Post by: Arteman on October 03, 2011, 06:36:30 PM
Post by: GrainfedMuley on October 03, 2011, 06:45:49 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 03, 2011, 06:49:16 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 03, 2011, 06:49:51 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on October 03, 2011, 06:54:09 PM
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Washington Dept. of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
Washington hunters interested in assisting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) with Cougar Management Removals (formerly public-safety cougar removals) have until Oct. 15th to apply for the special permits.
You may apply using the application located at http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/cougar_mgmt_removal/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/cougar_mgmt_removal/) . Applications must be postmarked, or received at the WDFW Enforcement Program Office, no later than 5:00 p.m., Oct. 15th, 2011.
If you have additional questions, please don't hestate. Contact Sean Carrell at 360-902-2926 or Donny Martorello at 360-902-2155.
Post by: Arteman on October 03, 2011, 06:56:04 PM
Post by: Arteman on October 03, 2011, 06:58:25 PM
I received the same email:And........... That didn't take long. LolQuoteWashington Dept. of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
Washington hunters interested in assisting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) with Cougar Management Removals (formerly public-safety cougar removals) have until Oct. 15th to apply for the special permits.
You may apply using the application located at http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/cougar_mgmt_removal/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/cougar_mgmt_removal/) . Applications must be postmarked, or received at the WDFW Enforcement Program Office, no later than 5:00 p.m., Oct. 15th, 2011.
If you have additional questions, please don't hestate. Contact Sean Carrell at 360-902-2926 or Donny Martorello at 360-902-2155.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 03, 2011, 07:00:11 PM
Post by: Arteman on October 03, 2011, 07:10:56 PM
Well.......I be damned ...I got an email to now that I checked ...Thats crazy :rolleyes:See, see I told you! Lol sorry, I didn't have the email to link to the forum, but I knew that the cat would be out of the bag shortly... Or is it the cats in the bag now???
Post by: bearbaito6 on October 03, 2011, 07:19:42 PM
Post by: BENCHLEG on October 03, 2011, 07:27:17 PM
Post by: KillBilly on October 03, 2011, 07:27:47 PM
Post by: Machias on October 03, 2011, 07:27:58 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 03, 2011, 07:49:42 PM
You should all refuse to assist. You know very well that WDFW abuses you. They won't allow you a season, even pursuit only. Yet they expect you to keep your dogs in shape and come running when they call. Stand together and defy them.
I don't have hounds and I agree 100 % with KillBilly. To hell with the WDFW.
Post by: Arteman on October 03, 2011, 07:55:15 PM
This is NOTHING like the past few years, this is a couple of tags, mostly in areas that were not open to hounds before, mostly private property that you can't run anyways because you have to get permission from about 20 different landowners. This is the original Public Safety Cougar removal permits, trust me this is NOTHING to get excited about. :(yeah that was a joke, she caught her a lion on both of her pilot hunts, but that first year removal permit was so unorganized, lots of gates with no keys, small properties that a lion would pass through and be gone in less than a day. I'll stick to Oregons bobcats.
Post by: BENCHLEG on October 03, 2011, 08:02:07 PM
Post by: Rooster1981 on October 03, 2011, 11:12:35 PM
Its hard to say, when the public saftey removal first came out there were lots of tags near or over 100. And then the pilot program came out and the tags dropped down to just a few. Maybee just maybee the wdfw has jumped up the # of tags to compensate for the loss of the piolet program.
I'll put in for it just to see how many tags are being drawn.
Post by: bucklucky on October 04, 2011, 07:50:57 AM
Post by: Huntboy on October 04, 2011, 08:16:55 AM
You should all refuse to assist. You know very well that WDFW abuses you. They won't allow you a season, even pursuit only. Yet they expect you to keep your dogs in shape and come running when they call. Stand together and defy them.:yeah:
Post by: bucklucky on October 04, 2011, 08:25:16 AM
You should all refuse to assist. You know very well that WDFW abuses you. They won't allow you a season, even pursuit only. Yet they expect you to keep your dogs in shape and come running when they call. Stand together and defy them.:yeah:
Exactly!!!
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 09:04:35 AM
I got the email as well.
Its hard to say, when the public saftey removal first came out there were lots of tags near or over 100. And then the pilot program came out and the tags dropped down to just a few. Maybee just maybee the wdfw has jumped up the # of tags to compensate for the loss of the piolet program.
I'll put in for it just to see how many tags are being drawn.
Actually it was the other way around, the Public Safety permits were just a few, then the pilot program they were issuing around 100+ permits.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 04, 2011, 09:15:01 AM
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 09:16:20 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 04, 2011, 09:24:15 AM
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 09:34:04 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on October 04, 2011, 09:36:30 AM
I have a lil different take on this, im very happy that they kept this program going. I think the wdfw prob went through alot of trouble to keep this program alive I thank them for that. I hope they will build on this program and expand our hound hunting opportunitys. As long as we keep the guides out and limit the draw to hound owners only I think this program could really improve in a few years. I know what these tags are like in years, so no need to inform me lol, but I think this program has the potential to provide us with some good chances to run our dogs.
Post by: PolarBear on October 04, 2011, 09:37:54 AM
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 09:41:20 AM
Ha, I hope guys would respect the fact that you need hounds to apply
I have a lil different take on this, im very happy that they kept this program going. I think the wdfw prob went through alot of trouble to keep this program alive I thank them for that. I hope they will build on this program and expand our hound hunting opportunitys. As long as we keep the guides out and limit the draw to hound owners only I think this program could really improve in a few years. I know what these tags are like in years, so no need to inform me lol, but I think this program has the potential to provide us with some good chances to run our dogs.
I hope your right, BUT I think you're going to be sorely disappointed.
Post by: bucklucky on October 04, 2011, 09:47:52 AM
Post by: Houndhunter on October 04, 2011, 09:58:31 AM
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 10:04:08 AM
Keep in mind this is NOT the same as the permits we were able to draw and hunt. This is a depredation type permit from what I gather. When and if they have a problem cat they will contact you and you try and kill that cat that is the problem? ??? I could be wrong but pretty sure that is the deal??? This is the thing they first started years ago, Before the good permits were available.
:yeah:
Post by: trophyhunt on October 04, 2011, 10:04:27 AM
:yeah:You should all refuse to assist. You know very well that WDFW abuses you. They won't allow you a season, even pursuit only. Yet they expect you to keep your dogs in shape and come running when they call. Stand together and defy them.:yeah:
Exactly!!!
Post by: Cowboy on October 04, 2011, 10:51:58 AM
Obviously some areas wont have any quota to be met i assume.
Please tell me if i am understanding that correctly.
Houndhunter, i agree with you, we must keep our foot in the door somehow or they are going to banish houndhunting completely.
Tough call
Post by: Arteman on October 04, 2011, 10:58:07 AM
I know its wishful thinking, but I think our game dept has people that want to use hounds for lion management. I can see them building on this though, and I can only hope they do. The downfall to the pilot program was allowing the public to apply and letting guides take advantage of the opportunity to run there dogs, im positive it would still be around if those two things hadn't taken place. My point is, if we keep the same idea that the pilot program used to have, being that this was for safety and problem cats, I see them expanding this into being like the pilot program we use to have. I'm trying to be optimistic lolWhen the pilot program first started as I'm sure your well aware, one of the requirements was that you had to be a dog owner, however every dog owner was having everybody they knew put in for them in hopes of getting a chance to run their dogs. Loop hole being they write a fake bill or sale, and anybody could be an instant dog owner. Anyways it wasn't tell the last year, maybe last two years of them pilot hunts that you didnt have to be an actuall dog owner. For me I didn't mind it, its about working the dogs, not killing the game. So no matter the shooter as long as the dogs are catching the game its a plus, and if somebody bags their first lion another plus. I had no problem with them letting Joe public apply, it just made the odds of drawing worse is all.
Post by: Rooster1981 on October 04, 2011, 11:00:53 AM
Ha, I hope guys would respect the fact that you need hounds to apply
I have a lil different take on this, im very happy that they kept this program going. I think the wdfw prob went through alot of trouble to keep this program alive I thank them for that. I hope they will build on this program and expand our hound hunting opportunitys. As long as we keep the guides out and limit the draw to hound owners only I think this program could really improve in a few years. I know what these tags are like in years, so no need to inform me lol, but I think this program has the potential to provide us with some good chances to run our dogs.
I agree with you 100% Houndhunter, I watched the wdfw fight like hell to keep the pilot program and sadly it failed. If this is the best we get then I'm all for it. I will support the wdfw and contribute a positive image for houndsman.
Machias I remember very well when the public safety removal permits were over 100 permits the first year then it dropped to 77 then it dropped again to around 25-35. when the permits dropped a very good Friend of mine was working very hard for the WSHC working with the WDFW to get us these permits and it was a big blow to us houndsmen, but soon after the pilot program started and it too had a similar track record starting with alot of permits and then gradually dropping year after year.
But the point is the WDFW needs houndsmen and this is nudge saying we didnt forget you guys and hang in there things will get better. Here is a copy of the application its very much differant than before and it includes the entire state.
WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE
2011-2012 COUGAR MANAGEMENT REMOVALS
Cougar Management Removal Information:
• The permittee must be a Washington State resident dog hunter who, at the time of application for a permit, possesses a valid big game license with cougar as a species option.
• Cougar Management Removals will be conducted from December 1st, 2011 to March 31st, 2012.
• Hunters may use any lawful big game modern firearm, archery, or muzzleloader equipment for hunting cougar.
• The permit holder may be required to give up the Cougar Management Removal permit if he/she violates any condition of the permit or violates other criminal laws while acting under the permit.
• Applicants must apply for a specific Hunt Zone. Up to four (4) Hunt Zones may be listed in order of priority. All applicants will be randomly ranked on a list by Hunt Zone. Applicants will be contacted from the ranked list on an as-needed basis and assigned to hunt in a specific portion of a GMU within their Hunt Zone if needed to address public safety issues or protection of livestock and pets. At this time, the Department anticipates that there will be very few GMUs meeting the requirements for a cougar management removal.
Removal quota system:
• Applicants contacted by the Department for participation in a cougar management removal will be issued a permit to hunt cougar with the aid of dogs in a portion of a GMU.
• The permit holder and all who accompany the permit holder must complete the Department’s Cougar Management Removal education course prior to participating in a Cougar Management Removal.
• To verify the cougar removal season is open or closed in a GMU, the permit holder shall call Olympia WDFW Enforcement Program Office within 24 hours prior to exercising a Cougar Management Removal permit. A permit holder may harvest one legal cougar.
• Permit holders may hunt cougar until the allotted numbers of cougars have been removed from their respective permit area, or March 31st, 2012, whichever occurs is first.
Hunt Area Choices
This is a management removal administrated by a WDFW designated coordinator. Individuals wanting to participate in a Cougar Management Removal apply on a Hunt Zone level and may be contacted on an as-needed basis to conducted removals in specific portions of GMUs within their selected Hunt Zone. Not all permit hunters will be contacted in a given year.
Select Hunt Areas in order of preference
Hunt Area Choice Zone
9030 Coastal Zone
9031 North Cascades Zone
9032 Puget Sound Zone
9033 South Cascades Zone
9034 Okanogan Zone
9035 Chelan Zone
9036 Kittitas-Yakima Zone
9037 Klickitat Zone
9038 Okanogan-Ferry Zone
9039 Stevens-Pend Oreille Zone
9040 Spokane Zone
9041 Blue Mtn Zone
9042 Columbia Basin Zone
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 12:18:49 PM
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 12:26:36 PM
I know its wishful thinking, but I think our game dept has people that want to use hounds for lion management. I can see them building on this though, and I can only hope they do. The downfall to the pilot program was allowing the public to apply and letting guides take advantage of the opportunity to run there dogs, im positive it would still be around if those two things hadn't taken place. My point is, if we keep the same idea that the pilot program used to have, being that this was for safety and problem cats, I see them expanding this into being like the pilot program we use to have. I'm trying to be optimistic lolWhen the pilot program first started as I'm sure your well aware, one of the requirements was that you had to be a dog owner, however every dog owner was having everybody they knew put in for them in hopes of getting a chance to run their dogs. Loop hole being they write a fake bill or sale, and anybody could be an instant dog owner. Anyways it wasn't tell the last year, maybe last two years of them pilot hunts that you didnt have to be an actuall dog owner. For me I didn't mind it, its about working the dogs, not killing the game. So no matter the shooter as long as the dogs are catching the game its a plus, and if somebody bags their first lion another plus. I had no problem with them letting Joe public apply, it just made the odds of drawing worse is all.
I used to think the same thing, hey no biggie, I don't care about killing a cat I just want to work my dogs. Problem is it did not work out that way either. I could never get guys to go on a consistent basis. Once someone got their cat they were done and you can't go out without them. Plus you get folks from the westside drawing a tag (this is nothing bad about the westside guys, this is just reality) They can't afford to come over every weekend and run the dogs, escpecially if they have already got thier cat. You still end up with dogs sitting around not being able to run. It's a flawed system and I am NOT blaming the guys on the westside they have every right to chase cats and want to chase them as much as me, but the reality is 95% of the folks who draw this permit could not go out much and once they got a cat they were pretty much finished. I think the answer is run your dogs in ID if you're lucky enough to get a non-resident permit, chase coons here or go down to OR and chase bobcats. And then if someone needs to go up here take them as much as you can. I don't really see any other choices. I think pursuit only tags would work, but I don't know when or if we'll ever see those.
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 12:31:56 PM
- Applicants must apply for a specific Hunt Zone. Up to four (4) Hunt Zones may be listed in order of priority. All applicants will be randomly ranked on a list by Hunt Zone. Applicants will be contacted from the ranked list on an as-needed basis and assigned to hunt in a specific portion of a GMU within their Hunt Zone if needed to address public safety issues or protection of livestock and pets. At this time, the Department anticipates that there will be very few GMUs meeting the requirements for a cougar management removal.
Post by: whacker1 on October 04, 2011, 12:40:02 PM
this is only for credibility to be able to respond to the public " we at WDFW have a system in place to respond to those problem cats". It is a b.s. maneuver to play c.y.a. to the legislature and counties that face the largest problems with cats.
I think the legislature is part of the problem as they are not interested in making decisions on the hound hunting either. But WDFW could simplify the system by making a general boot hunt from Sept 1. to March 31 with any legal method. It would also give the hunting community a little respect in saying that we understand that you can help us with this problem.
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 01:05:24 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 03:04:19 PM
I don't care about killing a cat I just want to work my dogs. Problem is it did not work out that way either. I could never get guys to go on a consistent basis. Once someone got their cat they were done and you can't go out without them. Plus you get folks from the westside drawing a tag (this is nothing bad about the westside guys, this is just reality) They can't afford to come over every weekend and run the dogs
I posted an offer last season for ANY of you hound guys that wanted to run your dogs, I would be there so you could run them with my tag. I can leave at a moments notice, I have the resources and am willing to tag along just to take pics.
Not one hound guy took me up on it!!!
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 03:19:48 PM
What Unit did you draw?
Stevens/Pend Oreille
Post by: Machias on October 04, 2011, 03:25:17 PM
Post by: bucklucky on October 04, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 03:42:27 PM
Two years ago I sold all of my dogs and all of my gear, due to frustration with the way Hound Hunting is conducted in WA. Last winter, around the middle of Dec I was notified I drew a ID non-resident hound permit. I started collecting gear and dogs again and was ready to go around the middle of Feb. Sorry, I did not see your offer last year or if I did, since I did not have dogs or gear I probably did not give it much thought. Sorry you did not get any offers, I guess it's frustrating for all sides concerned.
I've no doubt you would have Fred. :tup:
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
Post by: Rooster1981 on October 04, 2011, 09:42:41 PM
I think you hound guys are going about this the wrong way. If you wanted WDFW to value you and your hounds more I would be hoping hundreds of non hound owners applied and drew permits. When they go down the list of hunters and can't come up with a guy to go in time because the hunter needs to make arrangements with a hound guy, maybe then they would appreciate you guys a little more. :dunno:
Well that was the big stink with the pilot program, The libral democrats didnt like the guiding for non hound hunters. IF a hound hunter ecepts any money for food gas or any compensation its considerd guiding and if you dont have a buisness licence to guide hunters its illegal. Well thats the way I understand it anyways and I wont take any money for gas or food when I take freinds out hunting.
Post by: time2hunt on October 05, 2011, 04:20:49 PM
Washington Dept. of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
Recently you received an e-mail from the WDFW regarding the open application period for the Cougar Management Removals in Washington State. The application is open only to those Washington hunters who own dogs capable of tracking/treeing cougar. If you are interested in assisting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) with Cougar Management Removals (formerly public-safety cougar removals) with the aid of dogs, you have until Oct. 15th to apply for the special permits.
In the event you have not applied, the application can be located at http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/cougar_mgmt_removal/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/cougar_mgmt_removal/) . Applications must be postmarked, or received at the WDFW Enforcement Program Office, no later than 5:00 p.m., Oct. 15th, 2011. If you already applied and own dogs capable of tracking/treeing cougar, you do not need to re-submit your application again.
If you have additional questions, please don’t hesitate to contact Sean Carrell at 360-902-2926 or Donny Martorello at 360-902-2155
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 05, 2011, 04:25:52 PM
I wish I would have seen that post...I would have loved to take you!I don't care about killing a cat I just want to work my dogs. Problem is it did not work out that way either. I could never get guys to go on a consistent basis. Once someone got their cat they were done and you can't go out without them. Plus you get folks from the westside drawing a tag (this is nothing bad about the westside guys, this is just reality) They can't afford to come over every weekend and run the dogs
I posted an offer last season for ANY of you hound guys that wanted to run your dogs, I would be there so you could run them with my tag. I can leave at a moments notice, I have the resources and am willing to tag along just to take pics.
Not one hound guy took me up on it!!!
Post by: bobcat on October 05, 2011, 04:36:51 PM
Recently you received an e-mail from the WDFW regarding the open application period for the Cougar Management Removals in Washington State. The application is open only to those Washington hunters who own dogs capable of tracking/treeing cougar. If you are interested in assisting the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) with Cougar Management Removals (formerly public-safety cougar removals) with the aid of dogs, you have until Oct. 15th to apply for the special permits.
In the event you have not applied, the application can be located at http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/cougar_mgmt_removal/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/cougar_mgmt_removal/) . Applications must be postmarked, or received at the WDFW Enforcement Program Office, no later than 5:00 p.m., Oct. 15th, 2011. If you already applied and own dogs capable of tracking/treeing cougar, you do not need to re-submit your application again.
If you have additional questions, please don’t hesitate to contact Sean Carrell at 360-902-2926 or Donny Martorello at 360-902-2155
Post by: turnloose on October 09, 2011, 08:43:46 PM