Post by: Machias on October 31, 2011, 12:18:30 PM
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Post by: Machias on October 31, 2011, 12:29:49 PM
Post by: runamuk on October 31, 2011, 12:31:21 PM
I would think a bear bait on property that is on both sides of the state lines would be perfectly legal as long as the bait was in say Idaho....really kinda a loophole I think only a few people might use to their advantage :dunno:.... if the baits on the Idaho side and the hunting is happening on the WA side could be an issue if law enforcement wanted to make it one is my best guess
Post by: Tony on October 31, 2011, 12:34:55 PM
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Post by: jmx369 on October 31, 2011, 12:49:23 PM
:twocents:
Post by: Machias on October 31, 2011, 12:54:00 PM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on October 31, 2011, 01:04:13 PM
Deer hunting in Idaho with Washington bait and bear hunting in Washington with Idaho bait. :yike: It's all so confusing.... :P
Post by: Machias on October 31, 2011, 01:29:14 PM
Post by: Helix on October 31, 2011, 03:06:35 PM
Post by: Machias on October 31, 2011, 09:34:21 PM
If you tag with an ID tag, you should not have shot it in WA... Transporting untagged big game across state lines would probably get you in more trouble than the bait.
Absolutely, that would be a no brainer. :tup:
Post by: Hornseeker on November 01, 2011, 01:22:56 PM
Post by: Machias on November 01, 2011, 01:26:11 PM
There is only one way to know for sure... you'd have to call the local gamie... I cant hardly see HOW they could ticket you!
I have a call in.....err e-mail in. :tup:
Post by: saylean on November 03, 2011, 01:56:19 PM
Post by: bucklucky on November 03, 2011, 02:01:50 PM
Post by: woodswalker on November 03, 2011, 02:07:20 PM
Post by: Machias on November 03, 2011, 04:07:49 PM
I have two conflicting answers from the WDFW, one that said no it's not illegal because the RCW covers the placement of bait and the RCW only covers land within the borders of WA and one who said it was illegal because it's still bear hunting over/near bait. I have a minor problem with the one who said it was illegal being she is the same lady who gave out all the bad advice/information last year on the night hunting coyote issues. BUT she may be right in this particular instance. I'm wondering how they would legally collect evidence and proceed in court. Can a WA Game Warden cross into another jurisdiction? I imagine that they can, but I wonder what the process is like. I thought it was an interesting topic, one that I was contemplating while sitting on my bear bait in ID. :)
Post by: Colville on November 03, 2011, 04:33:30 PM
Personally, I don't think the location of the bait is what makes for "illegal baiting". The use of bait, regardless of where you place that bait, to attract and kill a bear is the crime. You've committed all of the elements of the crime in WA. You placed the bait, you hunted the bear, and killed the bear approaching the bait. Putting the bait in ID doesn't change the facts. You killed a bear that you baited and did it in WA.
It's not an ethics issue because baiting is neither ethical or unethical. It's regulated in some places and not others. Idahoans aren't unethical because they allow baiting. We aren't "ethical" because we disallow it. However, it is illegal and I don't think you'll have much chance winning in court. You placed the bait, attracted the bear, killed the bear. Pretty sure you're gonna be DTR.
Lastly, if you don't get the rule admoninition in writing, it's not worth the time you spent on the phone. Jane said..... is worth far less than a cup a coffee at court.
The RCW: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245)
Post by: Machias on November 03, 2011, 04:50:40 PM
Playing with fire.
Lastly, if you don't get the rule admoninition in writing, it's not worth the time you spent on the phone. Jane said..... is worth far less than a cup a coffee at court.
The RCW: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245)
Agreed, I'm not advocating or saying I would do it. Just thought it was an interesting conversation! I would not risk my hunting privleges here in WA, It was something I was curious about and wanted everyone elses opinion....like the Title stated. :tup:
Post by: Colville on November 03, 2011, 05:02:42 PM
Post by: uplandhunter870 on November 03, 2011, 05:51:16 PM
ive ran into a gamie on one day and all that transpired was "you got your paperwork?" "yessir" "have a good day" and then run into the same gamie two days later and he obviously had an appendage slammed in a door and thought i was going to get a cavity search all so he could make sure i was legal.
its a crap shoot, if you like playing dice go for it. i for one suck at dice games so no thanks
Post by: Machias on November 03, 2011, 08:50:53 PM
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Post by: Curly on November 04, 2011, 08:49:21 AM
Not sure there is a bear big enough to warrent the risk, stress and hassle. Seems if there are bear in the area they could be had without the potential drama.
I don't know.......that was a very large bear that Machias posted up on trail cam pic a while back. :)
It is a very interesting topic for sure. Personally, I think it should be legal since you are not baiting in WA.......but I can see a warden writing a ticket and seeing what a judge's opinion is on the matter. I suppose the best person to ask would be the warden for the area and see what he would do if he checked you........... :dunno:
Post by: bucklucky on November 04, 2011, 09:01:49 AM
Now throw this in , what if that said bear ended up being shot in washington and then ran over the border and died , now what? I bet that would further complicate things, I could see a big $hit storm happening then.
Post by: Machias on November 04, 2011, 10:38:10 AM
It would not be worth trying it out, even if you were able to beat it, it would cost you alot of time and money, just not worth the hassle or the damage it could do.
I am going to a wolf trapping class tomorrow in Couer d' Alene. I'm going to ask the same question to them about baiting deer and elk, which is not allowed in ID.
Post by: bow4elk on November 04, 2011, 11:14:58 AM
Having said that, I'm vehemently opposed to Washington's bear baiting law - it was emotionally concieved and is utterly pointless! :twocents:
Post by: Machias on November 04, 2011, 01:18:37 PM
Post by: 6x6in6 on November 04, 2011, 01:34:56 PM
Legally, the bait is another state. Unless their is some form of "reciprocal" agreement out there, I think it boils down to state lines, where it was shot and ultimately where it's final resting place would be.
Ethics is a separate can of worms that I would not like to wander into in this instance.
Post by: bucklucky on November 04, 2011, 04:21:21 PM
Post by: Machias on November 04, 2011, 09:19:17 PM
Post by: couesbitten on November 20, 2011, 08:41:32 AM
So I'm hunting in WA, and I shoot a bear that is traveling to ID to feed on a bait station. I have no control over where said bear is traveling. Weather I'm aware of the bait or not, it's legal in the state it's located in. How would the Warden even be aware of said bait?
I don't think you'd be flagrantly breaking the law, but you'd definately be squeezing through a loophole.
Post by: mtman on December 01, 2011, 07:24:45 PM
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