Post by: recon321 on December 08, 2011, 06:54:41 AM
Post by: JColony on December 08, 2011, 06:57:18 AM
Post by: 400out on December 08, 2011, 07:00:04 AM
Post by: longstevo on December 08, 2011, 07:04:24 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 08, 2011, 07:31:03 AM
Also you might try to pick your shots a little more carefully. Just think of a muzzleloader as extending your bow range slightly. I wouldn't take shots at running deer unless they're well under 50 yards.
Post by: nailbender on December 08, 2011, 08:16:32 AM
First, if you're going to be hunting with a muzzleloader, you need to get your terminology right- it's a cap, not a primer. I have not had an issue with the cap being stuck to the nipple after firing, and I've used three different muzzleloaders. Often I have had debris from the cap on or in the nipple, but not the entire cap "welded" to the nipple. The only thing I would suggest is to try using less powder and/or a different powder.gezz... Give the guy a break! Primmer / cap. Tomatoe / tomato. Maybe the deer that were running was within feet not yards. I didn't see the guy mention a word of distance.
Also you might try to pick your shots a little more carefully. Just think of a muzzleloader as extending your bow range slightly. I wouldn't take shots at running deer unless they're well under 50 yards.
Post by: 400out on December 08, 2011, 08:20:56 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 08, 2011, 09:05:03 AM
First, if you're going to be hunting with a muzzleloader, you need to get your terminology right- it's a cap, not a primer. I have not had an issue with the cap being stuck to the nipple after firing, and I've used three different muzzleloaders. Often I have had debris from the cap on or in the nipple, but not the entire cap "welded" to the nipple. The only thing I would suggest is to try using less powder and/or a different powder.gezz... Give the guy a break! Primmer / cap. Tomatoe / tomato. Maybe the deer that were running was within feet not yards. I didn't see the guy mention a word of distance.
Also you might try to pick your shots a little more carefully. Just think of a muzzleloader as extending your bow range slightly. I wouldn't take shots at running deer unless they're well under 50 yards.
Well he said he "needed to practice his range estimation" so that made me think all the shots he took were at a distance and not up close. If you're taking long shots with a muzzleloader, everything needs to be perfect. It also sounds as if he attempted shots at several bucks, all of which were running except one. I don't know, just came across as irresponsible shooting to me, and I could see that happening with someone who's new to muzzleloaders, especially with all the talk you hear about shooting deer at 150 to 200 yards with a muzzleloader.
My perception of his post very well could be wrong and if so, I'm sure he will let me know, and that's fine. As far as the terms primer and cap, to me they're not interchangeable. I will always correct someone if they call it a primer, because it's not.
Post by: BENCHLEG on December 08, 2011, 07:47:58 PM
Post by: jrebel on December 08, 2011, 08:17:30 PM
To answer your question.... I use 110 grains loose pyrodex, musket caps, and 325 grain shock waves and I am sighted in dead on at 100 yards. I use a williams peep with front red glow post. I place point of impact at 100 yards on top of the post. Point of impact at 150 is in center of post and at 185 is at bottom of post. I will not shoot over 100 yards unless I have a good broadside shot with great rest..usually my by or tri-pod.
Good luck to you and just remember open sights are difficult for most to get use to when taking quick shots. You need to practice a lot and get shouldering your firearm and sight picture down to muscle memory. Otherwise you will not be consistantly accurate. Next time you are at the range practice quick off hand shots at close range and then move back to longer ranges to find out what your effective range is for quick off hand shots.
Post by: top pin1 on December 08, 2011, 08:33:08 PM
If you shooting at running animal and you have a 1/4 second longer delay for it to go off where are you going to have to aim to hit it? Remeber that its not like a rifle and goes off the mili second you pull the trigger.
I wouldnt shoot at a running animal unless it was a follow up shot.
Top
Post by: scudmaster on December 08, 2011, 08:55:03 PM
For moving targets, Muzzleloaders are slow and have the delay of the ignition system, I would think there might be a good chance you missed behind, not over. The lead at 50 yards would be 12-18 inches for a person at fast walking speed. For a deer probably a three foot lead with a muzzeloader.
As for shooting high there are two thoughts on that. Next time you are at the range, very carefully try and fire your cold/clean bore shot and see where it goes it may be a few inches high.
If it is overly high, you may need to use 777 or other non-corrosive powder and fire a fouling shot before loading your hunting load. Another issue to consider especially if you have a notch rear sight in lower light, under stress, and as shooters vision deteriorates with age, they tend to raise the front sight higher in the sight picture to see it better, leading to unintentional high rounds. A rear peep sight can help with that.
For the cap issue, you can try a musket nipple, as the caps fit looser and give you more flame. Let us know if you figure it out.
Scud
Post by: recon321 on December 09, 2011, 06:19:08 AM
Post by: Camo on December 09, 2011, 08:26:44 PM
As for shooting over the top, I am 3" high @ 100 also, that is pretty much the top of the curve. Might hit 3.25" in the arc somewhere, but that's as high as it shoots. Puts me dead on at 150 which is the extreme distance for me assuming a perfect shot opportunity. But that is all dependant on load and bullet weight.
Post by: Lcl 66 Tinner on December 10, 2011, 08:58:59 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 13, 2011, 11:46:56 PM
Post by: elkboy on December 20, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
Good luck to you! Since you're an archer, perhaps you can try the same tactics that got you close to calm deer in the past.
Post by: BENCHLEG on December 22, 2011, 10:38:01 PM
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