Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: mkcj on July 02, 2008, 12:48:09 AM
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My 18 y/o son wants to buy a gun to shoot at the range and some longer range shooting he is stuck between the 2 of these rounds. What do you all think cost of shooting and things like that.
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I haven't checked prices of the 204 ammo, but I would think it runs around the same price as the 22-250. The long range capabilities of the 204 have been questioned however due to bullet weight and wind drift. I would say over all if there is going to be some long range shooting (upwards of 400+ yards) I would personally lean to the 22-250.
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If he eventually intends to hunt with it, you might step up to a .243, then it would legal for all game. If this is just a range rifle, then I agree that the 22-250 would be my preference also.
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22-250 is legal for Cougars, a 204 is not. that makes my choice for me. If not hunting either are fine.
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Carl
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I have both of these calibers, and I like both of them very much. With that being said, my preferance would be the 22/250. The reason being, less wind drift at longer range, as well as a heavier bullet. My 204 does wonders, but only when the wind isnt blowing. I also second the vote for the .243, or better yet the 260 rem.
Sage
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I have both of these calibers, and I like both of them very much. With that being said, my preferance would be the 22/250. The reason being, less wind drift at longer range, as well as a heavier bullet. My 204 does wonders, but only when the wind isnt blowing. I also second the vote for the .243, or better yet the 260 rem.
Sage
+1 (.260 is a great round)
If you don't reload the cost effectiveness the .223 is hard to beat.
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Please, please will somebody tell me why several experienced gunners that have already answered the original question have stated that the .204 has a problem with wind drift. The wind drift is less with a .204 than a .22-250. The .204 has a better bc in most bullets when compared to the .22-250. It takes 400 yards until the .22-250 equals the performance of the .204. Then it exceeds it past that point. The .204 has a lot less recoil. Watching the impact of a bullet is priceless. The .204 produces less heat because it uses less powder, which means your barrell doesn't heat up as fast, if shooting a large number of rounds.
That being said Bofire is correct that the .22-250 is legal on cougar and the .204 is not. The .223 is cheapest to shoot IF you do not reload, and isn't too far behind these two rounds in performance with a quality bullet. IF you reload the .204 is cheapest to shoot because it uses about 25% less powder.
If you reload and want to look at wildcats, the 20 TAC is tough to beat in the 20 caliber range. For target shooting a 20 BR is amazing, but best loaded one round at a time because of the steep shoulder.
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We have a 243 already I think he will mostly range shoot and use for yotes and chucks we do not reload at this time but would like to in the future and we have a bushmaster 223 but this will be the first gun he buys himself I got him a tikka t3 in 300wsm for christmas last year so thats his deer and elk gun but to much to shoot that on the pocket and shoulder.
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of the two, i would take the 22-250.. but id much rather have a swift!
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22-250 would be my choice but as already suggested... may wanna consider the 220 swift, also a 20 cal great shooter.
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I would take the 22-250, but I would rather have a Remington .17 Mach IV :chuckle:
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Well its not in the same cat but cant believe the accuracy Jay and Catwith bumps get from a .17 HMR :IBCOOL:
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My .223 is only 100fps slower then the 204 but it loses speed a little faster. I have a .204 right now and its a shooter but it sits in my safe when I go out. I would go with the 22-250, they are a blast to shoot and are just as flat shooting as the .204 out to 400yd then it takes over.
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Thanks everyone he has been reading this and is going with the 22-250 when he gets it and puts a scope on I will make sure he posts a picture
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I own a 22-250 and love it! What make and model is he considering? I bought a rem. 700 sps. Bull barrel satin black. It makes a great varmint gun and you can use it in Montana for big game though I would shy away from shooting anything other than antelope and varmints. I paid $600 for mine at kesselrings and it had a $50 mail-in rebate on it. G.I. Joes has had them for $550 and it seems there is a rebate for them everyother month or so check Remington's website if that's what you decide to go with. I smoked my antelope with mine last year and I love it! At Kesselrings you can buy 40 rnds for about $27. I'm sure you can find them for even cheaper.
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I think he is set on the Remington 700 VTR he likes the look of that we need to look into that a little bit further
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I also own the VTR but in 308. I was going to sell my SPS to get the VTR in the 22-250 but decided to keep the SPS. When I was looking fro the VTR 22-250 I had a horrible time locating one, not to get your hopes down. The VTR is a great little brush gun with the 22'' barrel on it but it is loud with the ports up front. Leopold VXL 2.5-10x45 with the 30mm tube is what Ive put on the VTR. On my SPS I put a VXIII 6.5-20x50 with the 30mm tube. It also has the varmint hunter reticule on it. With that varmint hunter reticule you can dial you scope in with pinpoint accuracy because it is built basically for a 22-250. Check it out on Leupold's website. Your first crosshair is set at 200 then the next several are for 3,4, and 500 yards. It also has windage dots for up to 20mph cross winds.
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The 243 loaded with 55 nosler BT is serious coyote medecine. 223 is hard to beat for for ammo availability, and cost. I have both, never had a 204, had a Browning B-78 22-250 and a bull barreled M77 22-250, sold both, wish I still had the B-78...
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we have a gun with muzzle brake and that's what were afraid of the noise at the range with the VTR he is also looking at the Tikka t3 varmint it's about the same price as the Remington. scope sounds nice though will look into that one
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I just signed up and had the same problem. Ended up with the buying a Remington model 788 in a 22-250, I love the older rifles. you can see my post on Primos web site and check out the response i got. good hunts!
http://cabinchat.primos.com/index.php?showtopic=44864
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Like the Howa varminter, submoa weatherby, and tikka's. They all shot very well and are on the cheaper side of the rifles out there.
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I had a howa that shot awesome but was alittle on the heavy side. has anyone visited ther web site the have a new model I think called the ranch rifle that seems pretty sweet! JB
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get the 204.
i usually untill recently would have said the 22-250. but i just went out and shot a friends 204, and Boy oh boy......love it! wierd caliber, but it was awesome!
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It sounds like your kid would be better off with the 22-250.
However I would rather have the 204 myself. I like the idea that there is usually less recoil and the scope doesn't jump me off target with the 204. That way I can see the impact of the round very clearly. Not to mention I already have a .223
