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Big Game Hunting => Other Big Game => Topic started by: Rufous on July 14, 2008, 06:31:30 PM
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My brother and I drew the Huckleberry Moose tag after putting in for something like 13 years (not just that unit but for moose in general). We are so excited! We have never been in that area so I would love some help from those of you who have hunted it before or know the area and where the moose hang out. We intend to hunt hard to make the most of this once in a lifetime tag and hope to take mature bulls but obviously we have no idea what a good representative bull would look like for that area. Any help there would be great too. Thanks, Brian.
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Congtats to you and your brother. Moose hunting will now be in your blood. My brother drew the same tag last year and it was a lot of fun. I will start getting the maps back out send some info your way.
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Ok, you guys will have a great time. Take a look north and south of springdale-hunters road and along the Huckleberry
Range divide during prime times. When you are south of the springdale-hunters road be carefull not to be on the Spokane Res.
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Bearmartin, should we focus our efforts north or south of the Springdale-Hunters road and east or west of the mountain range? Would it be possible for me to talk to your brother? If so please send me a PM with his phone number. Thanks, Brian.
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Bearmartin, should we focus our efforts north or south of the Springdale-Hunters road and east or west of the mountain range? Would it be possible for me to talk to your brother? If so please send me a PM with his phone number. Thanks, Brian.
Both north and south of springdale-hunters and both east and west of the divide will put you in good moose ground. Be prepared to walk, there are a lot of gated roads. Talk to the people you see, all the firewood cutters we ran into were helpfull.
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I met a guy this weekend and he drew the Huckleberry Range moose tag the first year it was an option which was in 2002. Back then only 2 tags were issued. He took this bull on his third day of hunting. It was aged at 10 years old. Nice bull. He said it missed the books by not much. He did not remember its score or width. It has a broken tine as you can see. Brian.
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MOOSE HUNTING IN EASTERN WASHINGTON
The moose in northeast Washington are Shiras Moose (Alces alces shirasi), which is the smallest of the four subspecies of moose in North America. Shiras Moose are named after George Shiras III, an ardent conservationist, explorer, and U.S. Congressman in the early 1900’s. This subspecies is native to the northern Rocky Mountains and apparently migrated on its own accord into eastern Pend Oreille County, Washington in the 1950’s. The first official state documentation of moose in Washington occurred in 1954. In the decades since moose have dramatically increased both in numbers and distribution and are now common throughout much of northeast Washington.
Hunters should take note that while moose are fairly common, they are by nature a solitary animal, and occur only individually or in small groups scattered over wide areas. They tend to prefer habitats based on forest successional stage and local climatic conditions. While they can be found at any elevation in northeast Washington, they are most likely found in the 3,000 to 5,000 foot elevation band. In the fall they seek deciduous browse, primarily willow, serviceberry, ceanothus, and other shrubs in logged over areas or burns that are approximately 15 years old or older. Moose are particularly drawn to north slopes or east flowing drainages, which are cool and moist. Late fall and early winter snowfall does not seem to deter moose in any way.
Moose rut in early October and some hunters have been effective with calls. Early in the season moose are widespread and snow is usually not present for tracking. This is a good time to learn the country and glass logged over areas. Access is good and many hunters take moose in October. Usually by some time in November snow is common and locating moose tracks as well as seeing these dark animals against a white background of snow becomes much easier. Early to mid-November is a good time to plan a moose hunt. By late November there is frequently deep enough snow to be concerned about having only limited road access into moose range
Huckleberry Range – GMU 121 and GMU 124 West of Hwy 395
Good areas to hunt in the Huckleberry Range are the mountains extending north and south of the Springdale - Hunters Pass off the Springdale - Hunters Highway. The east side of the pass has the majority of the moose habitat especially the headwaters of the forks of Chimokane Creek and Deer Creek. Moose sightings are also common east of the Fruitland area with access to the mountains through the Fruitland Valley or up the “O-Ra-Pak-En” Creek drainage. The other primary moose area in the Huckleberry Unit is southwest of Loon Lake. This range of hills is referred to as the Five Sisters and extends south to Scoup Mountain. There is a good moose population in the mountains here but automobile access is difficult due to gated roads. Boise Cascade Corporation owns much of the forestland in this area. Washington Department of Natural Resources (DNR) maps are recommended.
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Sent a PM
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I went up for some scouting this weekend. I saw 4 moose. One was a young cow, probably about 1 year old. Saw her on Saturday. Then today I saw a decent bull (hard to know how much more antler he will grow in the next month or so) and then later a cow and baby calf. It was my first time up there and was a good trip. I learned a bunch of the roads and found out where some of the clear cuts were. I got photos of the yearling cow and the bull. As close as they were it has me thinking that I might be able to take a moose with my Ruger 45 Colt revolver. If not I will use my 300 Win Mag. Brian.
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Very cool Rufous, thanks for letting us follow your pre-hunt. :rockin:
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Thanks for posting a report, I am anxious to get out there and do some looking around.
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Congrats to you and your bro on an awesome tag!!! Super jealous. If you're into the books, be sure to look at the B&C score sheet to see how moose are scored. It has nothing to do with the number of points up top, and everything to do with width and length. As I recall, the fronts need to fork to get counted in the length. It makes a HUGE difference! Obviously the size (wide and length) of the palms is big, but it seems to me that a lot of WA bulls (e.g. that one pictured above) don't get the branch in front and wind up missing book because of it.
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Looks like he's starting to fork already. Where do you find the B&C book info?
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Couldn't find the actual B&C sheet on that site, but here's the P&Y sheet, which should be the same.
http://www.pope-young.org/pdfs/ScoreSheets/moose_r6-2008.pdf
I'm certainly no expert on scoring, so others should feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. But note that the palm length is measured from "dips between points at the top to dips between points at the bottom", meaning you need two points on the bottom (and therefore a "dip") to measure down that far.
Also note that you don't get credit for length of points...you just get a +1 for each point. Hence why the bulk of the score comes from the width and length of the palms.
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Thanks for the update :hello: It just keeps getting better the closer we get to Oct. 1st!
I just got good news from a friend of my brothers, He inherited 40 acres last year from his mom and dad after they were killed in Africa on a motorcycle trip(No drivers ed over there!) hit by a bus! Anyway the property is 10 minutes east of Fruitland, right in the heart of Moose country, he said we can set up our base camp there and we won't have to worry about having our stuff disappear while out hunting. I will get some pics when we get over there for a scout trip!
Getting pumped!
Jason
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WAcoueshunter tou are correct about the score as you can see in the picture of the bull that was killed on this thread there was only one brow tine which killed it for score if it has a single brow then the measurement stops where the brow tine leaves the main beam. So anyone hunting moose watch out for that single brow tine could be the differences for a book bull or just a nice bull. Most of the time you will lose at least 6 to 10 points or more in deductions if the bull has a double brow one one side and a single on the other or up to 15 to 20 if the bull only has two single brow tines so shoot for a double brow tine on each side. hope this helps if you want to talk moose give me a call I can help you out names Brian 509-998-0268.
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I am planning to go up again this weekend to do some more scouting for moose in my hunt area. Wish me luck, Brian.
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Good luck and lets see some pics of some big bulls when you get back.
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I had a really good trip. In total I saw 10 bull moose and 4 cows. I also learned the roads better and learned which roads to avoid. I almost got stuck a couple times way back in where no one would likely have found me. It was scary! Sadly none of my photos turned out. Looking forward to moose season, Brian.
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We can't wait to read about it. Thanks for the update.
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Well lets hear about those bulls you found, were they good size or smaller bulls? It is killing me that the season is just over two weeks away, I am dying to get out there and see some big bulls. Were they rutting with the cows yet?
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The first bull I saw was Friday night a bit after sunset. I was driving out a road looking for a place to park (I was planning on sleeping in the back of my truck). I came around a corner and looked up into the clearcut above the road and saw a massive black shape. I got the binocular focused on it and verified that it was a bull. It was only about 200 yards away but it was getting quite dark and it was hard to tell how big it was. Looked like a better than average one though. It just stayed there for quite a while as I got set up to fix dinner. Then the next morning I glassed across a big canyon and saw the biggest bull of the two scouting trips. He was with a cow but it was a long ways off and it was 630 in the morning so still not very light out. Again hard to tell how big he really was but it was obvious to me that he was a nice one. Then a couple hours later that morning I saw two more bulls very near eachother and they were both small, one of them especially. Today I saw two small bulls together and two other bulls together one of which was quite small and the other looked pretty good. Two other bulls I saw today were by themselves. One of those was so so and the other looked better than average but he was behind some brush and I never got a really good look at him. So only one that really impressed me of the ten bulls I saw. I did not hear any cows moaning. One of the small bulls this morning made some grunts when I got close to try to photograph him. Brian.
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So does their droppings look like elk droppings? I was off Hunters-Springdale a few weeks ago. I saw a whitetail buck, but no moose or elk. I'm wondering if what I saw and thought was elk sign was actually moose... anybody?
:dunno:
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What a great excuse to get more pics of my kid on here. Thanks Bean Counter. Here is my little one learning about moose poop.
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This was after she helped me scare away a Tom this spring by banging the striker against the pot. Then she tried using the striker like her coyote calls, but that didn't work either. Oh well, it is a great memory to file away.
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For you 49 and Huckleberry boys, I will be up there early next week talking to the bus drivers and will let you know if I get some good leads. Ridgerunner. I haven't seen anything on Mica that tops that Cheney bull yet, but I will keep on looking.
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RUFOUS,
I HAVE BEEN UP IN AREA SCOUTING EVERY WEEKEND AND HAVE ONLY SEEN COWS AND ONE SPIKE BULL. I HAVE BEEN SEEING MORE ELK THAN MOOSE. WE HAVE CONCENTRATED AROUND WAITS LAKE AND DEER CREEK UP TO RED MARBLE MNT. I KNOW THEY ARE THERE SOMEWHERE. WE DID GET 2 NICE WHITETAIL BUCKS WITH OUR BOWS WHILE SCOUTING SO IT HASNT BEEN FOR NOT.
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Does anyone have Rufous phone #, I have a line on a good Huckleberry Bull!!!! PM me with his # ASAP :drool:
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Got a hold of him :IBCOOL:
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Thanks PABEN for the tip. I talked to your friend. He did not have the guys phone number with him. He will talk to the landowner tomorrow. Hopefully I will hear from the landowner tomorrow before I leave so I can figure out where his property is on my computer mapping software. I am heading for Spokane tomorrow and will stay the night with a friend. That friend and I will go up Wednesday morning to start my moose hunt. I need to be back in Walla Walla on Sunday so that I can be ready for making wine on Monday when we start our grape harvest. Then it will be the usual 80+ hours/week for several weeks. Brian. Cell phone 509-520-2612.
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Go gettem Brian!!!
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Well gang I finally have a moment to post a photo and quick write up of my hunt. Through this forum I heard of a monster moose and was taken into the area by a local fellow on Tuesday evening just hours before the opener. He showed where to glass from and where he had seen the monster bull. I went back into Spokane to hook up with my friend who was going to join me on the hunt. He had a Bible study at his house that evening so we had to wait to go to camp on opening day. We got into the area at about 10 and found Finnman and his entourage at the exact same spot we had planned to glass from. We were rather shocked to say the least. A huge unit to hunt in and only 8 tags given out and two of us are after the same bull. We hunted that area Wednesday and half of Thursday and after seeing no really big bulls (though we were confident they were there it was just too thick to really see much) I decided to go hunt the area I had done most of my scouting. So we broke camp and headed for my other area. We drove around some, checking spots where I had seen moose previously to no avail and then set up camp. Friday morning my buddy and I split up and he saw a cow with two calves but the fog prevented me from really being able to glass the clearcut I was set up on. After the fog cleared I spotted a smallish bull from a long ways off. We drove around to where he was last seen but could not find him. We drove the roads more that day and still hunted through a bedding area that I had seen a bull on my first scouting trip but again did not see any moose. We ended up spending Friday evening back at the clearcut where I had seen the small bull in the morning. Late Friday evening I saw an even smaller bull at about 700 yards away. I moved in his direction as I could hear bull grunts. I did some cow calling and heard more grunting and brush breaking. I saw the small bull coming in to my calling which was exciting. Another bull was also grunting but neither committed and came all the way. I think they got my sent as they were below me and the thermals were going downhill at that late hour. It rained hard and blew hard Friday night and Saturday morning. My tent was flapping in the wind most of the night and it was hard to sleep with all the noise of that going on. We had to be back in Spokane as my friend had a prior engagment planned of some other friends coming to visit and as I had to be back to work Monday morning to start the grape harvest at the winery I was feeling some pressure to fill my tag. I knew that I might be able to go back in mid November with my brother who also drew the Huckleberry tag with me but I was not certain that my boss would let me go again after harvest and even if he did I knew it would be a big undertaking to kill two moose in one week when my brother is able to go in mid November. So when I saw the bull I took I decided he was good enough and got it done. We were driving down a road near camp which cut through a clearcut. It was rainy and a bit foggy but we stopped to glass and up at the top of the cut I saw this bull with a cow. I got the spotting scope on him and decided to take him. He was 490 yards away so I got prone with my bipod and put my 500 yard aim point (I have a Leupold 3.5-10 with the Boone and Crockett reticle) on his chest and fired. He was obviously hit and he ran toward us downhill but he was quickly obscured by the brush. We headed up the hill toward where we last saw him but could not find him. There was no blood as it was rainy. I decided to go back to where I had shot from and direct my friend to where the bull was at the shot but as I was going back down through the cut my buddy found the dead bull. The Barnes 180 TSX from my 300 Win Mag did the job. Even though it was not the biggest bull it was certainly the biggest bodied animal I had ever walked up on. It seemed huge. It took us 8 hours to get all the meat and the cape and head back to the truck. What a day. We made it back to Spokane in time and I am now back in Walla Walla with the meat in a cooler. It was a good hunt and I am happy with my decisions. I am also happy that Finnman's wife was able to connect on such a great bull. I have never been that much of a trophy hunter and got somewhat carried away in the planning stages. When I found that I was racing another hunter to the glassing spot for the monster bull it just took the glamour out of trophy hunting for me. I was much happier off in no man's land hunting on my own. Here is a pic of me and the bull.
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Nice work Rufous !!
That is a respectable bull in my book, Lots of great eating that's for sure !!!
Nice Job !!
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AWESOME man! Congrats I bet you're stoked! I'm sure jealous of all you moose hunters! Never appreciated meat like I do now at college! haha
Michael
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Congrats rufous. You'll be eating for a long time...
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Good bull man!!!! Love the story ;)
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Congrats Rufous!
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Congrats :brew: That will be some great eating for sure!
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:drool: That sounds like an awesome time. Hes a great looking bull.
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Very Nice!!!
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Great job Brian!!!!
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Congrats on your bull.
Sage
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Congrats on the bull !
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Great lookin' bull!
CONGRATS!!!!
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Good job, this moose hunting is a bunch of fun.
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:drool: sweet
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:tup: well done
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Nice job Brian! I am glad you got it done before Sunday! And with a great bull! Congrats!
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Congrats.
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Congrats!
Good eats right there! :drool:
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Congrats on your bull. Is your brother still looking for his?
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congrats rufous...another bull down.
waiting to hear about your brother's hunt too.
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I can attest that moose tenderloin is mighty tasty!!! My moose had 6 points on the right and 8 on the left and it had a 31" spread. The front legs weighed 85 and 93# (one of them had more neck meat attached) and the rear legs weighed 86 and 89#. The weights were with no hide of course and the lower leg removed. The combined weight of the legs was 353# which is more than most really big black bears total live weight. Pretty impressive. I also had 80# of meat from the backstrap, tenderloin, heart and scrap. My wife and I will be in some great meat for a while.
My brother will not start his moose hunt until November 17th. So I will be looking for some help from you locals as to the snow conditions when it gets closer as well as whether or not the moose have transitioned to lower country.
Thanks so much to all of you for the help, advice, tips and general support. It was a really fun hunt, starting with the news of the draw to the scouting and then the actual hunt. Brian.
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Congratulations! Nice Moose!
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Congratulations. Nice Job. Thanks for sharing your story! I really enjoyed it.
Mark
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Sounds like you made on heck of a nice shoot. Good luck with the harvest!
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Congratulations! Ain't this moose huntin FUN?! I am hooked so bad I have already made plans to go to Alaska next fall with a buddy who's brother guides up there! Now I can't wait till next season and this ones not over yet.
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Congratulations
Looks like the freezer will be full for a while :EAT:
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I picked up my moose meat tonight from the butcher. I ended up with (not counting the heart or tenderloins which I did not take to the butcher):
155# of burger
25# of breakfast sausage
43# of Round Steak
14# of Sirloin/Sirloin Tip steak
21# in roasts
20# of Backstrap steak
7# of shoulder steaks
Total of 285#. I took 410# to the butcher. That was the four legs with bone in but lower leg bone removed and of course hide removed (which came to 353# for the 4 legs) and then 57# of scrap meat. It is hard to imagine that the leg bones and waste meat weighed 125#. The meat hung for several days so I would guess there would be some drying out losses. Does anyone think I ended up with too little meat? Thanks, Brian.
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Awesome Moose 8)
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I am not sure why so many people think this is a problem. My dad was a butcher for many years and says you almost always lose 50-60 percent of total body weight by the time you are finished with cutting (especially with boneless meat). I have been with him on some jobs he does for friends and in beef and pork I saw it happen. After they were shot and bled out we weighed. Gutted and skinned weighed again and lost roughly 28% of total weight. After 12 days weighed again lost like 9 pounds from drying, then butchered. It was done all boneless and final weight was about 44% of total weight from the start. So he lost a total of 56% of the animals body weight and that was the only animal he cut that day so there was no mixing up of the meat. Mixing up of the meat may happen but not very common. I did the math and you only lost 31% in bone weight which I think is accurate.
Brandon
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My brother Ethan and I are back from his moose hunt. We left Walla Walla on Sunday the 16th and drove up to Springdale then headed west toward the pass and south before crossing over the pass to set up camp. Here is a photo of the view from camp.
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Here is another photo of the sunrise we woke up to the first morning.
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We cruised the roads on Monday and ended up seeing 6 moose, the last one was in the road in the dark on the way back to camp but we could not tell if it was a bull or cow. For sure we saw two bulls, both of which only had one antler. The bigger one was really nice, almost should have shot it. Here is a photo of one of the cows we saw. She was just on the other side of the Indian Reservation Boundary and so was safe.
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Tuesday my good buddy Mike drove up to join us. He left Walla Walla at 2am and arrived at 6am. He had never seen a moose and said that he hoped he would not jinx us. Tuesday we saw no moose. That stinker jinxed us. Wednesday we decided to try the Scoop Mtn area and when we got up in there to "The Glassing Spot" that Finnman knows we saw a bull up above us. My brother wanted this bull and could have taken it at 430 yards if he would have used my rifle but he had recently worked up a load with his 30-'06 and wanted to use his own rifle so we tried to put a stalk on it. My buddy was stoked because he finally got to see a moose and a bull moose at that. Ethan and I headed up the hill and I got him within 75 yards but he did not see it as his glasses were fogged up and he could not hear me telling him to shoot the bull because he had his ear plugs in. It was a rather frustrating effort but we just pressed on after that bull gave us the slip. Then we drove over to the Empey Mtn area and cruised the roads. Mike decided to head home as he needed to be back to work on Thursday. Ethan and I then headed over the pass and south of the pass up a drainage. We saw and heard several moose including a couple bulls but it was getting quite dark and the bulls were not offering up a shot in the brush. Some of the cows must not have been bred yet as they were moaning and the bulls were grunting. You hunters probably already know where we planned on hunting Thursday morning.
So we get up early Thursday and head for the drainage seemingly full of moose. We got back to where we had seen them the previous evening and sure enough before long we can hear a bull grunting. Eventually he comes into view and my brother decides to take him. It was a younger bull but he was quite happy to take it as he was mostly interested in getting some prime eating meat. The bull was only 163 yards away and was across the drainage from us at about the same level. My brother got down on his butt and used his Kramer Snipepod to sent the 180 Nosler Accubond on its way. We cronographed the load the previous week during his late season whitetail doe hunt (he took a doe) at 2650 fps. Anyway the bull was quartering towards us and Ethan put the bullet between the bulls neck and onside shoulder. The bullet passed through the vitals and broke the offside ribs just behind the offside elbow, lodging against the hide. He stepped forward a few steps and I told Ethan to hit him again so he shot the bull in the neck. I saw the bullet impact the neck as I watched through my binocular. The bull went down immediately and that was the end of it. That bullet exited. Here are a couple shots of Ethan with his 2008 Huckleberry Range moose.
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And here is photo of my 150# brother with a 108# load of pack and moose head.
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It was not far from the moose to the road but it was a steep climb at the last up to the road. I wish I had my camera handy when Ethan hauled out the head. I had to push and pull him up the slope there at the end at when we were a few feet from the road I gave him a mighty push which got him up on the road but he stumbled and went down flat on his chest. He said, "I have fallen and can't get up". It was rather hilarious.
His bull was a bit smaller in weight than mine. My bull's legs and scrap meat amounted to 420# while Ethan's amounted to 370#. All in all it was a great hunt for my bull and for my brothers. Thanks to all who offered advice on places to hunt. Brian.
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Great moose :o
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Congrats on getting it done again with another nice bull.
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Nice bull. The look on your brothers face tells it all. :chuckle: What I don't understand how ed he keep his panits so clean????? I was blood from head to toe :chuckle:
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CINGRATULATIONS!!!!!!
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Congrates to your brother, fine moose. ;) Thanks for the story.
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Congrats, maybe one of these days I will pull a tag :)
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Good pictures, but they don't show the weather change that we had that day. I finally checked the site to see if you guys had posted your pics. I think if your brother had any blood on his pants the snow or wet brush would have washed some of it off. Yes, I was the one in the other red truck that day if you were wondering. Congrats and I can't wait for the day that I get drawn.