queen Mary... What you were looking for- a boat for Lake Chelan and the Columbia is exactly why I now have this boat. I would personally stay away with anything smaller than 20 feet or you'll be trading in very soon, especially if you take more than one extra with at any time. 2 feet is a huge additional to a boat. Good luck in your search...
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: high country on August 11, 2011, 07:13:35 AM: Quote from: cohoho on August 11, 2011, 07:06:19 AM
I recently sold my Thunderjet 22 foot Rio, it is a good all around all purpose boat and can run shallow-----BUT any wind waves over an inch will literally beat the living snot out of you. That goes for any jet hull of 12-14 degrees. Jet are designed for shallow use- not open water, yea they can perform in big water safely, but your kidneys, back and cavity fillings will pay the price. But if your intent is rivers and skinny water then you can't beat them..period. But the big inboards come with alot of draw back, weight- if your stuck- your stuck.... I ran some of the skinniest water around in AK with a different boat - Wooldridge 17 foot AK which I have yet to find a better shallow running boat, other than an air boat... Just recently went the opposite direction in boats and got a 23 foot Wooldridge Super Sport Offshore with a 200hp Honda. Man why didn't I do this earlier. Thing handles like a caddy, room for a girls volleyball team and stays on track while anchored like the Queen Mary... What you were looking for- a boat for Lake Chelan and the Columbia is exactly why I now have this boat. I would personally stay away with anything smaller than 20 feet or you'll be trading in very soon, especially if you take more than one extra with at any time. 2 feet is a huge additional to a boat. Good luck in your search...

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Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: BLUEBULLS on August 11, 2011, 07:11:37 PM: I can't believe nobody's mentioning boats like Lund, Crestliner, etc.

They're made for the wind. Been in tons of rough water with them and they perform well and it's dang hard to spear waves. The newer glass boats, like the Ranger, Skeeter, Yar craft etc. sure ride a lot nicer though. The ride of any deep V beats the heck out of any sled or Semi V.

Never had a need for a cover on front unless you consider back when I had bass boats, filled them plumb full many times :chuckle:
Title: Aluminum boats
Post by: THunt on August 11, 2011, 10:48:43 PM: Ya the hewescraft is really sweet.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: bloodhound on August 11, 2011, 11:25:07 PM: we have a 16 foot lowe walleye style boat and it works pretty good. we use it in the bay and in big lakes. if we did it again we would have bought the 18 ft though and put a little bit bigger motor on it. i would look at the 185fm by lowe. the lowes had the biggest gas tanks of all the walleye style boats and the thickest metal. if your gonna hit the river you really want to keep in mind if your gonna anchor or not. you need a boat that rides higher in the water with taller sides if your gonna anchor in case you catch debris on your rope so you have time to cut away before you sink.
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: MADMAX on August 12, 2011, 07:35:22 AM: I have an 18ft Duckworth after downsizing from a 22ft Hewes
Love it and no regrets going smaller
Title: Aluminum boats
Post by: THunt on August 12, 2011, 01:34:54 PM: Madmax why did you go smaller?
Title: Re: Aluminum boats
Post by: MADMAX on August 12, 2011, 01:57:56 PM: I dropped down for a few reasons.

1) Lack of partners who actually want to go out instead of talk about fishing.
2) Made 4 grand more than I paid for it, got 40K for an 05 Hewescraft 22Ft
3) Easier to launch and recover an 18ft boat myself at the launchs I use on the canal.
4) No more 2 fish halibut limits at Canadian swiftsure bank, so why go way out ?

The 18ft still fishes 3 guys comfortably and the Yami 115 pushes it great at about 40 mph and I love the trolling motor.

I ended buying an 03 HD Road king classic, paying off my Jeep and buying a smaller boat, all for the 40 K, I made off the 22ft Hewescraft, bigger is not always better in my opinion