Post by: Yelm hunter on December 04, 2011, 01:02:49 AM
Post by: PA BEN on December 04, 2011, 07:19:10 AM
Post by: akirkland on December 04, 2011, 08:28:32 AM
Post by: 400out on December 04, 2011, 09:37:40 AM
Happens to be right next to a rez. Just so happens the deer numbers on Ft. Lewis, bordering the rez are down. Coincidence? Doubt it! :bash:
Post by: dscubame on December 04, 2011, 09:39:44 AM
Post by: gotshot on December 04, 2011, 09:42:22 AM
Post by: longashes on December 04, 2011, 09:44:36 AM
Post by: 400out on December 04, 2011, 09:46:30 AM
Don't get me wrong I don't condone any illegal,unethical,ignorant actions but to have a simple thread turn into a 25 page bashing thread that gets nothing resovled! Except making the mods work on monitoring everything to see who gets the boot first! I think they would rather enjoy the site too! :sry: :twocents:
Post by: Hunterman on December 04, 2011, 10:03:36 AM
I think the mods should make a "I point fingers" section so I can avoid it all together! :chuckle:
:yeah: I'm sure getting sick and tired of all the "Indian Bashing" post..
May be the person who killed the animal in question could not make it back to recover the rest of said meat?? Maybe a death in the family, ,or maybe their child got hurt and had to be taken to the hospital..Anyone ever think of that?? Hell its easier to hope on the "BLAMR TRAIN"...
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: ICEMAN on December 04, 2011, 10:08:01 AM
Post by: KillBilly on December 04, 2011, 10:22:38 AM
Post by: high country on December 04, 2011, 10:39:08 AM
Post by: akirkland on December 04, 2011, 11:28:36 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 04, 2011, 12:01:08 PM
Let there be no confusion! I was 100% talking about illegal poaching by the Local tribe on Ft. Lewis. Although, i will admit ive never seen them shoot and kill an animal. I will admit to being in TA 20, hunting legally with a bow, and having gone through all the proper steps with the NAC on Ft. Lewis and having not one but two Native American men approach me with rifles. This happened in Dec of 09. They were wearing full camo with scoped rifles. Now call it what you want. I call it illegal poaching by two Native Americans! Yes. I reported the incodent. :bash: :bash: :bash:Good job for reporting the incident, poaching, tresspassing, etc.
but 2 offenders is still 2 offenders, no matter what race.
The main reason "Tribe bashing" occurs imo, is that they don't hide what they are doing, because there is little reason to.
The average poacher is a little more secretive, full camo, and rifles, probably would not see them. :twocents:
I do not support "sovereignty" within US borders, but do understand that it is a minority who get all the attention, and cannot blame them all.
Post by: Hi-Liter on December 04, 2011, 12:31:44 PM
Let there be no confusion! I was 100% talking about illegal poaching by the Local tribe on Ft. Lewis. Although, i will admit ive never seen them shoot and kill an animal. I will admit to being in TA 20, hunting legally with a bow, and having gone through all the proper steps with the NAC on Ft. Lewis and having not one but two Native American men approach me with rifles. This happened in Dec of 09. They were wearing full camo with scoped rifles. Now call it what you want. I call it illegal poaching by two Native Americans! Yes. I reported the incodent. :bash: :bash: :bash:Good job for reporting the incident, poaching, tresspassing, etc.
but 2 offenders is still 2 offenders, no matter what race.
The main reason "Tribe bashing" occurs imo, is that they don't hide what they are doing, because there is little reason to.
The average poacher is a little more secretive, full camo, and rifles, probably would not see them. :twocents:
I do not support "sovereignty" within US borders, but do understand that it is a minority who get all the attention, and cannot blame them all.
Here we go, someone will sure accuse you of being "racist."
I was last week.
I made a comment about indian plates on a truck and someone found my personal email and accused me of being racist. The email went on about how this will have a profound affect on my business. And would you represent racist people if they bashed in a indian truck?. It really pissed me off, because that was not what the thread was even about.
I think no matter who anyone is, its about conservation and following the rules/laws that we must abide by and pay for. Times are different then they were in the 19th Century. :twocents:
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 04, 2011, 03:15:31 PM
Let there be no confusion! I was 100% talking about illegal poaching by the Local tribe on Ft. Lewis. Although, i will admit ive never seen them shoot and kill an animal. I will admit to being in TA 20, hunting legally with a bow, and having gone through all the proper steps with the NAC on Ft. Lewis and having not one but two Native American men approach me with rifles. This happened in Dec of 09. They were wearing full camo with scoped rifles. Now call it what you want. I call it illegal poaching by two Native Americans! Yes. I reported the incodent. :bash: :bash: :bash:Good job for reporting the incident, poaching, tresspassing, etc.
but 2 offenders is still 2 offenders, no matter what race.
The main reason "Tribe bashing" occurs imo, is that they don't hide what they are doing, because there is little reason to.
The average poacher is a little more secretive, full camo, and rifles, probably would not see them. :twocents:
I do not support "sovereignty" within US borders, but do understand that it is a minority who get all the attention, and cannot blame them all.
Well then something is way off in this country, because last time I crunched the numbers.
If you are:
White
Work
Pay taxes
Never been to prison
Know who your father is
Then there is a fairly damn good chance, you are one of the minorities if you live within the US OF A.
I sure don't feel I'm getting any extra " Attention". :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: singleshot12 on December 04, 2011, 03:40:10 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 04, 2011, 05:14:09 PM
Just like the news, if it ain't bad news, they dont report it.
Post by: longknife on December 04, 2011, 05:21:21 PM
I think the mods should make a "I point fingers" section so I can avoid it all together! :chuckle:
Don't get me wrong I don't condone any illegal,unethical,ignorant actions but to have a simple thread turn into a 25 page bashing thread that gets nothing resovled! Except making the mods work on monitoring everything to see who gets the boot first! I think they would rather enjoy the site too! :sry: :twocents:
X2!!
Post by: gasman on December 04, 2011, 05:52:36 PM
And we found some serious rubs not far from where we found the quarters.
Post by: Hi-Liter on December 04, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Let there be no confusion! I was 100% talking about illegal poaching by the Local tribe on Ft. Lewis. Although, i will admit ive never seen them shoot and kill an animal. I will admit to being in TA 20, hunting legally with a bow, and having gone through all the proper steps with the NAC on Ft. Lewis and having not one but two Native American men approach me with rifles. This happened in Dec of 09. They were wearing full camo with scoped rifles. Now call it what you want. I call it illegal poaching by two Native Americans! Yes. I reported the incodent. :bash: :bash: :bash:Good job for reporting the incident, poaching, tresspassing, etc.
but 2 offenders is still 2 offenders, no matter what race.
The main reason "Tribe bashing" occurs imo, is that they don't hide what they are doing, because there is little reason to.
The average poacher is a little more secretive, full camo, and rifles, probably would not see them. :twocents:
I do not support "sovereignty" within US borders, but do understand that it is a minority who get all the attention, and cannot blame them all.
Well then something is way off in this country, because last time I crunched the numbers.
If you are:
White
Work
Pay taxes
Never been to prison
Know who your father is
Then there is a fairly damn good chance, you are one of the minorities if you live within the US OF A.
I sure don't feel I'm getting any extra " Attention". :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yeah:
Yep, and I don't want any attention :twocents:
Post by: Yelm hunter on December 04, 2011, 08:38:31 PM
It was NOT hit by a car or truck, it was not shot!!
IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD!! They have rope either wrapped around them or tied through them the was once hanging from a tree. They were stacked neatly there and the top one has been ate off of from coyotes and birds. GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF It's the first Road to your right past the tank crossing or 1st road to your left just past Southworth Elemantary School. Turn on the road and make a right and its on your right. There have never been any elk out here before on that road. I've lived out here for 28 years and have never seen one there.
Post by: Yelm hunter on December 04, 2011, 08:42:07 PM
Very possible it was a legal kill that wasn't taken care of properly. If someone took it home, hung it up and decided to finish skinning and cleaning the next morning then the meat may have gone bad so they took it out and dumped it. I know where this road is and it is used as a dump site quite often. I have also heard of many white folks out that way that poach on the military rez. There is one person that lives on Fir Tree road that talks about it all the time, but nogbody can catch him in the act. Whites are just as much outlaws as tribal folks are. :twocents:
At least one person knows exactly were I'm talking about....
Post by: akirkland on December 05, 2011, 06:34:56 AM
Post by: Yelm hunter on December 05, 2011, 07:52:26 AM
Im gonna be in TA 20 today. I will take a look. I know exactly where you are talking about.
Ya as soon as your turn off Hwy 510 as your going towards the Tank Crossing from Yelm. Make a left on to TA 20 and then make an immidate right and you will see them on the right just on the side of the road. Might want to use a mask they are pretty smelly!!
Post by: NaturalSelection on December 05, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
IF YOU READ MY POST...........The MILITARY RESERVATION!!! JBLM -- Joint Base Lewis McChord
It was NOT hit by a car or truck, it was not shot!!
IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD!! They have rope either wrapped around them or tied through them the was once hanging from a tree. They were stacked neatly there and the top one has been ate off of from coyotes and birds. GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF It's the first Road to your right past the tank crossing or 1st road to your left just past Southworth Elemantary School. Turn on the road and make a right and its on your right. There have never been any elk out here before on that road. I've lived out here for 28 years and have never seen one there.
I too have lived out there for a long time and went to high school in yelm. class of 2000. The farm I work at is on the rainier side of town that butts up to the fort and timber company properties that go behind the high school and over that way. The elk run around there. That small herd gets pushed from farm to farm to fort property and back around again. I know of two elk legally killed out of that "area" this year. If its just hind quarters laying there you don't know how it died so to scream that it was poached makes you sound a little wacko.... Or you know more than your telling
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2011, 08:42:21 AM
There could be a dead hunter who died packing the rest out. It could be poachers, and there are plenty of stupid white poachers out there. Lots of the "good ole boys" have little respect for our game or the laws. It could be one of the other reasons already stated.
Before you start bashing Indians or any other group, make sure you know what you're talking about.
Post by: Yelm hunter on December 05, 2011, 09:01:39 AM
1/4 mile from Southworth school on the left!! And I'm not saying anyone did anything. I'm saying I found 2 hind quarters. I'm pretty sure to what happened is someone was hanging them in there camp brought them home hung them in there garage to cut up and let them hang to long and they started spoiling. That's my best guess.
Post by: wraithen on December 05, 2011, 09:30:43 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2011, 09:31:34 AM
Post by: KillBilly on December 05, 2011, 09:44:46 AM
I hope your NOT talking about me bashing any Native Americans?? BECAUSE I'M NOT!! And I'm class of 2002 from Yelm as well. I know there are alot of elk out on the RAINIER side.... but not between Yelm/Nisqually!!:tup:
1/4 mile from Southworth school on the left!! And I'm not saying anyone did anything. I'm saying I found 2 hind quarters. I'm pretty sure to what happened is someone was hanging them in there camp brought them home hung them in there garage to cut up and let them hang to long and they started spoiling. That's my best guess.
Quote from: Killbilly
QuoteVery possible it was a legal kill that wasn't taken care of properly. If someone took it home, hung it up and decided to finish skinning and cleaning the next morning then the meat may have gone bad so they took it out and dumped it. I know where this road is and it is used as a dump site quite often.
Post by: Yelm hunter on December 05, 2011, 09:58:32 AM
Nope. You said nothing about the Indians.
Ok! I was going to say I didn't think so!! LOL
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2011, 09:59:10 AM
Nope. You said nothing about the Indians.
Ok! I was going to say I didn't think so!! LOL
Nice job reporting, by the way.
Post by: NaturalSelection on December 05, 2011, 10:15:11 AM
Post by: Hi-Liter on December 05, 2011, 10:18:07 AM
I don't know anyone on this website, so I cannot comment on what they are thinking or state on a thread.
But, good job reporting the elk quarter and yes it could be a number of different factors.
When the words "Indians" or "Natives" are mentioned someone always assumes the worst and they are a biggot or ignorant, which may not be the case at all.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, either way. :twocents:
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 05, 2011, 10:23:31 AM
To me it looks like there are two maybe three different issues on this thread. It seems that many will rush to judgment about why someone posted something on here. Its really hard to understand unless you sit down and physically talk to that person.
I don't know anyone on this website, so I cannot comment on what they are thinking or state on a thread.
But, good job reporting the elk quarter and yes it could be a number of different factors.
When the words "Indians" or "Natives" are mentioned someone always assumes the worst and they are a biggot or ignorant, which may not be the case at all.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, either way. :twocents:
You'll notice I said that those actions label someone as a bigot. I didn't say they were one. But, ignorant is certainly what you are when you jump to conclusions without specific facts being available.
Post by: Hi-Liter on December 05, 2011, 10:37:01 AM
To me it looks like there are two maybe three different issues on this thread. It seems that many will rush to judgment about why someone posted something on here. Its really hard to understand unless you sit down and physically talk to that person.
I don't know anyone on this website, so I cannot comment on what they are thinking or state on a thread.
But, good job reporting the elk quarter and yes it could be a number of different factors.
When the words "Indians" or "Natives" are mentioned someone always assumes the worst and they are a biggot or ignorant, which may not be the case at all.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, either way. :twocents:
You'll notice I said that those actions label someone as a bigot. I didn't say they were one. But, ignorant is certainly what you are when you jump to conclusions without specific facts being available.
Yes you are right.
I was just making a point because as you said, Ignorant people rush to judgment.
Post by: akirkland on December 05, 2011, 12:49:25 PM
Post by: gasman on December 05, 2011, 03:43:39 PM
I hate everyone equally :devil:
So I guess you can call me EOH (Equal Opertunity Hater)
:peep: :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep: :peep:
Post by: YoterHunter on December 05, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
Post by: NaturalSelection on December 05, 2011, 07:01:18 PM
Post by: losdaddy7 on December 05, 2011, 09:06:51 PM
I think the mods should make a "I point fingers" section so I can avoid it all together! :chuckle:
Don't get me wrong I don't condone any illegal,unethical,ignorant actions but to have a simple thread turn into a 25 page bashing thread that gets nothing resovled! Except making the mods work on monitoring everything to see who gets the boot first! I think they would rather enjoy the site too! :sry: :twocents:
:yeah:
Post by: Elkrunner on December 07, 2011, 10:58:27 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 07, 2011, 11:01:17 AM
Did anyone think about calling the game department so they could figure it out? If there truly was some criminal activity, it may be nice to report it.
Yes, it was already posted that it was reported.
Post by: Yelm hunter on December 07, 2011, 11:32:33 AM
Post by: Elkrunner on December 07, 2011, 11:33:43 AM
Post by: logger on December 07, 2011, 04:54:02 PM
Post by: Yelm hunter on December 07, 2011, 11:00:41 PM
Post by: akirkland on December 08, 2011, 06:37:10 AM
Post by: YoterHunter on December 08, 2011, 04:11:42 PM
Post by: logger on December 08, 2011, 04:47:06 PM