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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Button Nubbs on August 22, 2011, 06:54:49 PM
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I just saw this documentary last night on the remington 700 series rifles. it was all about how some of the rifles would shoot when the saftey was pushed to the off position, sometimes touching the bolt would cause it to fire and in general problems with the triggers safty (not the x-mark). I was just curious if anyone has had these kinds of problems or is it more of just a media hype thing? I realize you are going to get lemons with anything that is mass produced but this program really blasted remington. Your thoughts?
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When I shot my bear on the 6th with my 700, the gun seemed to go off at a brush of the trigger compared to what it usually takes. I had shot him once and put him down, but he was thrashing a bit so I shot him again and that's when I got the scope kiss on my forehead. It definetley went off before I intended it too, I wasn't completley settled on my target. I thought it was just my excitemeent and adrenaline that made me a little quick on the trigger but now I'm wondering. I've only shot it a few times before then at the range, it was my Grandpa's gun and he gave it to me so i'm not sure if this has happened before.
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Wasn't this funded by some anti-gun group? I thought I heard something like that. I've got Remmy's, and never had a problem with them. Never heard of a problem with Remmy's, until this came out.
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I think a kid got killed and the family was suing. It was a while ago.
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Wasn't this funded by some anti-gun group? I thought I heard something like that. I've got Remmy's, and never had a problem with them. Never heard of a problem with Remmy's, until this came out.
im not sure who it was funded by, but it seemed like it was. i figured someone here would know more about this.
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I have a few remingtons and I want to get another one. Great guns. One of my hunting partners said that his roommate lost his 870 in a river for a whole week. He found it in the river, pulled it out, cleaned it at his room, took it to the range, and shot it, and it still shoots today :tup:
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My model 721 is a 270 that definitely has a light squeeze. That's the way I like it.
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Not use how a person was killed or why you would remove a safety on a loaded gun with a person in front of you. I think it was a bogus claim just to put the screws on a gun maker.
Bought my Rem 700 38 years ago and she still works just fine.
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CNBC is so starved for material they had to dredge up a story from 20 years ago. A classic case of someone throwing gun safety out the window and then sueing the gun company for shooting their son. A gun is a mechanical device. Mechanical devices fail all the time, no matter who manufactures them. I watched CNBC for years, and always wondered where some of the best employees went after a short time on CNBC. They are now prominent employees of FOX NEWS!
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I watched this show +/- a year ago. What I remember of the show is that the rifles fired when the bolt was closed. I don't know who funded the show. My father in law has a 700 that went off one time when he closed the bolt on it. We weren't sure if he screwed up somehow or if it was the rifle. That rifle doesn't get used anymore. That coulda been really ugly...fortunately it wasn't. I feel that we all got lucky that day that he was practicing perfect muzzle control.
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I watched this show +/- a year ago. What I remember of the show is that the rifles fired when the bolt was closed. I don't know who funded the show. My father in law has a 700 that went off one time when he closed the bolt on it. We weren't sure if he screwed up somehow or if it was the rifle. That rifle doesn't get used anymore. That coulda been really ugly...fortunately it wasn't. I feel that we all got lucky that day that he was practicing perfect muzzle control.
always keep your gun pointed in a safe direction
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ALWAYS!
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I have 2 remington 700s and have never had a problem, albeit they both have the new X triggers. i've never heard of anyone I know having a problem. If somebody has a concern with their 700, it's a simple fix--put a Timney or Jewell trigger in it! I know of a few people who put Timney triggers in their 700s just because they wanted a better trigger.
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The old Remington 700 style trigger is probably the most owner adjusted trigger in the country. It is a good trigger and can be easily adjusted right(or wrong). The sear engagement screw, overtravel screw, and the spring tension screw need to be adjusted properly and in the proper order or function will suffer.
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There has been an on going issue involving Remington 700 firing from the Safe position since 1995. They have even admitted there was a problem. Google and read the thousands of forum posts of people with this problem. 710 and others also had the same problem.
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I got my 700 about 1978. The very first year I got and fired maybe 60 to 100 rounds through it, I could no longer close the bolt. I took it to a gun smith promptly. He fixed it for me at no charge and billed Remington. He told me there was too much bluing built up and it was a manufactures defect. I didn’t like the sound of that to much. But after he cleaned it out I have never had any issues. I still love that rifle.
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:)It is an old story. fergitaboutit.
Carl
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I like Remington, my Dad/Grandpa and myself have a few of their guns between us. But Remington did admit that the flaw does exist in some of their 700's and for a while accepted 700's being sent in for a type of repair/modification to the bolt for a $20 plus shipping and handling fee. I wouldn't take it as an anti-gun slam or an anti-Remington slam. I think it's just something to keep in mind when handling a 700. Muzzle control first right?
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I own 3 remington rifles and I never had any such trouble with mine but what I think happened someone messed with the trigger adjustments ...remingtons are easy access for adjusting trigger pull ...there are 2 screws ...one is for adjusting the pound of pull and the other is to take out the creep once you have adjusted the pound of pull ....I do not recommend anyone messing with these two screws unless your a gun smith or know exactely what you are doing ...when i adjust triggers I always slam the bolt shut as hard as I can with the safety off ( OF COURSE WITH NO AMMO IN THE CHAMBER) and if goes off you have it set to light ...but like I said its best to let a gun smith handle it .... :bash:
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I think some on here are confusing the old m700's where the bolt would lock when the safety was on. So to unload the gun, you had to put the safety in the fire position. Remington was modifying these older m700's for around $20 for the shipping/handling, if I remember right they were not charging a fee. Me personally, I like my old Rem the way it is, muzzle control is what keeps it safe when I have the safety off.
I do remember hearing that there was something very fishy about this story, so keep that in mind, no need to dredge up old rumors.
The only rifle I had go off when closing the bolt was actually a pistol, a savage striker. Friend tuned the trigger so light it actually fired when I close the bolt at the range. Scared the pss outta me.
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I've personally seen two teen 700 go off with the safety on and the trigger not touched. I would never own a bolt action rem. One time a friend handed me a 243 rem 700 and it went off!! The nextwas a new one with about 200 rounds Down the tube that went off being set on a sand bag.
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I've personally seen two teen 700 go off with the safety on and the trigger not touched. I would never own a bolt action rem. One time a friend handed me a 243 rem 700 and it went off!! The nextwas a new one with about 200 rounds Down the tube that went off being set on a sand bag.
Do you know the date of manufacture of those rifles?
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I know one was 02 and the older one I have no idea but could look at it and find out
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I have two model 700's. One is a 1965 270 and the other a 1978 7mm. Never had a problem with either.
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There was recentally a court case in which Remington was sued over this. I think it was here in Washington? In the end the court ruled in Remington's favor. I've owned over a dozen 700's in various calibers and models and have never ever had this particular problem with any of them.
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My dad has a rem 700 .300 locked in the gunsafe that will fire when safety is switched to fire. It will also fire when bolt is played with.
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My dad has a rem 700 .300 locked in the gunsafe that will fire when safety is switched to fire. It will also fire when bolt is played with.
Take it to a gunsmith and have him fix it. From what I understand it's a fairly easy fix.
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My sons model 700 30.06 had a problem last year,as he was closing bolt the rifle fired :o
so I tried it and same thing happened :yike: So I cleaned it real good "trigger mech" and no problems since :dunno:
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I have never had a problem...
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I have seen some quality control issues in fit and finish but not much in the safety department. There was one instance where i thought one of them went off(Someone else was handling it with nothing in the chamber) when the safety was flipped off but i was unable to repeat the results even though i spent about an hour beating the crap out of the bolt and safety. It is possible that something was pressing on the trigger.
I have adjusted rem triggers before. I always test them by 100 bolt slams, 100 safety flips, and 100 slams of the but of the gun on the ground. Paint nail polish over the adjustment screw and good to go. My wife gets agitated when i do my testing in the house lol BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG......
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I saw the show on all this about a year ago and looked it up on the web they even interviewed the lead gunsmith for Rem that help create what Rem is now he is like 95years old and he tried to get Rem to change their triggers because it is a bad design. I have a few Rem rifles and I have switched the triggers out. When you have the trigger broke down and explained how it works it well kinda scare you just a little dirt can cause a problem.
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My dad has a rem 700 .300 locked in the gunsafe that will fire when safety is switched to fire. It will also fire when bolt is played with.
Take it to a gunsmith and have him fix it. From what I understand it's a fairly easy fix.
Hard to ever trust a gun that has misfired. I know it won't kill anybody in the back of the safe.
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My dad has a rem 700 .300 locked in the gunsafe that will fire when safety is switched to fire. It will also fire when bolt is played with.
Take it to a gunsmith and have him fix it. From what I understand it's a fairly easy fix.
Hard to ever trust a gun that has misfired. I know it won't kill anybody in the back of the safe.
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Some day, someone will get their hands on it... be it from inheritance or some other means... I couldn't live with that risk.... But that is just me.
I would get it fixed.
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i think the owners of those remingtons had no right to be around a loaded gun if they dont even know that you are supposed to keep a gun pointed in a safe direction. treating the gun as if it is always loaded and not taking the safetty off untill u are ready to shoot. :twocents:
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I watched the same documentary.. Pretty interesting. I havent owned a 700, but know lots of people who do and never heard any first hand accounts of this type of trouble. I had a cheap rem 710 in .270 that never gave me any problems other than keeping the cheap bushnell zeroed in. It really did make me think twice whether I would want a Remington 700 or not, because I wouldnt want a gun that *might* fire without me pulling the trigger. Good thing I dont particularly like the model 700. Would like a model 7 though but not enough to buy myself one.
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guy who camped near me last elk season that had this issue with his rem 700 30-06. said he was sitting at his tree saw a group of elk just b4 as shooting time arrived scoped them clicked off his saftey and BOOOM! he noticed my R700 and warned me of the issue. ive never had an issue of my R700 300 win mag. i clean the *censored* out of it and treat it like my baby and ive never had an issue like this in the 10yrs ive owned it since its been passed down. did some research and became aware of the issue but i still have never had a problem (knock on wood) i just think if u take care of your rifle u wont have a problem with it like i said i clean the holy hell out of it and lube and keep it clean. and no issues
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Here is some info. you can find a lot of that staff on interment.
Remington Model 700 Rifle Defect
The Walker Fire Control trigger mechanism on the Remington Model 700 rifle uses an internal component called a “connector." No other rifle manufacturer uses this design. The connector floats on top of the trigger body inside of the gun, but is not physically bound to the trigger in any way other than tension from a spring. When the trigger is pulled, the connecter is pushed forward by the trigger, allowing the sear to fall and fire the rifle.
The proper position of the connector under the sear is an overlap of only 25/1000ths of an inch, but because the connector is not bound to the trigger, the connector separates from the trigger body when the rifle is fired and creates a gap between the two parts. Any dirt, debris or manufacturing scrap can then become lodged in the space created between the connector and the trigger, preventing the connector from returning to its original position.
Internal documents indicate that Remington was well aware of this problem. In fact, Remington redesigned the fire control for the Model 700 with a newly designed trigger, the X-Mark Pro. That design, which eliminates the connector, was completed in 2002. However, Remington chose to continue with its Walker design for financial reasons, never warning the public. Even today, Remington installs the new fire control into some but not all of its bolt-action rifles, leaving many users at risk with the old and defective design.
In several lawsuits involving Remington Model 700 rifle misfire injuries, the rifle maker has been ordered to pay substantial damages to plaintiffs. In 1994, after a Texas jury awarded $15 million to a man who lost his foot as a result of a Remington Model 700 rifle misfire, the company contemplated issuing a recall and recognized the need to redesign its fire control. However, until it finally introduced a new fire control in 2007 (a design that eliminates the connector), Remington consistently chose to forego a safer design.
After the 1994 Texas verdict, Remington quietly began to settle similar lawsuits. Over the past several years, it has paid out about $20 million to settle Remington Model 700 Rifle misfire lawsuits out of court[/i].
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Guys... Guys! GUYS!!!!
Go to Remingtons website and watch the video they created in response to this liberal Nazi smear campaign. Very informative :tup:
