Post by: jgrimes on October 04, 2011, 11:34:03 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 04, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
You could see if they still have CMP going on and if there is one in your area.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 04, 2011, 11:53:48 AM
http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp (http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp)
Also, here are ten tips for rifle accuracy:
http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2010/09/23/shooting_tips_10_tips_accuracy/ (http://www.rifleshootermag.com/2010/09/23/shooting_tips_10_tips_accuracy/)
Have fun and be safe.
PMAN
Post by: FC on October 04, 2011, 12:44:11 PM
Post by: Huntboy on October 04, 2011, 01:07:21 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 04, 2011, 03:19:19 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 04, 2011, 03:53:28 PM
Post by: jgrimes on October 04, 2011, 04:44:58 PM
I'd recommend you start with a rifle in 308 Winchster. Well, possibly after the 22 rimfire. But for a centerfire cartridge that will work for long range shooting, that's what I'd get. Low recoil, accurate, and low priced ammunition- you can't beat it.
That's the kind of system that I'd like to set up. What do you think of the 300 WSM or a 7 mm cartridge?
Post by: FC on October 04, 2011, 06:17:26 PM
That's the kind of system that I'd like to set up. What do you think of the 300 WSM or a 7 mm cartridge?
Both are good cartridges, both kick harder and both cost 5 times as much or more to shoot than a 308 unless you are reloading.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 04, 2011, 06:21:32 PM
I'd recommend you start with a rifle in 308 Winchster. Well, possibly after the 22 rimfire. But for a centerfire cartridge that will work for long range shooting, that's what I'd get. Low recoil, accurate, and low priced ammunition- you can't beat it.
That's the kind of system that I'd like to set up. What do you think of the 300 WSM or a 7 mm cartridge?
All three mentioned are excellent cartridges, the best " Long range " cartridge is a matter personal opinion or experience. Allot of cartridges that are great for shooting paper don't do so well for a hunting situation at extended distances where a little more horse power would be optimal. You have to start somewhere, can't go wrong with a .308 win. If you then decide you would like a bigger cartridge. You could up grade or for that matter have the .308 bolt face opened, Sako extractor installed and the chamber re cut to .300 WSM. the standard 12 twist of the .308 barrel will still shoot the 168 real well with a .300 WSM chamber.
I have a .308 Win Rem700 PSS I have had since 1990 that I'll be sending to Benchmark to have re chambered and re worked to .300 WSM. After the factory barrel is shot out, I will have Bench mark re barrel it with one of their own in who know what?
Post by: huntnphool on October 04, 2011, 06:52:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 04, 2011, 07:37:49 PM
There are some really knowledgeable people there, including John Barsness.
Post by: Helix on October 04, 2011, 08:32:17 PM
Once you master the .22 move up to a .223 remington or a .308 win but don't be in a hurry to move beyond minor calibers. If you jump to calibers with major recoil (even 308) before you master the techniques of trigger control, followthrough, breathing control, and sight picture you will develop bad habits of flinching and the whole expreience will become counter productive.
Post by: high country on October 04, 2011, 08:48:45 PM
Do not skimp on your scope. For long range shooting at game, I like a true mil dot as it can be a effective range device and offers hold over points too.
About the time you get ballistic hold over correction figured......you can learn how to dope the wind.
Post by: SniperDanWA on October 04, 2011, 09:04:57 PM
Hunt with 30-06
Hunt 12ga
Sport shoot 22
Sport shoot 12ga
Sport shoot PSE compound
Post by: Curly on October 05, 2011, 08:27:00 AM
http://rbrosrifles.com/gallery-rifles.php (http://rbrosrifles.com/gallery-rifles.php)
Maybe a 7 WSM with a break on it would fit the bill........
There is a forum specifically for long range hunting/shooting that you may want to read thru: http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/ (http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/)
Post by: Nape.257 on October 05, 2011, 10:01:28 AM
The first step to LRHing is how far do you want to shoot and what are you going to shoot at.
Things u will need.
Reloading equipment for accuracy and consistency.
A ballistic program mine is on a itouch (knight armerment and ballistic FTE to name few)
A weather station kestrel 3500 or better barometric presser is what it needs.
Range finder lica and swaro are good ones.
Scope plan on spending $800+ on a good one, I like MOA one with an MOA reticule and MOA turrets will make thing ez.
Mose guys want a rifle that shoots 1/2moa meaning 3inch three shot groups at 600yards or 5inches at 1000. Which is why most guys go custom. I wish I had right out of the gate.
LRH.com is a good site search for the thing you want to know.
Post by: jgrimes on October 05, 2011, 10:43:57 AM
Post by: Curly on October 05, 2011, 10:59:29 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 05, 2011, 11:50:53 AM
I'd like to get a system that will put me back about $2500. Is that a reasonable budget? Anyone here put together a rig for around that?
:tup:
Post by: Bofire on October 05, 2011, 06:05:34 PM
Carl :chuckle:
Post by: Helix on October 06, 2011, 05:44:19 PM
Thanks to everyone for their input. I like the 22 lr approach for working on the parts of shooting that I can control since I have very little experience behind the scope. I've checked out a number of the long range forums that you guys have suggested and they are loaded with tins of great info. I'd like to get a system that will put me back about $2500. Is that a reasonable budget? Anyone here put together a rig for around that?
You can do well with this size budget. you should check out http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/ (http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/models/)
The savage law enforcement series especially will get you in a Very accurate heavy contour barrel without breaking the bank and then you will have $$$ to spend on glass. For this type of build consider spending as much on glass as the rifle... Unless you go custom rifle then more for the rifle... you might consider a fluted barrel as well, not for accuracy advantage but to speed cooling. if you are spending the kind of range time you need to to get these skills it will be more fun if your rifle can cool more efficiently. I like the savage 10 FCP Mcmillan and 10 FCP HS precision, and the 10 precision carbine. I've shot the 10 BA which is very accurate but way too heavy for a hunting rifle.
For glass consider first: Nightforce NSX, then maybe vortex razor HD, then a Vortex viper PST if you want to spend a little less. you could also look at balistics compensating custom turrets but they are not needed. you can actually dope your own turets and mark the range on them in a piece of masking tape.
For a scope of this quality and to do this job, expect to spend $1K or more and make sure you get turrets that match the substentions in your reticle (MOA/MOA or MIL/MIL) I like MIL/Mil in my Vortex. this will allow you to measure the difference between point of aim and point of impact and make real time adjustments to your turrets. I also recomend getting a first focal plane reticle meaning the substentions in the reticle will work for ranging at any magnification without a conversion formula.
At a thousand yards+ the quality of your glass will make the difference between not being able to see your target and hitting it. Also I would look for a scope with at least a 4:1 power factor like a 6-24x50mm. this will allow you to spot your target on a lower power then zoom in to a higher power. If you don't have that low power end you will not be happy as you will see something in the spotting scope then never be able to find it in the rifle scope because your field of view will be too small. you should also consider getting a spotting scope with substentions that match your rifle scope. This way if you work with a spotter they can call corrections to you that you can read in your reticle without converting anything.
Post by: Helix on October 06, 2011, 05:50:32 PM
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