Post by: Biggerhammer on September 22, 2011, 05:08:08 PM
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EDITED 11/3 , Pictures added.
I posted some pics and story under the " Elk Hunting " forum but thought I would follow up in this post. It was nice to see the project through from start to finish. Have it go from just a idea on the range to a built custom rifle. Load development and bullet selection for the area I was going to be hunting and the distances I would be shooting. Then to take a branched alter bull with the setup was amazing to say the least. In the end it was well worth it.
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The shot was at 300 yards and bellow is a picture of the recovered bullet found just under the hide on the off side. 350gr Speer HotCore just shy of 2800 fps, the recovered bullet weighed 248.4 grains.
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Post by: Woodchuck on September 22, 2011, 05:24:21 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 22, 2011, 05:33:48 PM
Post by: high country on September 22, 2011, 05:51:21 PM
Post by: whacker1 on September 22, 2011, 05:52:19 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 22, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
If you ever want me to test drive that reamer.....I could see me building one of those.
Anytime High Country...
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 22, 2011, 05:58:37 PM
how much does it weigh? Very cool looking set up.
9 lbs before the optics were mounted, haven't weighed it dressed up and loaded yet.
Post by: couesbitten on September 22, 2011, 09:30:21 PM
Post by: high country on September 22, 2011, 09:36:07 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 22, 2011, 09:43:41 PM
How bad do bullets hit the wallet?
Just under $3.00 a piece with the polymer insert tip.
Post by: high country on September 22, 2011, 09:47:39 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 22, 2011, 09:48:09 PM
:yike: Beautiful rifle, looks like a Vortex scope, what rings and bases?
I set this rifle up with what I had on hand at the time. It's a 6.5-20 Vortex Viper with a 20 MOA Weaver base and 6 screw Weaver rings. The rifle alone set me back enough, the optics and mounts will be upgraded in time or I will park glass off of one of my other rifles on it.
Post by: huntandjeep on September 23, 2011, 07:51:49 AM
Post by: deerslyr on September 23, 2011, 09:33:26 AM
Post by: GoldTip on September 23, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on September 23, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
Post by: elkinrutdrivemenuts on September 23, 2011, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: Huntboy on September 23, 2011, 10:51:44 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 23, 2011, 06:30:59 PM
Here is a picture of the barrel break in target, cleaned between every shot. Powder charges 94, 95 ,96 and 97.
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I did the math and came up with 94gr of Win 748 to start with for the 370gr CEB's, Loaded up 9 of them on the range. Fired 3 rounds to get my 200 yard zero. Then I fired two 3 shot groups at 200 yards that went about 2" inches or less for both 3 shot groups(Average Vel 2640) By then the sun was around and directly in line with the target. I had fired 22 rounds total, that was enough for me for the day. I would have taken photos of the 200 yard groups but the range had filled up and I wasn't waiting around for the photo op. Bellow is a better look at the CEB BBW#13 370gr.
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Yes, it does have some SERIOUS recoil, even with the brake. 15' out in front of the rifle the muzzle blast was constantly screwing up the chronograph.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 23, 2011, 07:35:19 PM
Post by: yorketransport on September 23, 2011, 10:45:43 PM
Those bullets have my attention as well. I've never seen anything like that before.
Andrew
Post by: high country on September 24, 2011, 07:23:13 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 24, 2011, 03:26:01 PM
Tomorrow I work on 300 yard scope dope.
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Post by: 50CalJim on September 24, 2011, 03:54:21 PM
Post by: demontang on September 24, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 25, 2011, 03:47:16 PM
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Post by: high country on September 25, 2011, 04:14:37 PM
Post by: demontang on September 25, 2011, 05:41:21 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on September 26, 2011, 12:18:43 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 28, 2011, 03:21:45 PM
Yea that looks painful. And a scope might be a fun thing to find that will stand up to that round. I had a problem with a few scope just on my 338 win.
Post by: high country on September 28, 2011, 05:18:01 PM
Post by: yorketransport on September 28, 2011, 05:40:55 PM
If you haven't already, you may want to consider having top ports milled into the brake. The can make a pretty big differance in shooting comfort. Recoil can be fun, but being beat until you bleed gets old fast.
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 28, 2011, 06:20:28 PM
The Muscle Brakes are good stuff. I have a 3 port on my 338/375 Ruger pistol and I'm having a 4 port put on the 375 RUM improved being built.
If you haven't already, you may want to consider having top ports milled into the brake. The can make a pretty big differance in shooting comfort. Recoil can be fun, but being beat until you bleed gets old fast.
Andrew
Got it covered Andrew, just after I sent the barreled action out. I called and talked to Chris at Benchmark and he said theY would also add ports to the top of the brake.
I don't see how much you can really " Improve" a .375 RUM case considering it's shoulder angle already. Unless you are moving the shoulder forward and removing what little case tapper that is left. There wouldn't be but a small fraction of powder capacity gain.
Post by: yorketransport on September 28, 2011, 08:34:08 PM
Got it covered Andrew, just after I sent the barreled action out. I called and talked to Chris at Benchmark and he said theY would also add ports to the top of the brake.
I don't see how much you can really " Improve" a .375 RUM case considering it's shoulder angle already. Unless you are moving the shoulder forward and removing what little case tapper that is left. There wouldn't be but a small fraction of powder capacity gain.
That's pretty much what I did. Standard AI treatment with the 40 degree shoulder and minimal body taper, and then pushed the shoulder forward about .13". The increase in actual case volume will only be about 8gr. The biggest gain will be from extending the throat by .4" allowing me to seat the bullets (350gr Sierra MK) way out there so that they aren't taking up powder capacity. The rifle is going to be setup as a single shot, so OAL isn't an issue.
Honestly, it will be closer to a 375/404 improved since I'll probably use 404 Jeffry brass instead of RUM brass. The RUM brass needs to be necked up to 40 cal and then back down to 375 to create a false shoulder and fireformed. The 404 is just a neck down and fireform.
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 28, 2011, 08:46:06 PM
Check out buffaloarms.com , they have BELL .404 Jeffery cases, quality stuff for a buck a piece. They are cool, they have no headstamp. I picked up a bunch to use in my 450 Ultra , they are heavier than the Rem brass. The necks are so long and the brass so heavy I'm afraid of crashing my full length 450 die if I try using it to neck them up like I do with the .375 RUM brass. I'm waiting on a #41 shell holder from RCBS(Doesn't use the same shell holder as the RUM cases) then I think I'm going to fire form ten or so by using 18gr of Bullseye then some tissue packed on the powder, fill the case with cream of wheat, then a bit more tissue to hold it all in. Stuff it in and pull the trigger. bam!! Instant 450 ultra case. Load them up and see how they shoot compared to the Rem brass.
Here is a recovered 260gr Accubond that I took from a Eastern WA Mulie shot at 560 yards with a 375 RUM. He was faceing me head on down hill, I hit him center of the chest and found the bullet just under the hide near the pelvic bone.
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My next build I'm having Benchmark do is a 6.5 Badger, a .338 RUM necked down to 6.5 with a 40 degree shoulder.
450 Ultra case left, 6.5 Badger "Go" gauge center and PTG 6.5 Badger reamer on the right.
No turn neck, 150 Free bore 1-30
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Post by: demontang on September 29, 2011, 12:06:23 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 29, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
Beautiful " I want it gun ".
Post by: yorketransport on September 29, 2011, 09:00:45 PM
Check out buffaloarms.com , they have BELL .404 Jeffery cases, quality stuff for a buck a piece. They are cool, they have no headstamp. I picked up a bunch to use in my 450 Ultra , they are heavier than the Rem brass. The necks are so long and the brass so heavy I'm afraid of crashing my full length 450 die if I try using it to neck them up like I do with the .375 RUM brass. I'm waiting on a #41 shell holder from RCBS(Doesn't use the same shell holder as the RUM cases) then I think I'm going to fire form ten or so by using 18gr of Bullseye then some tissue packed on the powder, fill the case with cream of wheat, then a bit more tissue to hold it all in. Stuff it in and pull the trigger. bam!! Instant 450 ultra case. Load them up and see how they shoot compared to the Rem brass.I have about 50 pieces of Norma 404 brass sitting around that I grabbed from the Bargain Cave at Cabelas a while back. They were marked down to $80 because they had been repacked, and I had a bunch of Cabelas points on the card which I cashed in. The way I see it, the brass was free. :chuckle: I've tried necking down a few of them and it's much nicer than forming the RUM brass. Once the barrel shows up I'll get to fireforming with the same recipe you're using. :tup:
My next build I'm having Benchmark do is a 6.5 Badger, a .338 RUM necked down to 6.5 with a 40 degree shoulder.
450 Ultra case left, 6.5 Badger "Go" gauge center and PTG 6.5 Badger reamer on the right.
No turn neck, 150 Free bore 1-30
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The 6.5 Badger sounds pretty cool as well. Are you going to have the barrel Nitrided or treated in any other way so that you get more than 300 rounds out of it before the throat is gone? :chuckle:
Man wish i had the money to play with guns like that :tup:
You may be surprised how reasonably you can build stuff like this. A custom reamer is only about $150, but often you can rent them for around $40. I do most of my builds on Savage actions, so all I need is somebody to thread and chamber the barrel, and I'll install it myself. The cost of rebarreling a Savage can be anywhere from $200-600, depending on who does the work and what barrel maker you use.
Granted, you can spend a lot of money in a hurry. Look at BiggerHammer's build. It's a high quality setup, built by the guys at Benchmark who really know their stuff. It's probably safe to say that it didn't come cheap, but it's a one of a kind gun. That alone can be worth a good chunk of money. :twocents: :tup:
Post by: demontang on September 30, 2011, 07:54:29 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on September 30, 2011, 09:37:36 AM
My daughter is going to be highly undergunned after elk with her 243 this year!!!!! :dunno: :chuckle:
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 06, 2011, 06:39:46 PM
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Post by: demontang on October 07, 2011, 11:19:56 AM
Post by: yorketransport on October 07, 2011, 05:07:55 PM
Andrew
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 07, 2011, 06:10:06 PM
Post by: high country on October 07, 2011, 08:12:29 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 07, 2011, 09:06:40 PM
Is the new brake threaded larger than the old one? I am lost on the set screw.
maybe im wrong but i think that is so that you can index the brake correctly and then tighten the set screw so that the brake wont rotate. so that teh brake doesnt need to be tightened zll the way down to the end of the threads? that is my guess.
that gun is sweet by the way!
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 07, 2011, 09:21:55 PM
Post by: high country on October 08, 2011, 06:28:28 AM
Is the new brake threaded larger than the old one? I am lost on the set screw.
maybe im wrong but i think that is so that you can index the brake correctly and then tighten the set screw so that the brake wont rotate. so that teh brake doesnt need to be tightened zll the way down to the end of the threads? that is my guess.
that gun is sweet by the way!
I was hoping the brake indexed square when bottomed on the tennon.
I would like to here if screw tension on the brake changes poi. I doubt it will, just curious.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 08, 2011, 10:09:18 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on November 03, 2011, 04:59:11 PM