Post by: buglin4bulls on August 31, 2011, 07:21:16 PM
Post by: wapiti hunter2 on August 31, 2011, 07:23:36 PM
Post by: dawei on August 31, 2011, 07:24:34 PM
Post by: seth30 on August 31, 2011, 07:24:41 PM
Post by: Curly on August 31, 2011, 07:25:19 PM
How would you know that the calf is no longer milking?
Post by: HOYT6.0 on August 31, 2011, 07:54:11 PM
If my freezer were empty...........yes.
How would you know that the calf is no longer milking?
Took the words out of my mouth. Was wondering the same thing???? If it looked like the calf was big enought to fend for itself.... Then yes, I would take the shot. :twocents:
Post by: buglin4bulls on August 31, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
Post by: runamuk on August 31, 2011, 08:01:20 PM
Big fat cow walks in at 20 yards with her calf. Her calf is not milking anymore and is basically on her own but still fallows. Do you whack her? Just want your guys :twocents:if it is thisyears calf I pass....it is not weanedan o its own yet
Post by: William B. on August 31, 2011, 08:02:48 PM
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Post by: Alan K on August 31, 2011, 08:23:12 PM
Post by: 3nails on August 31, 2011, 08:26:42 PM
Whack the calf. :drool: :drool::yeah:
Post by: SniperDanWA on August 31, 2011, 08:28:44 PM
Post by: Grazer on August 31, 2011, 08:38:32 PM
Post by: Hunterman on August 31, 2011, 08:39:53 PM
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on August 31, 2011, 08:41:00 PM
-Steve
Post by: dreamingbig on August 31, 2011, 08:46:54 PM
Post by: lewy on August 31, 2011, 08:48:02 PM
Post by: HOYT6.0 on August 31, 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Not a doubt in my mind that I would let one fly. Why not? If the calf is self-sufficient, she will be just fine on her own. I know that on Tuesday I will be taking that shot if it is presented.
You and Me both.... Weed the week is how I was raised....
Post by: Hunterman on August 31, 2011, 08:52:28 PM
How you gunna feel when your quartering her and the calf's circling you in the brush chirping? Some questions can only be answered for yourself.........
How would I feel?? Been there done that, and would do it again in a heart beat if given the chance again.. In other words wouldn't bother me one bit..
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: 3nails on August 31, 2011, 08:56:31 PM
I don't have a cow tag but I probably would. Cows eat really well. Not much meat on the calf.Only about 2 deers worth! Not even a question for me. That's some good eats. :tup:
Post by: Kain on August 31, 2011, 09:00:26 PM
How you gunna feel when your quartering her and the calf's circling you in the brush chirping? Some questions can only be answered for yourself.........
How would I feel?? Been there done that, and would do it again in a heart beat if given the chance again.. In other words wouldn't bother me one bit..
Hunterman(Tony)
I would be calling my dad over to fill his tag. :tup:
Post by: Alan K on August 31, 2011, 09:03:02 PM
How you gunna feel when your quartering her and the calf's circling you in the brush chirping? Some questions can only be answered for yourself.........
:yeah:
My first deer was a doe at age 8 or so. I drew a doe tag for the Skookumchuck and held for a buck until the afternoon and I had had enough. We spotted two deer (now I know it was a doe and fawn), and not seeing spots on the fawn I thought it was two deer. I remember asking my dad which one I should shoot and he said the big one. Well, she was down right after that, and that fawn sat there and watched us gut and drag off the doe at about 30 yards the whole time. I remember I couldn't believe the thing wasn't taking off, and it dawned on me when I got older. Just looking back on the situation I feel bad. :dunno:
Also, one time during rifle elk a few years back we spotted an elk in some reprod, and because she was on top of a ridge with a little draw behind it we figured there could be more down there. Well we slipped in there and there weren't any more elk. The one we had spotted was just standing there at about 75 yards looking at us. We thought is was weird she wasn't taking off, and thinking she might be sick or injured or something we decided to see how close we could get. Well, we got to about 35 yards or so before she took off, but it wasn't hard. We walked over to where she was, and there was a dead cow down right there. Looking her over we found a bullet hole in the backbone above the guts. All we could figure was someone caught the herd in the reprod there and were banging at a bull and dropped a cow by mistake. Anyways that calf, while I'd put money on it ending up living, was pretty messed up over the loss and I guess I'm a softie but I felt terrible for the thing. :dunno:
Post by: Griz231 on August 31, 2011, 09:09:24 PM
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Post by: PA BEN on September 01, 2011, 05:33:54 AM
I don't have a cow tag but I probably would. Cows eat really well. Not much meat on the calf.I've arrowed two bull calfs over the years. Over 80lb's of boned out veal on each. :tup:
Post by: grundy53 on September 01, 2011, 05:45:08 AM
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Post by: bowhuntersd on September 01, 2011, 07:12:16 AM
Post by: seth30 on September 01, 2011, 07:13:56 AM
I like how so many people on this say "they don't kill cow" or "never taken a cow and never will". Are you kidding me? I thought the point of hunting was to provide meat for your tribe? I guess now a days every thing is so protested and wuss-a-fide it only makes sense. Have fun eating trophy bone, I'm eating meat... Wack'm -n- Sack'm :twocents::yeah: Lots of horn hunters out there.
Post by: Mike450r on September 01, 2011, 07:25:16 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 01, 2011, 07:51:02 AM
I was in the Naches Meat shop dropping off a elk one time and the husband wife team made quite a bit of fun of hunters who brought in small elk. The owner would come through the door with a elk on a cart and say"Look momma they shot a baby and than she would say oh no it still has the nipple in it's mouth" Pretty funny for anyone standing around except the guy shooting it.
Post by: Recurve-Elk on September 01, 2011, 08:02:08 AM
Post by: Recurve-Elk on September 01, 2011, 08:05:31 AM
I'd shoot em both. Got lots of tags to fill!!
Unless you drew some nice multi hunt raffle or something, don't shoot more animals than the amount of tags YOU have. Shooting an animal for your buddy messes with the system and is likely considered poaching.
Post by: Thefisherman83 on September 01, 2011, 08:27:43 AM
Post by: cem3434 on September 01, 2011, 08:27:56 AM
Have passed on the same scenario in the past and will continue to. Not a cow killer, calf or not.
So you wouldn't shoot a cow at all?
Your comment seems to suggests that you are against the harvesting of cows. Its our job as good stewards of the outdoors and conservationist to keep the female population in check. Someone has to do it, but I guess that someone just isn't you. I am not ignorant or oblivious to this fact, so cow or calf would fall if I could make a good, clean and ethical shot on either animal.
With that being said, we have 7 cow permits in our group for MF in Winston. I am hoping we can find a couple mature cows that are calf-less, but the freezer is pretty empty. Come hell or high water, we are going to restock the freezer in November with bulls, cows or calves!
Post by: cem3434 on September 01, 2011, 08:33:00 AM
I'd shoot em both. Got lots of tags to fill!!
That's funny, I'd turn you in!
I'm so glad I didn't give you any information on the White River unit. All that is needed up there is one more ignorant @**hole that kills multiple animals and doesn't give a sh*t about the laws or the other hunters.
Post by: Goldeneye on September 01, 2011, 08:38:02 AM
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Post by: PlateauNDN on September 01, 2011, 08:46:02 AM
How you gunna feel when your quartering her and the calf's circling you in the brush chirping? Some questions can only be answered for yourself.........
How would I feel?? Been there done that, and would do it again in a heart beat if given the chance again.. In other words wouldn't bother me one bit..
Hunterman(Tony)
I'm in agreement with you on this one. I'm all for the meat and I could careless if I harvested a bull or buck as long as I come home with meat. If the scenario was calf circling the whole time or stayed by the gut pile all week then the calf is going to be reunited with it's mother asap! MEAT, it's what's for dinner! :drool:
Post by: seth30 on September 01, 2011, 08:48:01 AM
:yeah:How you gunna feel when your quartering her and the calf's circling you in the brush chirping? Some questions can only be answered for yourself.........
How would I feel?? Been there done that, and would do it again in a heart beat if given the chance again.. In other words wouldn't bother me one bit..
Hunterman(Tony)
I'm in agreement with you on this one. I'm all for the meat and I could careless if I harvested a bull or buck as long as I come home with meat. If the scenario was calf circling the whole time or stayed by the gut pile all week then the calf is going to be reunited with it's mother asap! MEAT, it's what's for dinner! :drool:
Post by: WAcoueshunter on September 01, 2011, 08:49:24 AM
After watching a calf stand by a gut pile of someones harvest for the week while I was hunting bull elk some years ago (They had a cow permit season during the bull hunt). I would need to do some hard study before I would drop a cow. I would need to be very certain she was barren. Elk are herd animals true. I have to tell you this calf would not leave it's momma's gut pile though, there were other elk in the area. Pretty much confirmed I'm a softy. That animal was truly missing it's mother and stayed there through some awful weather.
I've seen the same thing happen a couple times, although not for a week! That would be terrible to watch. Apparently I'm a softy too.
I've taken two anterless elk, both calves. I take the calves primarily because they still provide plenty of meat, and it's the best meat you can get. But watching the calf wait for it's mother to stand up is something I'd like to avoid as well, not to mention the possibility that the calf is not totally weened. I've passed on plenty of does with fawns for the same reasons.
Post by: Recurve-Elk on September 01, 2011, 09:33:15 AM
I'd shoot em both. Got lots of tags to fill!!
That's funny, I'd turn you in!
I'm so glad I didn't give you any information on the White River unit. All that is needed up there is one more ignorant @**hole that kills multiple animals and doesn't give a sh*t about the laws or the other hunters.
My thoughts exactly. I am just hoping he wasn't serious. There are way too many hunters who think its okay to shoot multiple animals, they tag one, then have their buddies tag the others. This messes up the whole entire game management/conservation system. Some people literally think it is LEGAL! Drives me nuts.
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 01, 2011, 09:44:44 AM
I will most assuredly be in the minority; but, I would pass on the shot.
And it is usually not a problem to find more antlerless elk.
Post by: coachcw on September 01, 2011, 09:47:45 AM
Post by: woodswalker on September 01, 2011, 09:53:46 AM
Once a LONG time ago I was where Goldeneye described but with a doe and fawn that was just old enough to have lost the spots. She stayed in the brush circling and bleating....and then stayed over her mother's gutpile. I didnt like the feeling that gave me at all. :sry:
That assumes that all is well in the world. Flip the coin to pure survival...probably take the first thing past the muzzle and eat all i could and smoke/dry the rest.
Post by: buglin4bulls on September 01, 2011, 11:08:07 AM
Post by: cuzsis on September 01, 2011, 11:16:35 AM
We've even had a few cows that dropped late up here. It is unlikely that their calves will make it through winter this young.
I guess it would come down to where I'm at in the season. Early in the season I would probably let them go, and see if I can't track down a better animal.
Late in the season, if I needed the meat, I would take the shot with a weaned calf.
The late calf, even if I knew it wasn't going to make it, I'd probably still let them go. I just don't have the heart to do it. (I mean, maybe if I was starving to death or something, but not regular "fill the freezer".)
Post by: jackelope on September 01, 2011, 12:44:21 PM
I'd shoot em both. Got lots of tags to fill!!
Unless you drew some nice multi hunt raffle or something, don't shoot more animals than the amount of tags YOU have. Shooting an animal for your buddy messes with the system and is likely considered poaching.
It's considered party hunting, which is also illegal.
Stupid comment to make, Bowbender...especially with all the lawmen watching this site.
:twocents:
Post by: Recurve-Elk on September 01, 2011, 01:28:04 PM
I'd shoot em both. Got lots of tags to fill!!
Unless you drew some nice multi hunt raffle or something, don't shoot more animals than the amount of tags YOU have. Shooting an animal for your buddy messes with the system and is likely considered poaching.
It's considered party hunting, which is also illegal.
Stupid comment to make, Bowbender...especially with all the lawmen watching this site.
:twocents:
Ya thats what I thought! Thanks
Post by: BowBender87 on September 01, 2011, 01:51:31 PM
I'd shoot em both. Got lots of tags to fill!!
Unless you drew some nice multi hunt raffle or something, don't shoot more animals than the amount of tags YOU have. Shooting an animal for your buddy messes with the system and is likely considered poaching.
You mean my tag isnt a punch card? And what system are you refering to? The one that is shortening the length of early archery season because early bowhunters harvest to many mature bull elk? F the system.