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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: 3dsheetmetal on October 09, 2011, 02:05:57 PM

Title: All lead bullet
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on October 09, 2011, 02:05:57 PM: Has anyone have any experience with the Precision QT Polymer Tip bullet.I have had trouble with expansion on the copper jacketed bullets and think I might try all lead again.
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: bobcat on October 09, 2011, 02:23:30 PM: I have the same bullet except without the plastic tip. Problem is I haven't shot any game with them so I can't say how well they work. But I've read a lot of good reports and I'd trust them before I'd trust a Powerbelt.
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: Dirty Mike on October 09, 2011, 08:58:07 PM: Top two best muzzy bullet ive shot
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: Dirty Mike on October 09, 2011, 08:59:05 PM: Top three best muzzy bullet ive shot
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: HntnFsh on October 10, 2011, 05:35:23 AM: Ive have read somewhere that polymer tips on m/l bullets are just a gimmick amd serve no useful purpose. Havent done any testing to verify though.May hhave been a Chuck Hawk article
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: CHUCK S on October 14, 2011, 07:10:39 AM: When I hunted muzzy I shot a solid lead hollow point in my TC. It was the most accurate of any bullet I shot. I want to say it was a "Buffalo Bill" or Buffalo Balls( that just sounds wrong). I would shoot the smallest bullet I could find, I want to say it was 180 grain. It was basically a 45 colt bullet. I was hitting a 6 inch sign at 174 yards open sights with it. It also only took one shot to the chest of an elk to drop it in its tracks with 150 grains of powder.
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: Blsum on October 14, 2011, 09:34:35 AM: I'm pretty sure that its precision that makes the Dead Center bullet. If I was going to go back to all lead bullets that's what I'd shoot. I shot an elk a few years ago and he didn't go far after shooting him. Plus I could get much better accuracy out of them then I could the Powerbelts.
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: 3dsheetmetal on October 14, 2011, 12:33:59 PM: Yeah it is precision who also makes the dead center. Shot a deer a few years ago with one and it completely destroyed the liver.
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: Mike450r on October 14, 2011, 12:44:22 PM: I have used them on 2 elk and 2 deer. Very accurate very deadly. recovered one from a cow elk, it mushroomed nice and held together very well. penetrated through and left a nice bulge on the the offside hide, thats how i found it.
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on October 27, 2011, 04:54:26 PM: All 4 in our hunting party used them early season for mule deer. We were using the Dead center double duplex 175 grain or 195 grain. Everybody got one and all the shots had complete pass through at the following ranges: 82yds, 100yds, 150yds and 270yds. All were smaller 2 X 3 mulies.

I would prefer more expansion but the flat shooting and the shots to kill ratio speak for themselves.

Wish I could get my dang pictures to post on here :bash: :bash:
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: shooter581 on November 02, 2011, 07:12:57 AM: Pay attention to the twist of your barrel. If you have a slow twist barrel the all lead bullets will stabilize, where some conical and sabots will not. Good luck.
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: scudmaster on November 02, 2011, 07:21:47 AM: I used one on an elk in 2009. According to Precision they are a harder lead compound and are designed for pass through penetration (to enhance bleeding/tracking), not expansion. This was verified on my 2009 cow. Shot it at 135 yards and the bullet exited. (only ML bullet I did not find on the far hide. Very accurate out of my gun, for what that is worth.
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: Skillet on November 02, 2011, 07:41:08 AM: Quote from: shooter581 on November 02, 2011, 07:12:57 AM
Pay attention to the twist of your barrel. If you have a slow twist barrel the all lead bullets will stabilize, where some conical and sabots will not. Good luck.

Not sure if I understand this comment - is there a conical out there that isn't "all lead"?
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on November 02, 2011, 11:12:10 AM: Quote from: Skillet on November 02, 2011, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: shooter581 on November 02, 2011, 07:12:57 AM
Pay attention to the twist of your barrel. If you have a slow twist barrel the all lead bullets will stabilize, where some conical and sabots will not. Good luck.

Not sure if I understand this comment - is there a conical out there that isn't "all lead"?

I don't remenber the brand but remember seeing full bore copper conicals recently. They had a cup on the bottom that would expand upon firing to seal the bore much the same as powerbelts disc does. Maybe somebody can refrence this one for me?
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: Sabotloader on November 02, 2011, 12:40:25 PM: Quote from: Skillet on November 02, 2011, 07:41:08 AM
Quote from: shooter581 on November 02, 2011, 07:12:57 AM
Pay attention to the twist of your barrel. If you have a slow twist barrel the all lead bullets will stabilize, where some conical and sabots will not. Good luck.

Not sure if I understand this comment - is there a conical out there that isn't "all lead"?

Yes there is a all copper Thor and a lead copper Hornady FPB
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: scudmaster on November 03, 2011, 08:59:33 AM: Quote from: shooter581 on November 02, 2011, 07:12:57 AM
Pay attention to the twist of your barrel. If you have a slow twist barrel the all lead bullets will stabilize, where some conical and sabots will not. Good luck.

Twist rate is not based on bullet composition as much as the ratio of weight, length and diameter. As a very general rule you need a faster twist rate for heavier bullets. They are longer which changes the ratio length to diameter and distributes more weight father from the rotational axis of the bullet. Heavier bullets need more force to spin and generally have slower velocities. Slower speed results in lower RPMs out of the muzzle for a given twist rate.

With sabots you change the ratio of length to weight yet again and all copper changes it even more.

ML's designed for shooting round ball have a slower twist rate 1:48" or slower. For heavy conical bullets they are generally 1:48" or faster.

Here is a link on how to determine twist rate:

http://www.prbullet.com/twist.htm (http://www.prbullet.com/twist.htm)

And a chart on appropriate bullets weight for various twist rates:

http://www.prbullet.com/chart.htm (http://www.prbullet.com/chart.htm)

This is just for Precision's bullets, but you can see the general trend is heavier bullets = faster twist. Hope this does not confuse you more.

Scud
Title: Re: All lead bullet
Post by: gadwall on November 03, 2011, 09:50:55 AM: Take a look at the new Harvester polymer tip bullet, Scorpion PT gold. Harder than the Precision rifle bullets and just as accurate or better.