Post by: Huntbear on October 26, 2011, 12:32:48 PM
Condit Dam was blown today, and with all the sediment released, and the inter tribal fishing taking "their share" of future salmon runs, not going to be much available for us working folks to have memory making excursions there anymore.
I fished at the mouth there many times, caught some good fish, lost some better fish...
A link to the live video feed.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/10/condit_dam_breached_by_pacific.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/10/condit_dam_breached_by_pacific.html)
Post by: beagledog on October 26, 2011, 04:45:01 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 26, 2011, 04:53:38 PM
http://blip.tv/yakimaherald/video-from-the-condit-dam-breach-5679941 (http://blip.tv/yakimaherald/video-from-the-condit-dam-breach-5679941)
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 27, 2011, 07:48:18 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 27, 2011, 08:00:55 AM
Well, I hope you have all your memories of fishing the White Salmon well filed and put away.
Condit Dam was blown today, and with all the sediment released, and the inter tribal fishing taking "their share" of future salmon runs, not going to be much available for us working folks to have memory making excursions there anymore.
I fished at the mouth there many times, caught some good fish, lost some better fish...
A link to the live video feed.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/10/condit_dam_breached_by_pacific.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/10/condit_dam_breached_by_pacific.html)
All due respects, I'm not sure about your post being correct, Hunbear. The whole purpose of this is to improve salmon runs down the road. The power has been replaced by Bonneville, so there's no loss there. I don't see a negative here.
Post by: runamuk on October 27, 2011, 08:05:05 AM
I am all for more natural rivers we really need to restore the columbia .....and returning them but not without having some idea of the impact both immediate and future :dunno:
Post by: quadrafire on October 27, 2011, 08:08:12 AM
What do you think it will do for the fishing in the next few days until the debris stream settles out?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 27, 2011, 08:16:29 AM
Post by: predatorpro on October 27, 2011, 08:18:15 AM
Post by: runamuk on October 27, 2011, 08:25:55 AM
The federal licensing process is pretty tough. I am 100% sure the utility went through the ringer in this planning process and blew the dam at the right time of year, right flows, and with fish loss in mind. The silt will settle out pretty quickly and the White Salmon has the hydraulic capacity to cut a natural channel and look pretty good in a hurry. I think it will be quicker than most people would expect.
thats all good and well but why couldnt they answer those simple questions? that bothers me when all they seemed to know was it was environmentally friendly :dunno:
My stepmom writes EIS she does studies and I was exposed to this process while growing up I am not naive to what is involved ....I realize many think I am just an ignorant blonde sometimes....but I wanted to hear how this would impact the area and they did not have any answers.....much like the people supporting grizzly recovery in the cascades who stand fast to their 20 grizzlies in the state...and how we need more hate to tell them we have more lots more...its this stuff that bothers me...people see the glossy flyer with a pretty picture and a happy fish and buy the whole thing hook line and sinker....wild salmon and steelhead runs are great for the people allowed to catch them ;) she didnt have any answers for that line of questioning either....
Post by: Wazukie on October 27, 2011, 08:26:45 AM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on October 27, 2011, 08:35:26 AM
Post by: runamuk on October 27, 2011, 08:37:40 AM
i wouldn't worry too much about temporary silt flows. just look at the toutle river after st. helens blew. the south fork eventually cleared up(and it runs gin clear now), the north fork is muddy because the corps of engineers built a retention dam that prevents the silt from getting washed downstream.
just curious how long did it take to clear the silt in that instance does anyone know?
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 27, 2011, 08:43:58 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 27, 2011, 08:45:28 AM
its all a waste of tax payers money...
Apparently, building the dam in the first place was the waste. We didn't need the power.
Post by: cannon-master on October 27, 2011, 09:02:01 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 27, 2011, 09:04:26 AM
to bad after the river gets back to normal and fish are returning they wont let anybody fish above the hwy 14 bridge thats not a native american enrolled in the yakima indian nation tribal fishing only on the white now. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Yes, that blows.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 27, 2011, 09:17:14 AM
http://www.pacificorp.com/es/hydro/hl/condit.html# (http://www.pacificorp.com/es/hydro/hl/condit.html#) runamuk- here is a link with a TON of info about the removal. The sediment plan does not have a timeline, but it has some cool info about flows, headcuts, banks...
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 27, 2011, 09:21:04 AM
I'm sorry this is not what some want to here but it is how I feel and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 27, 2011, 09:52:06 AM
Sorry for the answers but in my eyes this is a really good thing. When I was younger I used to hear my grandfather tell stories about fishing that river prior to the dam being built and he along with many others championed for the dam to be removed. The cemetary that is near there is where his side of the family is buried and his last surviving brother was buried there but due to the weather he was not able to be buried in his family cemetary but along the river none the less. I used to drive him up to that area at least twice a month so he may relive his childhood and I wish he was still alive today to see the removal of this dam. I have one surviving elder, my grandmother and she was born and raised along the klickitat river and in this particular area and to hear her happiness about the removal of this dam made me proud but, her happiness turned to sorrow as she remembers her older brother who did not make it to see this day.That's great- I think it's a good thing too. Using common sense and removing a few of the lower production dams is ok. Hopefully with fish ladders and other tools we can have fish/power/wild rivers for everyone to enjoy.
I'm sorry this is not what some want to here but it is how I feel and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: boneaddict on October 27, 2011, 09:55:20 AM
Post by: Special T on October 27, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
PS i realize that sealions were not an issue since there was no ladder on that dam.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 27, 2011, 11:02:51 AM
Wasn't this done with corporate money? Remove the 100 year old dam or build fish ladders that went up 125 feet.its all a waste of tax payers money...
Apparently, building the dam in the first place was the waste. We didn't need the power.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 27, 2011, 11:05:13 AM
Wasn't this done with corporate money? Remove the 100 year old dam or build fish ladders that went up 125 feet.its all a waste of tax payers money...
Apparently, building the dam in the first place was the waste. We didn't need the power.
Correct. I believe it was 35 million by the corporation to remove the dam and they said it would cost more than twice the amount to put in the ladders so for them it was cheaper to remove.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on October 27, 2011, 11:08:41 AM
Wasn't this done with corporate money? Remove the 100 year old dam or build fish ladders that went up 125 feet.its all a waste of tax payers money...
Apparently, building the dam in the first place was the waste. We didn't need the power.
Bingo
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 27, 2011, 11:32:04 AM
Post by: oldcamper on October 31, 2011, 06:16:14 PM
Post by: Huntbear on October 31, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
to bad after the river gets back to normal and fish are returning they wont let anybody fish above the hwy 14 bridge thats not a native american enrolled in the yakima indian nation tribal fishing only on the white now. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
Again... us "non natives" get screwed.
Post by: swampman on October 31, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
to bad after the river gets back to normal and fish are returning they wont let anybody fish above the hwy 14 bridge thats not a native american enrolled in the yakima indian nation tribal fishing only on the white now.
Again... us "non natives" get screwed.
Ficken communists! They won't be happy till all the dams are down!
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 31, 2011, 06:54:03 PM
to bad after the river gets back to normal and fish are returning they wont let anybody fish above the hwy 14 bridge thats not a native american enrolled in the yakima indian nation tribal fishing only on the white now. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:cannon master where do you get this info from? Me and my brother used to pack sack lunches and disapear all day playing on those side hills west of the dam, when the salmon were running we spent hours watching them stack up in front of the dam thinking what a waste.
Post by: 270Shooter on October 31, 2011, 07:23:54 PM
to bad after the river gets back to normal and fish are returning they wont let anybody fish above the hwy 14 bridge thats not a native american enrolled in the yakima indian nation tribal fishing only on the white now. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:are you serious?
Post by: Yak-NDN on October 31, 2011, 07:27:04 PM
to bad after the river gets back to normal and fish are returning they wont let anybody fish above the hwy 14 bridge thats not a native american enrolled in the yakima indian nation tribal fishing only on the white now. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:cannon master where do you get this info from? Me and my brother used to pack sack lunches and disapear all day playing on those side hills west of the dam, when the salmon were running we spent hours watching them stack up in front of the dam thinking what a waste.
sounds like he is talking chit to me.
Post by: blacktail luv on October 31, 2011, 08:25:26 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on November 01, 2011, 04:54:11 AM
to bad after the river gets back to normal and fish are returning they wont let anybody fish above the hwy 14 bridge thats not a native american enrolled in the yakima indian nation tribal fishing only on the white now. :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:cannon master where do you get this info from? Me and my brother used to pack sack lunches and disapear all day playing on those side hills west of the dam, when the salmon were running we spent hours watching them stack up in front of the dam thinking what a waste.
sounds like he is talking chit to me.
:yeah:
Post by: Huntbear on November 01, 2011, 07:05:27 AM
According to the people I talked to about the dam, the natives will be able to net the river above the Hwy. 14 bridge, so that means taking WILD fish that no one else can even take out of the water for pictures. No one will be allowed to fish above Hwy 14 EXCEPT "natives". So yes, us "non natives" get screwed. IF the Yakamas were truly concerned about restoring the wild salmon runs, they would never put another gill net in the river... but it is not about that. As usual it is about the money of selling salmon.. not feeding your family...
Post by: blacktail luv on November 03, 2011, 11:58:42 AM
Post by: spookgus on November 03, 2011, 02:04:31 PM
My avatar is a picture of my kids with some of their steelhead from the White Salmon.
Post by: Naches Nightmare on November 23, 2011, 01:19:07 PM