Post by: big wood on October 19, 2011, 05:10:02 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on October 19, 2011, 05:11:18 PM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on October 19, 2011, 05:24:40 PM
Post by: 500 long on October 19, 2011, 05:28:11 PM
Post by: boneaddict on October 19, 2011, 05:29:42 PM
Post by: CedarPants on October 19, 2011, 05:44:47 PM
An officer told me it is not illegal to feed deer or elk. Check the trail cam photos, most show apples on the ground.
WDFW officer? Just curious on the background behind that ....
Post by: huntnphool on October 19, 2011, 05:47:04 PM
just wondering if it is legal. I cant find in the regs that it is or isn't
Yep, legal to bait deer and call it "fair chase" but illegal to use a lumenok, go figure. :chuckle:
Post by: CedarPants on October 19, 2011, 05:51:03 PM
Post by: h20hunter on October 19, 2011, 05:54:39 PM
Post by: buckfvr on October 19, 2011, 05:59:21 PM
Post by: 500 long on October 19, 2011, 06:02:32 PM
An officer told me it is not illegal to feed deer or elk. Check the trail cam photos, most show apples on the ground.
WDFW officer? Just curious on the background behind that ....
A multitasking sheriff. Also a hunting buddy of mine.
Post by: longknife on October 19, 2011, 06:05:57 PM
Post by: muzzlebuck on October 19, 2011, 06:06:20 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on October 19, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
just wondering if it is legal. I cant find in the regs that it is or isn't
Yep, legal to bait deer and call it "fair chase" but illegal to use a lumenok, go figure. :chuckle:
Pope and Young does not address this in their "Rules of Fair chase", I guess some of it has to be common sense? However back to the original post, as stated legal, maybe not ethical in some opinions.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 19, 2011, 06:19:36 PM
Post by: 500 long on October 19, 2011, 11:48:14 PM
Post by: PolarBear on October 19, 2011, 11:54:44 PM
Post by: huntnnw on October 20, 2011, 12:00:57 AM
Post by: 500 long on October 20, 2011, 12:36:14 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 20, 2011, 12:38:58 AM
Post by: buck man on October 20, 2011, 12:43:35 AM
I raise beef cattle so yes, I do feed my family better than that.Save the beef for guests and feed the family elk and venison :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: huntnnw on October 20, 2011, 12:53:39 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 20, 2011, 12:54:54 AM
Post by: 500 long on October 20, 2011, 01:03:28 AM
Post by: huntnnw on October 20, 2011, 01:09:41 AM
Post by: PolarBear on October 20, 2011, 01:10:07 AM
Post by: NWBREW on October 20, 2011, 03:10:58 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on October 20, 2011, 08:32:38 AM
I raise beef cattle so yes, I do feed my family better than that. And to me tag soup is much more rewarding than shooting a deer over bait. I hunt for the challenge not just to fill a tag or "the freezer". These guys that spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on feed for wild game and claim it is all in the name of "feeding their family" are kidding themselves. If it is legal and you thing, knock your self out just call it what it is and stop kidding yourself and stop telling everyone how hard you "worked" for that animal.
Do you hunt from a treestand? How you feel about bait is how many hunters feel about "ambushing" those poor helpless animals from treestands. Afterall its not natural to the environment and success more often than not relies more on the efforts of good scouting than the hunt itself. There are some people in the NE United States who follow the Benoit family methods who believe tracking a deer is the purest method of hunting the animal. They see it like this:
Treestand: Scouting/Ambush
Baiting: Scouting/Ambush
Stillhunting: Scouting/Walking Slowly
Spot & Stalk: Scouting/Optics/A light foot
Driving: Scouting for Knowledge of escape routes
Tracking: Hunting the animal down
Of course they do recognize there is some degree of skill in each of these things. Some more so than others. I can't disagree with that.
Do I agree with them as a whole? No...but I can't argue that there is probably no purer way for a man to truely hunt an animal than cutting a track and following it to conclusion himself.
PB by now we all realize that you are the bowhunting master and hunt in the purest since of the tradition. We are mere mortals who bait and don't do any "work" for our animals. Yours is the truest form. :kneel: :chuckle: :bash:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on October 20, 2011, 08:57:22 AM
Post by: Hyde on October 20, 2011, 08:59:23 AM
Post by: h20hunter on October 20, 2011, 09:14:31 AM
I'm all for any legal means of hunting and try and support those that follow the rules and guidelines.
Post by: CedarPants on October 20, 2011, 09:16:39 AM
Post by: buckfvr on October 20, 2011, 09:30:09 AM
SO, if one was to hunt a private ranch where stock is being fed.......wouldnt that amount to the same thing ? I think so........ Deer and elk that you see on the farms and ranches are there for the feed........take away the alfalfa, and the animals move.
Given the option, I'd take baited venison over beef every day of the week. Venison is healthier and far more of a challenge than cattle, even if its baited.
Post by: PolarBear on October 20, 2011, 09:31:36 AM
Post by: Wile E. Hunter on October 20, 2011, 09:47:00 AM
Wile E.
Post by: PolarBear on October 20, 2011, 09:54:23 AM
Very well said!
You said what I believe but apparently am not able to convey.
Post by: bearpaw on October 20, 2011, 09:56:29 AM
I have no problem with Polar bear's attitude of holding out for the deer he wants, or not filling his tag. I also have no problem with people baiting deer since it's legal here in Washington. If you want to hold out for the deer you want it doesn't make you an elitist, it makes you disciplined. Does that mean that a guy that shoots a legal doe, or a "dink" buck over bait undisciplined? No. It just means that different people have different goals. Some hunters' goals are to fill the freezer, and a year old "dink" buck does nicely for that, and he/she should be proud of it. Other hunters want to pursue a different class of animal for the challenge, and are going to work harder, and will potentially go home without an animal at all. Neither one is wrong. Neither is necessarily an elitist nor undisciplined. As long as it's legal, both are well within reason for me. :twocents:
Wile E.
An extremely well defined post... I totally agree.... :yeah:
Post by: sirmissalot on October 20, 2011, 09:58:34 AM
I don't really care how other people want to hunt. If I kill a 2 point blacktail I've worked my tail off and pack it out in pieces on my back, and you kill a 4 point in your apple trees and haul it to the barn with a tractor, who is going to have a better sense of accomplishment? Thats up to the hunter I guess, I know which one I'd choose.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on October 20, 2011, 10:20:44 AM
Apparently you fans of baiting are the only ones allowed to have an opinion on hunting methods and anyone who disagrees is an "elitist". I guess that I enjoy the thrill of using outdoors skills such as tracking, reading and deciphering sign, knowing how to read the land and where the critters are more likely to be, etc over artificially drawing them into an area. But hey, I guess I am an elitist tearing apart the fabric of the brotherhood of hunters for wanting to be more of a traditionalist. :dunno: As I have said time and time again. if baiting is your thing, knock yourself out and long as it is legal. It just ain't for me and yes, I am entitled to my opinion on the subject.
It's statements like this that result in you being called an elitit: "just call it what it is and stop kidding yourself and stop telling everyone how hard you "worked" for that animal"
We realize that you are the hardest working hunter in WA and respect that. :kneel:
The fact that you don't personally don't prefer baiting as a hunting method does not make you an elistist. The fact that you have an opinion on baiting doesn't make you an elitist. However the fact that you put yourself out there as above fellow hunters that do bait makes you an elitist. Oh praise the mighty PB and his mad hunting prowess: :kneel:
Post by: PolarBear on October 20, 2011, 10:23:38 AM
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on October 20, 2011, 10:24:52 AM
I have no problem with Polar bear's attitude of holding out for the deer he wants, or not filling his tag. I also have no problem with people baiting deer since it's legal here in Washington. If you want to hold out for the deer you want it doesn't make you an elitist, it makes you disciplined. Does that mean that a guy that shoots a legal doe, or a "dink" buck over bait undisciplined? No. It just means that different people have different goals. Some hunters' goals are to fill the freezer, and a year old "dink" buck does nicely for that, and he/she should be proud of it. Other hunters want to pursue a different class of animal for the challenge, and are going to work harder, and will potentially go home without an animal at all. Neither one is wrong. Neither is necessarily an elitist nor undisciplined. As long as it's legal, both are well within reason for me. :twocents:
Wile E.
:yeah: I agree too.
Post by: DBHAWTHORNE on October 20, 2011, 10:27:20 AM
:chuckle: Hypersensitive much? :chuckle::chuckle: Haha...no..just explaining that your assessment that one is called an elitist simply for having a differing opinion is not the case. You and I have :beatdeadhorse: on this many times... It looks like its that time of year again. :chuckle:
Post by: Bard Skye on October 20, 2011, 11:30:34 AM
So, just what's the "purest" form of hunting?
I don't have an answer for that.
Just the legal definition.
If anyone wants to get riled up, let's go after the dude that, after letting off a half dozen shots, says, "I *think* I got him in the ass."
And I'll admit, I haven't taken very many bucks in my life, over bait or otherwise. My personal hunting ethic requires one shot, one kill. If I don't think I can get that, I pass on that buck.
Just my 2 cents.
Skye