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Big Game Hunting => Deer Hunting => Topic started by: Skyvalhunter on November 30, 2011, 05:48:28 AM
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Did anyone see the picture of that supposed 42" buck taken either by a Native American(politically correct) on the Colville res or by a Colville Native American?
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No, where did you hear about it?
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Yeah I did, its impressive. I may have the pic on my phone still.
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:yike: Would love to see that one :yike: 42
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Looks like i deleted it, i was told it had a 35" spread though.
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Here is the pic I got.
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I have a picture of the 35" buck. I'll send it to my email and upload it in abit. ;)
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Daaaaaaaamn
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Never mind you guys have the same pic... :tup:
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very nice buck! But I don't see 42 :dunno: nice buck just the same though
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Yup same buck i had sent to me on my phone.
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Awesome Buck! Would love to put tape to those.
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Holy shnikees! Great buck!
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Wow, I bet hes is the happiest man of the year!
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I heared it was killed near Omak. :dunno: I got the same pic.
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Wow, I bet hes is the happiest man of the year!
He probably killed two bigger last year and will get a few more this year
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congrats to the hunter! :tup:
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Thats actually my buddys dad and its only 37 :chuckle: wasnt killed near omak and pretty sure it was his firs buck this year benhuntin.
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AWESOME!!! good for him!
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More like 32"
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More like 32"
36 and 3/4s if you want to get technical
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GREAT buck! :tup:
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Awesome Buck!!!
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I do not care how wide it is because its a hog ....... and its definately bigger than 32 .... :tup: one happy Indian :tup:
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30-40" who cares, its a pig! :drool:
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I hope that buck made lots of babies.....good genes there.
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WOW! :tup: to the hunter!
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bet alot of firewater was drank that day!
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Thats actually my buddys dad and its only 37 :chuckle: wasnt killed near omak and pretty sure it was his firs buck this year benhuntin.
And that would be Shanes Dad?
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talk about a perfect typical framed buck, wow
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Holy big buck batman...who knew we had any like that here :dunno:
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Holy big buck batman...who knew we had any like that here :dunno:
Evidently the guy in the pic....lol
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One nice buck, congrats.
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I saw this buck in person. It's all of 30, but I think 37 is pushing it. But like others have said, WHO CARES! What a stud!
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any scores on that bad boy, what a great frame.
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It;s a nice buck no matter the width or who shot it looks like a dream buck to me.
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That buck is 31" and grosses 184-185".
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That buck is 31" and grosses 184-185".
Did you measure it?
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Right from the picture.... :chuckle:
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ok. it litterally is 36 3/4 tip to tip
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as long as those beams don't exceed 25", I'm still okay :chuckle:
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Awesome Buck! :tup:
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awesome buck :tup:
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I hate to be the jerk but he probebly had a great hunt did a good job and all that, but every time i see a native american with a nice animal the first think i think is whatever, i could do the same thing if i could hunt all the time with whatever weapon i wanted.
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every time i see a native american with a nice animal the first think i think is whatever, i could do the same thing if i could hunt all the time with whatever weapon i wanted.
Well then remove the chip from your shoulder. Hunting isn't a competition. No one's bragging about this animal being reflective of how good of a hunter this guy is.
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:yeah:
if someone draws a late buck tag and shoots a monster it doesnt mean he's better than anyone else he just had the oppertunity others dont.
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Too many people bitch about too many things..................that's the way it is .
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Great buck no matter where it was killed in this state, no matter who killed it.......Oh yea.....bucks like that can be found off the reservation to the north as well...... :tup:
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NICE BUCK
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Great buck no matter where it was killed in this state, no matter who killed it.......Oh yea.....bucks like that can be found off the reservation to the north as well...... :tup:
A friend of mine shot a monster near Curlew. I don't have the picture, but any of us would VERY happy to have shot his deer.
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Congrats to the hunter and since he's Colville it means he used his tag that his Tribe issued. The Colville Tribe has a good Game Management System and I applaud them for that.
Nice buck regardless.
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Great buck..... :tup:
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I would agree that Colville does a great job on game management. Good for them in producing some great animals. If fish and game did the same this is what you would be hunting all over.
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Dandy buck :drool:
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I hate to be the jerk but he probebly had a great hunt did a good job and all that, but every time i see a native american with a nice animal the first think i think is whatever, i could do the same thing if i could hunt all the time with whatever weapon i wanted.
You can! :tup: Get a Mutli Season tag. Why doesn't have to be a Native thing? Did you say the same about the Governors tag guys? :cryriver:
Congrats to the Hunter!
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I don't care who got him. It's a pig we all hope is out there, and now we can see they are.
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WoW!!! :drool:
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WOW :drool:
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I hate to be the jerk but he probebly had a great hunt did a good job and all that, but every time i see a native american with a nice animal the first think i think is whatever, i could do the same thing if i could hunt all the time with whatever weapon i wanted.
You can! :tup: Get a Mutli Season tag. Why doesn't have to be a Native thing? Did you say the same about the Governors tag guys? :cryriver:
Congrats to the Hunter!
yes i would say it about governors tag too, if i had the money to buy any tag in the state to shoot whatever with whatever it would be pretty easy
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I hope he doesn't mind that his pic was posted. Posting pics on a public site without permission doesn't sit well with me. :twocents:
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I'd say 35 inches. My dad has a 31 inch on the wall. That definetly doesnt kook in 40s
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I hate to be the jerk but he probebly had a great hunt did a good job and all that, but every time i see a native american with a nice animal the first think i think is whatever, i could do the same thing if i could hunt all the time with whatever weapon i wanted.
You can! :tup: Get a Mutli Season tag. Why doesn't have to be a Native thing? Did you say the same about the Governors tag guys? :cryriver:
Congrats to the Hunter!
yes i would say it about governors tag too, if i had the money to buy any tag in the state to shoot whatever with whatever it would be pretty easy
Why are you bashing on this guy. A lot of these guys do a lot of scouting hang trail cams and do a lot of work to get these deer. I have a guess where he got this buck and I know if it is the same area there are some huge bucks there but you have to work for them. I say congrats to the guy it is a monster for sure.
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:yeah:
Congrats to the hunter! :tup:
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if the tribes can always hunt when they want then someone tell me how they have deer like this ....Alot of huge animals come off the Collville Res...so some of the comments I read just have me wondering :dunno: :bdid:
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He might of worked for it, but must of gotten it pretty close to the road. :chuckle:
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yEAH THAT I agree with :chuckle: I might not of got out of the truck :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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colville has one of the best management plans in the state as far as trible hunting goes
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Congrats to the hunter and since he's Colville it means he used his tag that his Tribe issued. The Colville Tribe has a good Game Management System and I applaud them for that.
Nice buck regardless.
Are you assuming this, or do you know this as fact?
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What a great buck, congrats to the hunter.... :tup: :tup: :tup:
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Congrats to the hunter and since he's Colville it means he used his tag that his Tribe issued. The Colville Tribe has a good Game Management System and I applaud them for that.
Nice buck regardless.
Are you assuming this, or do you know this as fact?
I'm assuming he's a colville member because he looks native and the title says colville tribal buck.
Do I know for sure who or what he is ? No. I have an in-law who's colville and I know from him they have a permit system and they stick to it very good from what he said. I've
Reviewed their regs and seen and held and read what there permits say and entail so from what he's told me and I've read yes, their system is good in my opinion.
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Congrats to the hunter and since he's Colville it means he used his tag that his Tribe issued. The Colville Tribe has a good Game Management System and I applaud them for that.
Nice buck regardless.
Are you assuming this, or do you know this as fact?
I'm assuming he's a colville member because he looks native and the title says colville tribal buck.
Do I know for sure who or what he is ? No. I have an in-law who's colville and I know from him they have a permit system and they stick to it very good from what he said. I've
Reviewed their regs and seen and held and read what there permits say and entail so from what he's told me and I've read yes, their system is good in my opinion.
:yeah:
I have personally seen some toads on the Colville reservation. Most of the tribes do a good job managing there game. The Makah's have some of the biggest Roosevelt bulls I've seen on the rez.
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Congrats to the hunter and since he's Colville it means he used his tag that his Tribe issued. The Colville Tribe has a good Game Management System and I applaud them for that.
Nice buck regardless.
Are you assuming this, or do you know this as fact?
I'm assuming he's a colville member because he looks native and the title says colville tribal buck.
Do I know for sure who or what he is ? No. I have an in-law who's colville and I know from him they have a permit system and they stick to it very good from what he said. I've
Reviewed their regs and seen and held and read what there permits say and entail so from what he's told me and I've read yes, their system is good in my opinion.
Hopefully he did harvest this great buck thru legal means.
If I assume anyone is tribal or anything about a tribal member I get my chops busted.
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Two bucks a day per member from July through November. 6 tags per member on the north half. Not sure how good that management is. Also, last I recall, their deer numbers were way down, and primarily bears were to blame.
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Wow! Heck of a buck. Congrats to the hunter!
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The Colville Rez has some monsters.
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Two bucks a day per member from July through November. 6 tags per member on the north half. Not sure how good that management is. Also, last I recall, their deer numbers were way down, and primarily bears were to blame.
Its great managment because hardly anybody hunts these deer. And deer numbers are down everywhere, not just on the rez.
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That's a mighty fine buck. :tup:
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What a TOAD! Great buck :tup:
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I am not sure that I would call what the tribe does "good managment", but the fact that they don't have that many hunters in relation to the amount of land, that there is some great habitat up there on the rez, and that if you are one of the guys that is willing to get out and work for your deer easily makes up for their deer-per-hunter harvest.
Truth is that there are mule deer living in there that rarely (if ever) see a hunter puts age class on them, and that they harvest a lot of does so the buck-to-doe ratio is pretty high.
All the politics aside, that's a great buck, and I'll bet it was harvested by a guy that puts in his time in the woods. :tup:
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Beautiful buck! There are a lot more bucks of that quality on that rez than you might think. Just sayin'. ;)
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I don't think you can credit management for this buck. :twocents:
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awesome buck! on the other hand it pisses me of that people are assuming everything when they have little information on this animal or kill, give the guy some credit. :twocents:
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I don't think you can credit management for this buck. :twocents:
:dunno: explane?
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Two bucks a day per member from July through November. 6 tags per member on the north half. Not sure how good that management is. Also, last I recall, their deer numbers were way down, and primarily bears were to blame.
It is actually 2 bucks per day per tribal member from June 1 till Sept 30Th, then starting Oct 1- Dec 31 its 2 deer a day per tribal member, as Doe season opens up on Oct 1. That is for the South half of the reservation, which is actual tribal land. As far as the North Half goes, the ceded land, you are not allowed 6 tags per year, you are allowed 3 tags per year per tribal member. Nearly half if not more of these tags never get filled because there is no need to drive clear to the North Half and hunt when big bucks and more deer in general live way closer, also the tribe issued a recommendation that due to low observed white tail deer fawn recruitment following extreme winter conditions from 2007 to 2009, after a 2010 aerial surveying they recommended to not harvest white tail deer our of any of the north half, and to also avoid shooting white tail doe's throughout hunting season. I am not going to argue with you about management practices, if this deer was shot anywhere else, by anyone else we would not even be having this conversation in the first place. Deer numbers are not nearly as low on the reservation as they are elsewhere in the state, and the fact that there is already over 18 inches of snow in the high country around the reservation, and its just now Dec 1st has a lot more to do with low deer numbers, than the harvesting of these animals. This has been one of the more mild starts to winter we have had in the last 3 to 4 years, and that as you should know, since you seem to know a lot about deer management it sounds like, has a very negative impact on the deer herd as a whole. I personally know the guy that shot this deer, and he puts in the foot work for his kills, he dedicates a lot of time to being in the woods, and defiantly earned this buck, just like anyone else that hunts hard.
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I don't think you can credit management for this buck. :twocents:
Really? And do you care to explain how you cannot credit their Big Game Management. They have a good permit system and from what I know from my in-law they are very stringent on it. Also from what I've learned from speaking with some Tribal Members from there at various meetings throughout the State they are very much involved in reporting and monitoring of harvested game due to their permit system.
They take a very proactive role in monitoring it and from what i've listened to, heard and read it sounds like it is working wonders for them. :tup:
Sorry Meat, I started to type and then noticed you posted your comments and very well stated indeed. Again, they have a good established game system and enforce it pretty good from what I'm told.
All I can say is congrats to the hunter and this is one of the reasons (not the main reason for those of you that know) why I won't post any pics of any harvested animals on here (even though I've only harvest one animal this year and that's fine with me).
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I don't know where you came across the negativity, but I was just stating what I believed the tribal limits were. Thanks for clearing up the seasons. They are actually longer than I thought. Don't remember muleys going through December, but I guess that's changed. As for T, congrats to him on a great buck. I was just hoping that his permission was granted to post his pic on a public forum.
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""This has been one of the more mild starts to winter we have had in the last 3 to 4 years, and that as you should know, since you seem to know a lot about deer management it sounds like, has a very negative impact on the deer herd as a whole.""
You've got me lost here. I always thought severe early starts pushed the deer down lower and upped the hunter success rates, made winter grazing more difficult, was detrimental to fawn survival, and allowed predators to concentrate on smaller areas to target deer............ :dunno:
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Congrats to the hunter on taking a great buck.
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I don't think you can credit management for this buck. :twocents:
Really? And do you care to explain how you cannot credit their Big Game Management. They have a good permit system and from what I know from my in-law they are very stringent on it. Also from what I've learned from speaking with some Tribal Members from there at various meetings throughout the State they are very much involved in reporting and monitoring of harvested game due to their permit system.
They take a very proactive role in monitoring it and from what i've listened to, heard and read it sounds like it is working wonders for them. :tup:
Sorry Meat, I started to type and then noticed you posted your comments and very well stated indeed. Again, they have a good established game system and enforce it pretty good from what I'm told.
All I can say is congrats to the hunter and this is one of the reasons (not the main reason for those of you that know) why I won't post any pics of any harvested animals on here (even though I've only harvest one animal this year and that's fine with me).
Seriously, how is a two bucks per day (or does part of the time) season that goes from June through December providing the "good" management that led to this buck. :dunno: I'm crediting this buck to great genetics, and living in a secure spot.
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he puts in the foot work for his kills, he dedicates a lot of time to being in the woods, and defiantly earned this buck, just like anyone else that hunts hard.
and his hard work payed off! awesome deer! :tup:
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That's a damn nice buck for sure, good job to the hunter. And to get it close enough to a road to load it up whole, bonus! I know some people that have taken some very nice bucks right off heavy traffic roads this year, blacktail though, not mulies. Them things know how to hide when they want to.
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I don't know where you came across the negativity, but I was just stating what I believed the tribal limits were. Thanks for clearing up the seasons. They are actually longer than I thought. Don't remember muleys going through December, but I guess that's changed. As for T, congrats to him on a great buck. I was just hoping that his permission was granted to post his pic on a public forum.
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""This has been one of the more mild starts to winter we have had in the last 3 to 4 years, and that as you should know, since you seem to know a lot about deer management it sounds like, has a very negative impact on the deer herd as a whole.""
You've got me lost here. I always thought severe early starts pushed the deer down lower and upped the hunter success rates, made winter grazing more difficult, was detrimental to fawn survival, and allowed predators to concentrate on smaller areas to target deer............ :dunno:
Oh ya i am not saying that the early start of winter is not a good thing for hunting by any means at all, i should have been more clear with what i was stating, i was trying to get my point across that we have had a few severe winters in a row, and that is what is hurting the deer numbers, i was just saying we already got a lot of snow up high and its still early, by jan and feb deer herds are going to be hard pressed to find an ample amount of food, on top of being extremely pressured by predators
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I don't think you can credit management for this buck. :twocents:
Really? And do you care to explain how you cannot credit their Big Game Management. They have a good permit system and from what I know from my in-law they are very stringent on it. Also from what I've learned from speaking with some Tribal Members from there at various meetings throughout the State they are very much involved in reporting and monitoring of harvested game due to their permit system.
They take a very proactive role in monitoring it and from what i've listened to, heard and read it sounds like it is working wonders for them. :tup:
Sorry Meat, I started to type and then noticed you posted your comments and very well stated indeed. Again, they have a good established game system and enforce it pretty good from what I'm told.
All I can say is congrats to the hunter and this is one of the reasons (not the main reason for those of you that know) why I won't post any pics of any harvested animals on here (even though I've only harvest one animal this year and that's fine with me).
Seriously, how is a two bucks per day (or does part of the time) season that goes from June through December providing the "good" management that led to this buck. :dunno: I'm crediting this buck to great genetics, and living in a secure spot.
In states other than WA you can kill multiple deer a year, and on top of that in some states you can continue to buy tags until they are sold out, and furthermore there are states where you may have to shoot 4 to 6 doe's to even earn your buck tag. Just because you can shoot two deer per day for the season does not mean that every tribal member is going out and slaughtering 2 deer every single day. You have to have room to store the meat, and 2 to 3 deer per entire season is more than plenty for must hunters. There are laws set in place and enforced just like state regulations that prevent wasting game animals, this keeps people from strictly going out and horn hunting when they do not need the meat. I am not saying that this buck got as big as he did strictly because of management by any means, there obviously has to be the genetics present on top of a good diet with plenty of minerals to grow a buck of this caliber, but to think that good management practices do not account for part of it is just plain ignorance, its not like this is the only big buck on the reservation, and to be quite honest he is not the biggest buck on the reservation by any means at all. you have to accredit at least some of that to good management practices
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As others have stated many times here why should anybody complain if this deer was taken on the Rez? In previous threads many forum members said they didn't give a @%#% what happens on the Rez and yet IF this buck was harvested on the Rez why worry?
The Colville Tribes Game Management is very good in my opinion and very detailed. If there was one like this here then every body would have very little to complain about. Yes, their regs say 2 deer per day, no possession limit but that is in reference to the South Half (Their Rez) not the North Half. Is that correct Meat?
I believe it states for the North Half (Ceded Land) any deer, tags are required, max. 2 per day, maximum 3 per year (It's a little more detailed per deer species so I just generalized), it says in big letters, "North Half Season Bag Limit for Deer: 3 deer for the entire season, inclusive of all hunts".
Elk in the North and South Half regardless of sex, tag is required and maximum 1 elk per year.
They also have established bow and rifle seasons for the South and North Half. I skimmed their regs during the summer from my in-law but now I think I'm going to look into it even more in case there are any other questions about it.
It's a lot more detailed but again, generalizing it and like I stated already from what I've been told from their Tribal Members it's working great for them so again, good game management system. :tup:
Oh and I think it's online as well on their website if anybody wants to read it for themselves, colvilletribes.com
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It's easier to trash them than acknowledge that what they're doing might be working.
If this buck came from MT, everyone would be falling over praising their deer mgmt. Yet in MT, you can shoot multiple does per year. At one point, you could shoot 6 mule deer does per year in some districts. Right now you can't after several hard winter/spring combinations.
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There is and always has been, monster mulies on the North Half.....some damn nice whitetails and elk as well. And the Colville mgt of this area has been fair. And they have kept some areas free of roads as well which has produced some trophy areas. Simply put, the area has good genes, and because of its remoteness, doesn't get overhunted.
I know personally of a 1/2 dozen 200+ mule deer that have been taken out of there, most of them were 10+ years ago though.
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Supposedly a big whitetail was taken in the same area.
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I don't think you can credit management for this buck. :twocents:
Really? And do you care to explain how you cannot credit their Big Game Management. They have a good permit system and from what I know from my in-law they are very stringent on it. Also from what I've learned from speaking with some Tribal Members from there at various meetings throughout the State they are very much involved in reporting and monitoring of harvested game due to their permit system.
They take a very proactive role in monitoring it and from what i've listened to, heard and read it sounds like it is working wonders for them. :tup:
Sorry Meat, I started to type and then noticed you posted your comments and very well stated indeed. Again, they have a good established game system and enforce it pretty good from what I'm told.
All I can say is congrats to the hunter and this is one of the reasons (not the main reason for those of you that know) why I won't post any pics of any harvested animals on here (even though I've only harvest one animal this year and that's fine with me).
Seriously, how is a two bucks per day (or does part of the time) season that goes from June through December providing the "good" management that led to this buck. :dunno: I'm crediting this buck to great genetics, and living in a secure spot.
In states other than WA you can kill multiple deer a year, and on top of that in some states you can continue to buy tags until they are sold out, and furthermore there are states where you may have to shoot 4 to 6 doe's to even earn your buck tag. Just because you can shoot two deer per day for the season does not mean that every tribal member is going out and slaughtering 2 deer every single day. You have to have room to store the meat, and 2 to 3 deer per entire season is more than plenty for must hunters. There are laws set in place and enforced just like state regulations that prevent wasting game animals, this keeps people from strictly going out and horn hunting when they do not need the meat. I am not saying that this buck got as big as he did strictly because of management by any means, there obviously has to be the genetics present on top of a good diet with plenty of minerals to grow a buck of this caliber, but to think that good management practices do not account for part of it is just plain ignorance, its not like this is the only big buck on the reservation, and to be quite honest he is not the biggest buck on the reservation by any means at all. you have to accredit at least some of that to good management practices
You guys have some great genes and awesome country for muleys to get into that "huge" class. The two most important factors in my opinion. The tribal forest practices you guys are using are top-notch. That rez is turning into the nicest forest in the state. I wish our practices were 1/10 the quality of yours. This too, benefits the wildlife in my opinion. For your sake, I'd like to see a couple more areas like the Hell Gate areas that would be managed for trophy potential on a draw basis only for you guys. Also, a couple lotto tags for deer/turkey for the white man would add quite a chunk change for the tribe. Have it set up so you have to be accompanied by a tribal member. Money in both pockets then.
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Supposedly a big whitetail was taken in the same area.
ya it was taken in the same area, not actually all that far apart from each, that is actually father and son, and one of my good friends ive grown up with
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Supposedly a big whitetail was taken in the same area.
that's a bruiser wt! :tup:
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This is funny to me. I was just up in Okanogan for my late buck hunt and I met a guy in a bar that had all these pictures on his phone. I guess he knew the guy that had killed these deer and he had some other pictures of other monster bucks that had been taken as well. I say good for the hunters that shot them. A blind squirl finds a neut every now and again, but I think these bucks made the hunters work for them. No matter how they killed them they are great bucks and would look great on any wall.
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I don't think you can credit management for this buck. :twocents:
Really? And do you care to explain how you cannot credit their Big Game Management. They have a good permit system and from what I know from my in-law they are very stringent on it. Also from what I've learned from speaking with some Tribal Members from there at various meetings throughout the State they are very much involved in reporting and monitoring of harvested game due to their permit system.
They take a very proactive role in monitoring it and from what i've listened to, heard and read it sounds like it is working wonders for them. :tup:
Sorry Meat, I started to type and then noticed you posted your comments and very well stated indeed. Again, they have a good established game system and enforce it pretty good from what I'm told.
All I can say is congrats to the hunter and this is one of the reasons (not the main reason for those of you that know) why I won't post any pics of any harvested animals on here (even though I've only harvest one animal this year and that's fine with me).
Seriously, how is a two bucks per day (or does part of the time) season that goes from June through December providing the "good" management that led to this buck. :dunno: I'm crediting this buck to great genetics, and living in a secure spot.
Great genetics, sercure spot, and I'm assuming some homework is what I would credit for this buck but I know nothing about the hunter. Not management. I'm not saying their management is horrible, but I will credit genetics and habitat before management and seasons. :twocents:
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Supposedly a big whitetail was taken in the same area.
ya it was taken in the same area, not actually all that far apart from each, that is actually father and son, and one of my good friends ive grown up with
Now that's a honey hole :tup:
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Just cuz they are part of the Colville tribe does not mean they only hunt on the reservation. I had two tribal guys walk within 35 yards of my stand while I was in it. They went
over a ridge and started rattling. Kinda was hoping they would call me a buck!! This was the start of late bowseason this year and they were hunting with rifles. Talked to them that
night and they can actually hunt from the rez all the way to the Canadian border if they want to. Awesome for them. Not so awesome for bowhunters....
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Just cuz they are part of the Colville tribe does not mean they only hunt on the reservation. I had two tribal guys walk within 35 yards of my stand while I was in it. They went
over a ridge and started rattling. Kinda was hoping they would call me a buck!! This was the start of late bowseason this year and they were hunting with rifles. Talked to them that
night and they can actually hunt from the rez all the way to the Canadian border if they want to. Awesome for them. Not so awesome for bowhunters....
You are correct. It is called "The North Half".
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At one time, the reservation went to the Canadian border......then gold was discovered and the government had a change of heart......shoved them south. Same type of government, different time.