Post by: 7.62Warbird on September 26, 2011, 09:42:18 AM
I shoot a Lazzeroni .308 running a Barnes MRX 165grain or TTSX 150grain. The gun shoot very well on the bench with these bullets but with poor performance and deflection like I got on said deer I'm looking at something different in a bullet.
My thinking is that at almost 3800fps at the muzzle it may be too fast for the solid metal bullet and maybe I should be looking at a bonded lead core. What do you all think? I really like the gun and it shoots 150-165grain much better than 180grain and above. I do like to shoot longer ranges but you never know when that buck is gonna walk out right in front of you within a 100 yards.
Nosler partitions in my 338 Win mag. have always done the job very well but at 215-250grains and only 2800-3000 fps it isn't really the same as my Lazz.
Looking for help from shooters shooting faster than 3300 to 3400fps.
Thanks
Post by: Mike450r on September 26, 2011, 09:53:34 AM
Post by: h20hunter on September 26, 2011, 10:00:26 AM
Post by: Biggerhammer on September 26, 2011, 10:52:14 AM
If you would like me to post the pics, I can find them. Besides the Noslers are themost accurate hunting bullet I have shot, yes I gave up one Bergers and the Noslers have a hi BC. Killed alot of big game with them, as a matter of fact it is the only bullet I've hunted with since they were I introduced.
Post by: Rick on September 26, 2011, 10:57:54 AM
If any bullet is going to hold up and perform correctly,it would be something like what you're already shooting.
Going to something like an Accubond is going the wrong way IMO.
If you hadn't made a poor shot,we wouldn't even be having this conversation would we? :)
Post by: whacker1 on September 26, 2011, 11:03:41 AM
1) a solid bullet like you have now, which like you said is probably moving too fast at that distance to do what you want
2) a bonded bullet that should open up faster, but still retain weight. should cause more damage, but still exit
3) a bullet that will grenade inside the animal. I am shooting a 168 grain berger in my 300 RUM. The berger's reputation is to enter well and then grenade.
I shoot a 140 grain accubond in my .270. I would be shooting an accubond out of my 300 RUM, but I haven't found a load combination that shoots as well as the berger. I am taking accuracy over bullet performance for the time being.
What did the inside of the animal look like? Did you get the liver and the guts, as that is what it sounded like?
Post by: doyourtime89 on September 26, 2011, 11:30:13 AM
Post by: golfguy0912 on September 26, 2011, 11:45:49 AM
As it's been stated, shooting a bullet at that speed could be an issue, but it also sounds like the shot placement is what was a bigger factor in tracking the animal.
Post by: MDGrand on September 26, 2011, 12:49:27 PM
Sometimes, no matter what type of bullet you use, the animal is going to show AMAZING resilancy. That is just a fact of hunting.
That being said, I got a REALLY nice bull a few years ago in UT at 360 yards with my 180 Accubond out of a 300 Weatherby.. Best shot I EVER made.. bullet went in perfect low and behind the shoulder and put a whole about the size of a silver dollar through the heart and lodged in the other side of the rib cage just beneath the skin. But here is the kicker....
When he was hit.. he barely flinched and did NOT drop. The guide who was with me, told me to reload and put another one in him, which I did, this time hitting the shoulder ball socket and he dropped like I kicked the kickstand out from underneath him. He was dead on arrival, but I was amazed at how he did not even act like he got hit.
The following year, I used a 180 grain Trophy Bonded Tip from Federal.. shot a cow elk at about 100 yards.. bullet went through both lungs, albeit a little far back.. She initially dropped but got up and ran again another 100 yards.. I was able to walk up on her again, within 20 yards and unload ANOTHER 180 TBT into her.. this time, right through all the vitals.. she litterally groaned into the air and still not die until a few minutes later.
This last year.. my Muley was shot with a 180 Barnes TSX out of my 300 WSM. one shot, 300 yards through the lungs, he turned to run, went about 5 yards and just fell.. The kind of humane kill we all hope for.
So... I guess what I am trying to offer with these stories.. is sometimes, the animal will live no matter what bullet you bring and how well placed.. they are tough!
If it were me... I would stick with what you have. Accubond, Barnes TSX and Berger VLDs are probably the top 3 bullets you can get.
Post by: Huntbear on September 26, 2011, 01:08:01 PM
The partitions are made for that kind of work... close in, high velocities..
Post by: Atroxus on September 26, 2011, 01:17:13 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on September 26, 2011, 01:44:34 PM
I like the accubond, its what i shoot out of my 270, its 140 grains. I've only killed 3 deer with it, but all my shots have been right around 300 yards, and one at 485 yards. I've recovered a few bullets and i like their performance, the 485 yard shot made it all the way through the buck (heart shot that didn't hit hardly any bone) and the entrance and exit hole were very small, but he only made it 100 yards. I guess this doesn't really pertain to you though because you've got over 800 fps on me at the muzzle :yike:
Post by: wsmnut on September 26, 2011, 01:57:46 PM
Deer was quartering towards her. She was nervous and placed the bullet a bit high and centered on the shoulder.
That bullet ran diagonally through the chest of that doe and expanded to create an exit the size of a quarter or a bit bigger. The deer ran 50 to 60 yards before crashing. Everything in the boiler room was soup like you ran it through a blender. That doe shouldn't have gone three steps! They'll surprise you, but shot placement is everything.
wsmnut
Post by: demontang on September 26, 2011, 02:07:52 PM
Post by: high country on September 26, 2011, 02:17:26 PM
Post by: thinkingman on September 26, 2011, 02:24:40 PM
Call Barnes and ask them what they think.
Personally, I think small deer are too light-skinned and boned to get good performance out of a TSX, especially at that velocity.
I think bigger-bodied game would get more expansion and absorb more energy.
Post by: bobcat on September 26, 2011, 02:25:54 PM
Post by: high country on September 26, 2011, 02:36:48 PM
Call john lazzaroni and ask him. I bet a partition type with a positive stop to limit expansion is as soft as he would suggest for close shots on big stuff.