Post by: high country on October 03, 2011, 05:22:30 PM
This was taken just outside of Headquarters, Id. She is from Pierce and was out archery hunting when she killed this beast. I guess the Wolf was stalking her and she ended up shooting it at like 10 ft away with her pistol. Just a week prior to here killing this wolf a guy I went to school with that lives in Headquarters had 3 of his hounds killed by Wolves while they were on a bear hunt.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i158/ausm7499/303755_196242723782118_100001891757202_458548_608368079_n.jpg (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i158/ausm7499/303755_196242723782118_100001891757202_458548_608368079_n.jpg)
I have been hearing about a lot of close encounters with Wolf's lately and as you can see these dogs are not small. Yesterday one of my hunting buddies who also lives in Pierce was out doing some scouting for a Moose and heard a wolf howl so he howled back at it and ended up calling it into within 10 yards and shot it with his pistol.
Another guy that I went to school with just posted this on facebook
"We took our family vacation this year (August 2011) to the Cedar's area of the North Fork of the Clearwater. On the 2nd to the last night of our 5 day stay we were literally hunted by wolves while sleeping in our wall tent. A loud noise woke us up in the middle of the night, then the kids started crying (1 year old daughter, and 3 year old son). When the kids started crying, it was a trigger to the wolves that were outside of our tent 30 feet away. They began going nuts howling, and we realized they were completely surrounding our tent. We tried to quiet our kids, but all of the noise really had them worked up. We ran the wolves off, and attempted to go back to sleep. Within 10 minutes they were back, and we realized that they were dead set on hunting us, so we slept in our car the rest of the night. At daybreak we tore down camp and came home for our last night of "vacation". Before this event, I only had some skepticism about Wolves hunting people, based on reading many books from Alaska outdoorsmen. But this cemented it."
I didn't pack my pistol at all during archery season but will be from here on out. I think what is happening is that the wolves are exhausting there food supply (primarily elk) and are starting to get hungry and desperate. After hunting for over a week in what use to be some of North Idaho's most pristine elk country its an increasingly sadder story every year, the wolves are decimating the elk herds. We are seeing very few as in a hand full of younger elk and cows. This is because the calf mortality rate is nearly %100 percent due to wolves.
Post by: grizzlyadams on October 03, 2011, 05:36:00 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 03, 2011, 05:36:29 PM
Post by: jackelope on October 03, 2011, 05:38:23 PM
Grizzlyadams-
Check out Washington for Wildlife-upper right corner of the screen.
http://www.washingtonforwildlife.org/cgi-bin/oc/register.cgi (http://www.washingtonforwildlife.org/cgi-bin/oc/register.cgi)
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on October 03, 2011, 05:40:14 PM
Post by: longknife on October 03, 2011, 05:45:46 PM
Post by: Condor58 on October 03, 2011, 09:00:25 PM
Aren't deer populations at record highs? Even though populations drop and rise with nature, when there is a die off, wolves feed on those that could not survive. One more thing, is this incorrect?: http://wildlifecontrol.info/deer/pages/deerpopulationfacts.aspx (http://wildlifecontrol.info/deer/pages/deerpopulationfacts.aspx)
And, does anyone know the population figures for elk and deer (other than "oh my God, they have been decimated by wolves") year over year or where I can find them. I like facts.
As for the "friend on Facebook" if you are going camping out in the wild, there will be wild animals. Don't go camping if you are afraid of wild animals. Maybe the wolves were just curious at this pack that had invaded their territory and were investigating. I think if they were "literally Hunted by wolves" the wolves would have hurt someone.
I had to chuckle when I saw a member named "GrizzlyAdams" say we have to do something about them wolves.
Hey, did any of you read the story about the two guys in Montana who were hunting and one was reported to be killed by the Grizzly that his young (and obviously too inexperienced partner) shot because he thought it was a black bear? Turns out, the grizzly didn't kill the hunter, the young guy accidently shot his buddy while he was trying to shoot the grizzly who was attacking after having been wounded and then tracked. There again guys, if you are going to be "he-men or women" and you go hunting for predators, you run a risk. If you are not willing to face the risk, don't go hunting.
Oh, about the scary wolf population in Washington,
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2011/mar/01/washington-wolf-status-uncertain-pupping-season-looms/ (http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2011/mar/01/washington-wolf-status-uncertain-pupping-season-looms/)
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014352424_wolf28m.html (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2014352424_wolf28m.html)
It would appear no one knows what it is because poachers (and probably some *censored* scared hunters) are killing them when they shouldn’t be. Hardly “hunters” I would want to be associated with.
I can’t wait to see how you guys explain the scary wolf population in WA when the biologists don’t know what it is. Note key word “fledgling” in the article.
Alright, you guys owe me some facts, numbers.
Run, run for the hills, them big bad wolves are a coming granny.
It only takes one person to incite a riot. Amazing how many of you big tough guys feed off each other. To tell you the truth, some of the women hunters I have followed are a lot more level-headed.
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on October 03, 2011, 09:29:13 PM
Post by: bearpaw on October 03, 2011, 09:29:41 PM
Contrary to to the wolf proponents who have offered no science to support excessive wolf numbers, recent history in Idaho, Montana, and Yellowstone has provided all the science to prove that wolves do not fit into our modern environment unless heavily managed. After destroying the herds they are killing each other. Had you read more in the wolf forum board you would be far more informed.
Considering your own philosophy in your post, I would ask why would you (obviously a non-hunter) join a hunting forum?
We all know the answer..... so I am placing you back to reader only status. :chuckle:
Post by: high country on October 03, 2011, 09:35:58 PM
You are likely correct that Montana and Idaho had a freak die off of elk which coincided with a massive increase in wolf population. I would suggest a peek at "Idaho's wolf management and conservation plan" in which you will see the rapid decline in elk population and ironically, the rapid increase in wolves in the same area.....interesting.
Have a peek on page 13 of the study, you will see that wolves kill an average of 1.2 animals per day, and that elk make up the majority of that diet.
Washington does not have the range of Idaho or Montana in terms of space or wildlife. Washington concentrates nearly all of its elk into a few winter feeding areas. If you are familiar with the Sullivan lake feeding station where the bighorn sheep were fed you also likely know that as soon as hounds were no longer allowed to persue the cats that were in the area due to hound hunting being banned, the cougars wiped out the sheep. The feeding had to be stopped and the cats hazed away. Another great west cost plan that looked good on paper, but just killed rare animals. Now, we are going to unleash wolves in the winter feeding and calving grounds for the elk of this state.....if you think they will only kill a couple, you have obviously not toured the st. Joe river in the winter.
The fact is it was incredibly selfish and unrealistic to try to bring wolves to a state that has no where close enough resources to feed them. We are the single highest populated state in the wolf range and 99.9% of pro wolf advocates do not live in an area affected.
Post by: high country on October 03, 2011, 09:44:11 PM
Post by: raekmike on October 03, 2011, 10:34:16 PM
would sure like to see a pick or two of an animal you've taken.
Do you hunt modern, muzzy, or archery? :dunno:
Post by: sebek556 on October 03, 2011, 10:37:21 PM
on serious note you like facts supposedly, then go to the sources Idaho DFW, Montana DFW, Alaska DFW, WY DFW. stop reading your facts from the wolf people.com and get some real information. if wolves are regulated or not in Wa period, then they are not extinct. Oh and on the big tough guy comment you can talk *censored* after you complete ranger school, or a equivalent.
Post by: Rooster1981 on October 03, 2011, 10:56:41 PM
First I will say thats one big darn WOLF :yike: If I saw a wolf that close to me My drawls would still be dripping.
Second I'm sure everyone is entitiled to there opinion Mr. or Ms Condor58, But to go into a forrum and start a ruccuss, you arent going to get your point accross. Yes wolves exist in the west should they :dunno: Do I care what happens to the wolves :sry: I dont. WHen my hounds are getting eaten at the bottom of tree's portecting your loved ones from over populated preditors like lions and bears that are breeding like crazy and arent getting the proper managment. you wont see me crying for a few hundred dead wolves.
Post by: whuppinstick on October 04, 2011, 06:33:49 AM
We all know the answer..... so I am placing you back to reader only status. :chuckle:
While I agree that it appears Condor is an environmentalist masquerading as.. something trying to imitate a hunter (?), he/she did provide some links and almost useful discussion points. At least give him a chance to defend himself and post up pictures of animals he's taken? :dunno:
Post by: jackmaster on October 04, 2011, 06:59:32 AM
Post by: Huntbear on October 04, 2011, 07:00:12 AM
Bearpaw you take all the fun out dealing with these whackos...
I wanted to invite him to go predator hunting with me... he just was not gonna know he was the bait.. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Dhoey07 on October 04, 2011, 07:09:12 AM
We all know the answer..... so I am placing you back to reader only status. :chuckle:
While I agree that it appears Condor is an environmentalist masquerading as.. something trying to imitate a hunter (?), he/she did provide some links and almost useful discussion points. At least give him a chance to defend himself and post up pictures of animals he's taken? :dunno:
:yeah:
Post by: Rick on October 04, 2011, 07:14:19 AM
While I agree that it appears Condor is an environmentalist masquerading as.. something trying to imitate a hunter (?), he/she did provide some links and almost useful discussion points. At least give him a chance to defend himself and post up pictures of animals he's taken?
Its easier just to ban him/her than to have to put on your thinking cap and maybe have a meaningful discussion.
Post by: bearpaw on October 04, 2011, 09:14:54 AM
While I agree that it appears Condor is an environmentalist masquerading as.. something trying to imitate a hunter (?), he/she did provide some links and almost useful discussion points. At least give him a chance to defend himself and post up pictures of animals he's taken?
Its easier just to ban him/her than to have to put on your thinking cap and maybe have a meaningful discussion.
My apologies for taking the mouse away from the cats.... :chuckle:
As jackmaster said, read the hound topic, there is no way to have a meaningful discussion with those types. :twocents:
Post by: mulehunter on October 04, 2011, 09:43:41 AM
funny thread.
Mulehunter. :tup:
Post by: Dave Workman on October 09, 2011, 06:37:05 AM
So, I don't get it....
Yes, that is certainly obvious
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Aren't deer populations at record highs? Even though populations drop and rise with nature, when there is a die off, wolves feed on those that could not survive. One more thing, is this incorrect?: http://wildlifecontrol.info/deer/pages/deerpopulationfacts.aspx (http://wildlifecontrol.info/deer/pages/deerpopulationfacts.aspx)
All the more reason for longer deer hunting seasons and the end to Resource Allocation, allowing hunters more than one opportunity to notch a tag!
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And, does anyone know the population figures for elk and deer (other than "oh my God, they have been decimated by wolves") year over year or where I can find them. I like facts.
Check with the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife & Parks. Don't overlook the Idaho Department of Fish and Game
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To tell you the truth, some of the women hunters I have followed are a lot more level-headed.
Perhaps. The lady in Idaho who shot the wolf dead with her .44 Magnum that I wrote about the other day certainly kept her wits about her, and put her first shot where it counted
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on October 09, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
While I agree that it appears Condor is an environmentalist masquerading as.. something trying to imitate a hunter (?), he/she did provide some links and almost useful discussion points. At least give him a chance to defend himself and post up pictures of animals he's taken?
Its easier just to ban him/her than to have to put on your thinking cap and maybe have a meaningful discussion.
My apologies for taking the mouse away from the cats.... :chuckle:
As jackmaster said, read the hound topic, there is no way to have a meaningful discussion with those types. :twocents:
Trolls, they happen every where
Are his initials D.B.? Sounds like it. That boy's a piece of work.
Link that FB story to the DFW wolf discussion and see what happens....it will be the same.
Post by: jrebel on October 09, 2011, 08:00:11 AM
new it was not because it had a long tail. We heard then many of nights....they were everywhere.
Post by: asl20bball on October 10, 2011, 08:44:15 AM
Aren't deer populations at record highs?
Yes they are...due to 2 reasons (despite icreased human population, lack of open land): 1) lack of wolves over the last 100 years and 2) Game management through hunting seasons, quoatas etc. Both have beyond a doubt proved successful to ensure the health and sustainability of big game herds. Who are you pro-wolf folks to be so ignorant and irresponsible to the natural enviornment to alter this PROVEN formula for success. I really wish you pro-wolf people would see the big picture and not be so narrow and one-minded about wolves alone. You see, it's not JUST about your beloved wolves. Its about ALL animals and the entire ecosystem of which you are attempting to write death verdict to. It just so happens that us "hunters" care about the other animals that you obviosly choose to ignore. Sad!