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Title: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Evoac05 on October 11, 2011, 06:26:39 PM
I was looking in the regs under small game and I couldn't find squirrels/sage rats/prairie dogs and other similar varmints listed anywhere. Are they open for hunting? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Goldeneye on October 11, 2011, 06:29:35 PM
Squirrels are pretty restricted I know.  They are in the regs.  Look closer...

Pulled this as a starting point for you.

Legal Status


Because legal status, trapping restrictions, and other information about squirrels change, contact your WDFW Regional Office for updates.

The Western gray squirrel is classified as a threatened species and cannot be hunted, trapped, or killed (WAC 232-12-007). The red squirrel, Douglas squirrel, and Northern flying squirrel are protected species and can be trapped or killed only in emergency situations when they are damaging crops or domestic animals (RCW 77.36.030). A special permit is required in such situations.

The Eastern gray squirrel and Eastern fox squirrel are unclassified and may be trapped or killed year-round as long as you have a hunting license. In such cases, no special trapping permit is necessary for the use of live traps. However, a special trapping permit is required for the use of all traps other than live traps (RCW 77.15.192, 77.15.194; WAC 232-12-142).

It is unlawful to release a squirrel anywhere within the state, other than on the property where it was legally trapped, without a permit to do so (RCW 77.15.250; WAC 232-12-271).
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Kain on October 11, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
Lots of unclassified wildlife that are not in the regs that you can hunt. 

Skunks, porcupine, opossum, moles, mountain beavers and others

then there are invasive species like:  house sparrows, starlings, Eastern grey squirrels, fox squirrels, nutria, bullfrogs, rock doves that can all be hunted.

I have not been able to find a list of all the unclassified wildlife in this state.
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: bullchaser on October 11, 2011, 10:04:32 PM
Their is a list of unclasified animals that can be shot i will try to find. EI yellow bellied marmont, starlings.
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: bush_beater on October 11, 2011, 10:18:17 PM
I've heard they grey squirrels are not indigenous and they are pushing the native browns out-so i :guns: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Chukar on October 11, 2011, 10:43:00 PM
While FW does not do a great job of describing who can be scoped and not,  it does not take much energy to find out what is shootable in a legal sense.
Plenty of "squirrels" are off the list. Golden Mantles, Chipmunks, Douglas Tree for example.  And some are considered threatened species. Washington Ground and the Western Grey 
No such thing as a sage rat. Or a buzzard. Or rodent described as a "Dog".
WAC 232-12-011 is a good start.
Cool site this is but sometimes... Lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-yous...and a lotta strands in the old Duders head.
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: flinger on October 11, 2011, 10:50:04 PM
best i can find
Pg 132 of the 2009-2015 WDFW game management plan
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: KenPCPilot on October 12, 2011, 04:58:37 AM
It looks like it is legal to hunt shrews but how in the hell are you going to find a taxidermist that will mount it for you. 
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Evoac05 on October 12, 2011, 09:07:06 AM
Thanks everyone for all your input. I do remember reading that the western grey was off limits, just couldn't find that section in the regs when I went to look again. Thanks again, I just wanted to make sure I could shoot certain legal small game.
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Kain on October 12, 2011, 09:23:03 AM
Thanks everyone for all your input. I do remember reading that the western grey was off limits, just couldn't find that section in the regs when I went to look again. Thanks again, I just wanted to make sure I could shoot certain legal small game.

The only tree squirrels you can hunt in WA are Eastern greys and Fox Squirrels.  All the others are protected.

Here is the info you need to have before you try hunting any squirrels in this state.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_squirrel/ (http://wdfw.wa.gov/conservation/gray_squirrel/)

Washington For Wildlife polled member of this site and a majority wanted a hunting season opened on the non threatened species. (Douglas and Red squirrels)  WFW sent a letter requesting changes to the small game season and included a season on squirrels.

Read attach letter below


Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: geodoc on October 15, 2011, 08:06:48 PM
Gophers!  I hate gophers!
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: crowinghen on October 16, 2011, 09:31:33 AM
MOLE hunting...hmmmm
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Practical Approach on February 04, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
After reading this thread it appears that Nutria can be hunted legally.  Is there someone that can point me to where I can find that in writing?  I didn't find anything very helpfull on the WDFW website. 

Are there seasons?  I suspect since it is an invasive species that if there are not any shooting restrictions where you live then you could shoot them anytime?????


Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: bobcat on February 04, 2013, 10:23:12 AM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/nutria.html (http://wdfw.wa.gov/living/nutria.html)
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Practical Approach on February 04, 2013, 10:27:59 AM
Thanks, but I already read that.  It talks about trapping.  Even mentions shooting them works on small populations, but I didn't see any reference to hunting seasons or lack therof.

Need something in writing to prove to a friend that it is ok for him to shoot them when he sees them. 
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Bob33 on February 04, 2013, 10:30:04 AM
I do remember reading that the western grey was off limits, just couldn't find that section in the regs when I went to look again.
It's already been posted but here it is again: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-011 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-011)
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: runamuk on February 04, 2013, 10:33:18 AM
After reading this thread it appears that Nutria can be hunted legally.  Is there someone that can point me to where I can find that in writing?  I didn't find anything very helpfull on the WDFW website. 

Are there seasons?  I suspect since it is an invasive species that if there are not any shooting restrictions where you live then you could shoot them anytime?????


Thanks for the help.
scroll up it is listed in unclassified wildlife unless you want them to start charging for tags or setting seasons I'd just accept that list as your proof...it is legal they are invasive and they are nasty
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Bob33 on February 04, 2013, 10:36:36 AM
it is listed in unclassified wildlife unless you want them to start charging for tags or setting seasons
:yike: I can see it now: Quality Nutria, Disabled Nutria, Age 65 and Older Nutria....
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: bobcat on February 04, 2013, 10:37:19 AM
I do remember reading that the western grey was off limits, just couldn't find that section in the regs when I went to look again.
It's already been posted but here it is again: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-011 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-011)

Bob, did you realize the post you replied to is 1 year and 4 months old?   :)
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: bobcat on February 04, 2013, 10:38:31 AM
it is listed in unclassified wildlife unless you want them to start charging for tags or setting seasons
:yike: I can see it now: Quality Nutria, Disabled Nutria, Age 65 and Older Nutria....

It would NOT surprise me! Hopefully Dave Ware doesn't read this thread.   :bash:
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Bob33 on February 04, 2013, 10:42:32 AM
I do remember reading that the western grey was off limits, just couldn't find that section in the regs when I went to look again.
It's already been posted but here it is again: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-011 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=232-12-011)

Bob, did you realize the post you replied to is 1 year and 4 months old?   :)
I do now.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: If it is not listed in the regs, does it mean you can't hunt it?
Post by: Practical Approach on February 04, 2013, 10:43:09 AM
Thanks for the help.
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