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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Qaib Thai on October 07, 2011, 05:08:48 PM

Title: AMMO Problem??
Post by: Qaib Thai on October 07, 2011, 05:08:48 PM: so i went to the range today using remington core lokts and hornady superformance. started off with core lokts to sight in my gun since i just got a new scope and the ammo was cheaper. once it was sighted in i switched over to some hornady superformance and shot a couple rounds then all of a sudden after one of the shots the bullet didnt come out. i took my key and got it out. shot like 3 more hornady rounds and they all were getting stuck switched over to core lokts again and no problem. also when i took out the hornady bullets i saw that at the edge of the bullet it was bent and even on one of them was broken off. i looked at the remington rounds and they seem to be angled a little bit to but not getting stuck. so i was thinking that it was either the bullets or the gun but leaning towards the trigger hammer of the gun or something thats in the gun. could possibly be the thing that pulls the ammo back out since my 30-06 is semi-automatic. any ideas posted some pics so you guys see what im talking about.
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: Qaib Thai on October 07, 2011, 05:13:23 PM: dunno how to make pics smaller size to big enough for 1 pic..
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Post by: 270Shooter on October 07, 2011, 05:50:06 PM: Dude those are bullets those are the cases. And it sounds like thos superperformance rounds are too hot for your semi auto. Thats why the remingtons work better in your gun.
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: madmack76 on October 07, 2011, 05:55:30 PM: way to hot for your rifle and now you probablly have a messed up extractor
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Post by: cwuwildcat on October 07, 2011, 06:12:18 PM: Are the remington's that you shot before the hornady's damaged also, or just the remingtons you shot after the hornady's. If the first ones you shot were damaged, you already had the problem before the hornady's ever made it into your rifle. They may have magnified the issue but didn't cause it. On the other hand, if the first remington's fired had no damage, then yes it was probably too much pressure on the hornady's and when the semi-auto extracter tried to pull them it couldn't because they were jammed in there.
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: FC on October 07, 2011, 06:32:27 PM: Quaib is that my imagination or is the primer pushing out on the case on the far right in that first pic? It looks like the cases are sticking in the chamber of your rifle and the extractor is ripping a chunk out.

I would contact Hornady about this and see if you can't get a refund or replacement for that ammo, looks like a good idea to stay with the Remington and make sure the chamber in your rifle is clean.
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: lokidog on October 07, 2011, 07:00:47 PM: Quote from: FC on October 07, 2011, 06:32:27 PM
Quaib is that my imagination or is the primer pushing out on the case on the far right in that first pic? It looks like the cases are sticking in the chamber of your rifle and the extractor is ripping a chunk out.

I would contact Hornady about this and see if you can't get a refund or replacement for that ammo, looks like a good idea to stay with the Remington and make sure the chamber in your rifle is clean.

Definitely looks like too much pressure shoving those primers and expanding the case tightly into the chamber.
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Post by: Hilltop123 on October 07, 2011, 07:03:41 PM: over pressure? Does the hornady box say anything, certain firearms that should not shoot this ammo???
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Post by: madmack76 on October 07, 2011, 07:29:52 PM: those super performance rounds are way to hyped up to be shooting out of a auto loader
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Post by: G.R.K on October 07, 2011, 09:07:50 PM: Here's a little info.

http://www.hornady.com/ammunition/superformance-in-gas-operated-firearms (http://www.hornady.com/ammunition/superformance-in-gas-operated-firearms)
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: dannysdaddy on October 07, 2011, 09:32:38 PM: heres how a gas operated semi auto works. theres a port in your barrel that allows gasses to travel back to the bolt and push it to the rear. there is then a spring that pushes the bolt forward stripping the next round and seating it in the chamber. when the round goes off the case in turn swells up. if the bolt is forced to the rear before the case has a chance to shrink back down it will rip the side of the case exactly as your pictures show. this is common with people who shoot carbine length ar15s and steel cases. I would doubt your extracter is damaged. keep to the lower pressure rounds and you should be just fine. im not sure how your buffer system works but i know a lot of guys will run a heavier buffer in their ar's to help slow the system just enough to keep this from happening.
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: Huntbear on October 07, 2011, 09:38:23 PM: Way to hot for that gun...

Is that a 7400? Bad juju shooting hyper performance rounds through them...

Browning BAR is another animal all together, and would probably be safe...
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: Qaib Thai on October 07, 2011, 10:06:06 PM: Quote from: dannysdaddy on October 07, 2011, 09:32:38 PM
heres how a gas operated semi auto works. theres a port in your barrel that allows gasses to travel back to the bolt and push it to the rear. there is then a spring that pushes the bolt forward stripping the next round and seating it in the chamber. when the round goes off the case in turn swells up. if the bolt is forced to the rear before the case has a chance to shrink back down it will rip the side of the case exactly as your pictures show. this is common with people who shoot carbine length ar15s and steel cases. I would doubt your extracter is damaged. keep to the lower pressure rounds and you should be just fine. im not sure how your buffer system works but i know a lot of guys will run a heavier buffer in their ar's to help slow the system just enough to keep this from happening.

Dannysdaddy sounds like your probably right. if the extractor was damaged it wouldnt be extracting the corelokts. i wont be using hornady rounds anymore and i get better groupings with the corelokts anyways. dont know if it makes a difference but my 30-06 is an old woodsmaster model 742. could possibly be since its an old gun but its in good condition and everything is lubed up.
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: Huntbear on October 07, 2011, 10:09:19 PM: Quote from: Qaib Thai on October 07, 2011, 10:06:06 PM
Quote from: dannysdaddy on October 07, 2011, 09:32:38 PM
heres how a gas operated semi auto works. theres a port in your barrel that allows gasses to travel back to the bolt and push it to the rear. there is then a spring that pushes the bolt forward stripping the next round and seating it in the chamber. when the round goes off the case in turn swells up. if the bolt is forced to the rear before the case has a chance to shrink back down it will rip the side of the case exactly as your pictures show. this is common with people who shoot carbine length ar15s and steel cases. I would doubt your extracter is damaged. keep to the lower pressure rounds and you should be just fine. im not sure how your buffer system works but i know a lot of guys will run a heavier buffer in their ar's to help slow the system just enough to keep this from happening.

Dannysdaddy sounds like your probably right. if the extractor was damaged it wouldnt be extracting the corelokts. i wont be using hornady rounds anymore and i get better groupings with the corelokts anyways. dont know if it makes a difference but my 30-06 is an old woodsmaster model 742. could possibly be since its an old gun but its in good condition and everything is lubed up.

You are way over pressure in that old gun..... wonder it did not come apart on you....
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: Qaib Thai on October 07, 2011, 10:28:47 PM: been doing some research on my gun and seems like its a common problem in the remington woodsmaster model 742. sounds like cleaning the gun after 6-7 rounds due to burnt and unburnt gun powder left in the chamber causes the case to get stuck and the extractor ripping a piece of the rim apart
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Post by: high country on October 08, 2011, 07:05:09 AM: Call hornady, they did overcook some ammo. They will make it right......besides their answering machine is awesome.
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Post by: marlin on October 08, 2011, 12:10:22 PM: yeah Im suprised you didnt get a bursted case and a face full of hot gas.. I bought a box of the cheap steel cased .308 from Cabela's and one of the cases splt when I shot it.. It scared the hell out of me when I got hot gas in the face shooting a bolt action. I threw the whole box of ammo away and decided I wouldnt shoot anything except my own reloads out of there!
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: dannysdaddy on October 08, 2011, 12:40:14 PM: I highly, highly doubt the gun would come apart due to that round being shot. 99% sure it was exactly what i described before and just stick to the normal rounds. this happens a lot to the semi autos. besides if you need that much more power just step up a few calibers!!! gives you ammo to get the go ahead from the wife :hello:
Title: Re: AMMO Problem??
Post by: hookr88 on October 08, 2011, 04:49:30 PM: Check out the post "warning" below. Somebody else had some issues with Hornady superformance ammo in a bolt action.