Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: logan on December 02, 2011, 04:52:13 PM
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I have never owned a brandnew gun so I've been out looking around to buy one. I have been looking at the remington 700 sendero and the savage longrange hunter. The remington is about 1100 and the savag 800, thats a big price difference is the remington worth the money or is the savage a better value.
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I'm just tagging this so I don't forget to read the replies. I'm curious what some of the experts will say. It seems like the Savage would be a great value.........I know that the Sendero is (or at least used to be) a great rifle and the 700 is the favorite action of most rifle builders and you can get tons of aftermarket parts for it.......
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The rems were a great rifle. Lately it seems that they've been getting sloppy. All the complaints against savage pretty much go out with that weapon. The stock is bedded and I don't think its ugly. I am convinced that nobody makes a good trigger from the factory so that's not even up for contention in my book. All in all I think the savage is the winner in value. The remington may match up and I'm sure there are people that will say that the remington is nicer, but loyalty and price snobs won't have much in the way of backing that up. It's a very personal decision though so I'd recommend trying out both if possible before buying. Long range guns should feel made for you IMHO.
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Just my experience. I have had a couple savages in 270 win and 204 ruger and both were great guns for the price. The 204 ruger was and is awesome. I recently bought a 7mm in a Remington 700 and it has been also good. I feel I got more gun with the savage such as the accutrigger and jeweled bolt. I personally like the accutrigger myself. As for building options Remington has a up on savage on the aftermarket side however if the right model is bought in savage you can do all the same mods. Money being equal I would by a savage providing you can buy the right model for you desires in the end. Last of all I enjoy both models and am happy for the money spent.
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I shoot both Rem and Savages and have customized both of them. They both shoot and both are reliable and fairly easy to work on, the Savage you can do just about everything yourself. The Rem needs a lathe to install new barrels although there are some Remage nutted barrels out there. To me the Rem looks a little classier, no nut or bolt release showing. I was shooting in a club match earlier this year I enterred four times, two different Sav and two different Rems, I ended up in a three way tie for first, me(Rem), myself(Sav), and another shooter and ended up in second on a coin toss. Which ever feels the best to you, as far as which will shoot the best I think it will be the Luck of the Draw.
AWS
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Savage makes great rifles, they are inherently accurate by virtue of their assembly. The barrel is threaded into the action on top of a guage and then the jam nut is tightened down, you end up with a consistently headspaced rifle, if the chambers are cut right (they are) you end up with consistently accurate rifles.
I'm not sure if wraithen has tried one yet or not but the accu-trigger is one of the better out of the box triggers around and inherently safe, it absolutely cannot go off accidentally as it requires the tang to be pressed in for the sear to release.
For aftermarket stuff there isn't as many options for the Savage, stocks for the most part.
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My opinion is this. If you are just a basic shooter/hunter then it really makes little difference because both in stock form will do just fine. Remington Sendero is a pretty good rifle as is the Savage LRPV model.
The Remington will come with it's new Mark Pro trigger that can easily be adjusted down to reasonable weight and even better with replacement springs.
The Savage LRPV will come with the Target Accutrigger that has an amazing left off of around 1.5# and is fully adjustable as well plus there are several other makes of triggers that will do a very good job if you prefer a different one.
The Stock on the Remington Sendero is an HS Precision stock which is a great stock but has a low comb to fit a variety of shooters. You can get the 700 Target model with adjustable comb stock if you want to step up to that expense.
Savage has a Law Enforcement model that comes in 308, 300WIN Mag and 338 Lapua, it also comes with an HS Precision stock with the high comb for cheek position and will do nicely for long range stuff.
When it comes to building on the rifle, the Savage may be the easiest to do anything with, mainly barrel swaps. You can get a basic center feed Savage, and swap out a new precision barrel and bolt head and change calibers from 243 Win. to 300 Win Mag in just a few minutes. Ya just can't do that with a Remington, but with the Savage, as long as you start with a long action model your option are almost endless. No need for a gunsmith to do your barrel work, all you need is a simple barrel nut wrench, and a barrel vise or wooden blocks to support the barrel while you loosen and remove the barrel nut.
There are a couple of companies making switch barrel setups for the Remington, but you either have to initially have a gunsmith remove the factory barrel or you will need to purchase specific tools to complete the task and then you can only stay within caliber choices of that particular bolt face.
Good luck on your decision.
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I have not tried the accutrigger. I do own a glock so the blade in the middle doesn't bother me. The way savage describes it just kinda put me off on the idea. From my understanding it is possible to bump the rifle and the rifle won't fire, but its basically relying on the safety to not go off. Rather have trigger not go off when bumped to the safety isn't the primary thing keeping the rifle from going off from a bump. Not that I see that as an excuse for bad handling habits.
On another note, if you really want a precision rifle why not just get a donor action or buy one from the mfg and slap the rest together yourself? It may end up a little more expensive in the end but you will probably be much happier with/proud of your rifle
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I only own a savage 116 in 270 win. Its a great gun, accurate, and cheap. I bought it for those reasons. I wanted a gun that was accurate and that could take a beating with out feeling to bad for how much I paid for it. Its done all of that. Having said that Im now looking into rem 700 cdl for my next elk gun. I think their gorgeous guns and like the feeling of there action a lot more. The action of the savage feels cheap, but it does get the job done. Some nice features of the savage are the twist brake, bedded stock (I dont care for the looks of it much) and its pretty dam light for a "long range" gun.
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Wraithen I test mine so hard I start to worry about the scope by slamming the cocked (empty) rifle's butt on the floor hard, the worst that happens is that the safety gets moved to the "ON" position from the inertia.
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I'm not badmouthing the trigger but I can't ever honestly say I'd pay the money for the accutrigger vs aftermarket if I were building a custom.
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Who cares what other people think, it's not like your building a custom. Go pick them both up, see which one you like, your the one shooting it. I know which I would buy but I'm not you. If you need convinced as to which one is better. Then the Savage is your speed, anything your going to point it at, at standard hunting ranges isn't going to care if it's a Savage or Remington.
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I'm not badmouthing the trigger but I can't ever honestly say I'd pay the money for the accutrigger vs aftermarket if I were building a custom.
You should definitely try on then! :P
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Here is a video on the Accutrigger if you are interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=MKY8EUp6qJc
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Savage all the way....I have always loved my savages and they have been some of the most accurate guns I've owned. It used to be an economical gun becuses they were not as pretty as others, but they are working hard on changing that stigma. I would buy a new savage over almost any other maker.
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I have both. Both work equally well. Both guns have lighter trigger pulls, 2.5-3 lbs. Both shoot very well. Both are equally priced with scopes, $ 1,000ish.
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I can seldom see a coyote at 500 yards let alone 1000. I can make the 300 yard shots consistentely but farther than that is LUCK. In normal field conditions. Coyotes are small targets. I just don't see the point of some fancy rifle my 223 or 243 tikka lite stainless are both deadly.
Carl
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If you were going to spend $1200, you could just about build a rem for that....$400 for a donor, $350 for a tube, $250-300 for a stock, $250-300 for smithing. A trigger and cerakote could add another $250-300.....but you would have a rifle that you know would shoot, it would be what you want and how you want it.
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you must not be buying @ kesselrings
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Savage all the way :tup: I own 3 Savages, and one stevens. Those 4 guns have never let me down. Wish I could say the same about my Remington.
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I have never had luck with savages, the ones I have been around have been junk. I am not a huge remington fan even though I own plenty. I would take remington over savage any day.
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If you're buying it brand new and it doesn't perform to standard then ship it out. Why not tikka? They have that nifty guarantee.
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you must not be buying @ kesselrings
or: www.lowpriceguns.com in Bellevue.
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If you're buying it brand new and it doesn't perform to standard then ship it out. Why not tikka? They have that nifty guarantee.
my remington 870 developed its issue when I tried to use it for duck hunting :bash: I find out from others on the web that the 870 had some issues :bash: :bash:
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you must not be buying @ kesselrings
or: www.lowpriceguns.com in Bellevue.
last time I was at kesselrings they didn't carry savage
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i've got an old remington and a newer remington as well as a few savage's. The old remington is better put together than the newere one which has fitting issues with the bolt handle. The older 700 shoots better as well despite not fitting me as well.
The savage's are great bang for the buck and have a whole slew of aftermarket parts which is probably only outdone by the remington aftermarket parts. The cool thing about the savages is that you can change calibers in your living room with about 35$ in hand tools and a new barrel. They are very accurate as well.
Savage FTW
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the 300 bucks you would save by buying the savage could go towards a very important part of the puzzle...... a scope.
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I went out again and looked and looked again and then looked some more but I still can't make up my minde. Now I high country got me thinking about biulding a coustom gun, i have the doner and the stock, what should I do? Guess it couldn't hurt to call a few gunsmiths up and get some quot, and thanks for everybody's help.
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heck, if your going custom you might as well go all the way. it can be cheapers since the smithing fees will be reduced.
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Logan, you haven't said where you are at. If you are near the Skagit valley PM me.
